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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 02:00 PM
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Chevy Volt snags 230 mpg city EPA rating!


http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-13746_7-10307349-48.html


For the last few weeks, we've been seeing a mysterious teaser ad all over the web. The ad simply displayed the number 230 (the "0" represented by a smiling electrical outlet) and a date. Well today's the day and the secret is revealed. The number 230 is significant because the Chevrolet Volt plug-in series hybrid has received an EPA estimated 230 city miles per gallon.

If that number sounds a little high to you, remember that for about the first 40 miles of driving on a full charge, the Volt uses no fuel. And once the batteries are low on juice, the gasoline generator kicks in to sustain the charge, not to motivate the vehicle--as is the case in parallel and two-mode hybrid.

The EPA has had to completely rethink its fuel economy standard for extended-range EVs like the Volt. For the Volt, that drafted number is based on combined electric only driving and charge sustaining mode with the gasoline generator running, although how much driving of each mode is still under wraps. The new draft works in GM's favor as the automaker now has bragging rights the the first ever triple digit fuel economy rating.

In addition to new fuel economy numbers, the new EPA stickers may also feature electric efficiency ratings. The Volt will consume 25 kW/hours per 100 miles.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 02:07 PM
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1. 40 miles, gas-free range. Maybe.
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 02:13 PM
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3. 12,000 mile per year (average for US) divided by 365 = 32.9 miles a day.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 02:10 PM
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2. How exciting!
I want this to be our next car!

And yes, I know it costs $40K. I'm willing to save up for this car.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 02:16 PM
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4. what a crap car. This is the best that GM can come up with?
The Nissan Leaf, debuting next year, gets 165 miles between charges and is completely electric. The Tesla sports car, built by a little Silicon Valley company, gets 250 miles per charge, and is completely electric. GM blows.
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 02:34 PM
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6. It's not an electric car, Mister Irritable...eom
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JackintheGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 02:35 PM
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7. The Tesla also costs $100,000
Where can I get mine...what with my huge graduate student stipend sitting in the bank?

Seriously, I love the Tesla and have been following them for a few years now. And I am happy to see that they will be offering a sedan (model S) for only 50K...in three years time. Ah, well. No schmancy electric car for me, I guess. Unless the Nissan really pans out.
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 03:59 PM
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9. The Leaf is promising 160 kilometers, not 160 miles.
160 kilometers is approx. 100 miles.

I'm actually leaning towards an all-electric car like the Leaf or Tesla, but I commend GM for creating the Volt It will definitely fill a niche and start to wean people off of petroleum.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 09:53 PM
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13. Which is why I can't buy an all electric car. I have to drive farther than that to mom's house.
:)

And then a slightly longer trip the next day up to my bro's to see my little niece and nephews. They really need to get one that goes farther.

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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 11:16 PM
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16. I think you're about 5 years away
From market entry for some really revolutionary battery chemistry that will radically alter the way people think of this. The technology below is patented and in the development pipeline. It should deliver 800-1000 miles per charge in a battery pack of the same weight as now delivers 100 miles.

http://news-service.stanford.edu/news/2008/january9/nanowire-010908.html?view=print
Stanford Report, December 18, 2007
Nanowire battery can hold 10 times the charge of existing lithium-ion battery

BY DAN STOBER
Courtesy Nature Nanotechnology silicon nanowires

Photos taken by a scanning electron microscope of silicon nanowires before (left) and after (right) absorbing lithium. Both photos were taken at the same magnification. The work is described in “High-performance lithium battery anodes using silicon nanowires,” published online Dec. 16 in Nature Nanotechnology.

Stanford researchers have found a way to use silicon nanowires to reinvent the rechargeable lithium-ion batteries that power laptops, iPods, video cameras, cell phones, and countless other devices.

The new technology, developed through research led by Yi Cui, assistant professor of materials science and engineering, produces 10 times the amount of electricity of existing lithium-ion, known as Li-ion, batteries. A laptop that now runs on battery for two hours could operate for 20 hours, a boon to ocean-hopping business travelers.

"It's not a small improvement," Cui said. "It's a revolutionary development."

The breakthrough is described in a paper, "High-performance lithium battery anodes using silicon nanowires," published online Dec. 16 in Nature Nanotechnology, written by Cui, his graduate chemistry student Candace Chan and five others.

The greatly expanded storage capacity could make Li-ion batteries attractive to electric car manufacturers. Cui suggested that they could also be used in homes or offices to store electricity generated by rooftop solar panels.

"Given the mature infrastructure behind silicon, this new technology can be pushed to real life quickly," Cui said.

The electrical storage capacity of a Li-ion battery is limited by how much lithium can be held in the battery's anode, which is typically made of carbon. Silicon has a much higher capacity than carbon, but also has a drawback.

Silicon placed in a battery swells as it absorbs positively charged lithium atoms during charging, then shrinks during use (i.e., when playing your iPod) as the lithium is drawn out of the silicon. This expand/shrink cycle typically causes the silicon (often in the form of particles or a thin film) to pulverize, degrading the performance of the battery.

Cui's battery gets around this problem with nanotechnology. The lithium is stored in a forest of tiny silicon nanowires, each with a diameter one-thousandth the thickness of a sheet of paper. The nanowires inflate four times their normal size as they soak up lithium. But, unlike other silicon shapes, they do not fracture.

Research on silicon in batteries began three decades ago. Chan explained: "The people kind of gave up on it because the capacity wasn't high enough and the cycle life wasn't good enough. And it was just because of the shape they were using. It was just too big, and they couldn't undergo the volume changes."

Then, along came silicon nanowires. "We just kind of put them together," Chan said.

For their experiments, Chan grew the nanowires on a stainless steel substrate, providing an excellent electrical connection. "It was a fantastic moment when Candace told me it was working," Cui said.

Cui said that a patent application has been filed. He is considering formation of a company or an agreement with a battery manufacturer. Manufacturing the nanowire batteries would require "one or two different steps, but the process can certainly be scaled up," he added. "It's a well understood process."

Also contributing to the paper in Nature Nanotechnology were Halin Peng and Robert A. Huggins of Materials Science and Engineering at Stanford, Gao Liu of Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, and Kevin McIlwrath and Xiao Feng Zhang of the electron microscope division of Hitachi High Technologies in Pleasanton, Calif.




And the abstract from the Journal article.

Nature Nanotechnology 3, 31 - 35 (2008)
Published online: 16 December 2007 | doi:10.1038/nnano.2007.411
Subject Category: Electronic properties and devices

High-performance lithium battery anodes using silicon nanowires
Candace K. Chan1, Hailin Peng2, Gao Liu3, Kevin McIlwrath4, Xiao Feng Zhang4, Robert A. Huggins2 & Yi Cui2

Abstract
There is great interest in developing rechargeable lithium batteries with higher energy capacity and longer cycle life for applications in portable electronic devices, electric vehicles and implantable medical devices1. Silicon is an attractive anode material for lithium batteries because it has a low discharge potential and the highest known theoretical charge capacity (4,200 mAh g-1; ref. 2). Although this is more than ten times higher than existing graphite anodes and much larger than various nitride and oxide materials3, 4, silicon anodes have limited applications5 because silicon's volume changes by 400% upon insertion and extraction of lithium which results in pulverization and capacity fading2. Here, we show that silicon nanowire battery electrodes circumvent these issues as they can accommodate large strain without pulverization, provide good electronic contact and conduction, and display short lithium insertion distances. We achieved the theoretical charge capacity for silicon anodes and maintained a discharge capacity close to 75% of this maximum, with little fading during cycling.

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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 11:18 PM
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17. Thanks for the info! n/t
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 10:20 PM
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15. Uranus Hertz
:rofl:
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 02:24 PM
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5. It's 25 kWh, not kW/h. nt
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 02:55 PM
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8. Dup!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=115&topic_id=204753&mesg_id=204753
FWIW: I don't believe the EPA has officially given the "Volt" this rating; GM has simply done the calculations. (So, your headline is a bit misleading…)
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 09:51 PM
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12. Yes, that's what I think but it's all CNN. That's what they wrote and nowhere do they
mention that it's not official from the EPA. Hm... wonder why?

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Rainngirl Donating Member (86 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 04:09 PM
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10. That would be great, but...
They're going to have to make it a heckuva lot cheaper than the expected $40,000!
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 09:48 PM
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11. What I read this morning was that the EPA has yet to test it. That rating is based on
internal GM tests ran according to EPA standards. I think the actual EPA has yet to verify that rating, but maybe their results were released sometime today after what I read.

Still, anything close to that is fantastic. I'm curious how long it takes to charge back up. I read that it will be able to go 300 miles and you can charge it by plugging it into a regular outlet.

Problem with it is it has a price tag of $40,000 so after you add options and pay taxes it's going to run $50,000 so not very many people will be able to afford it and it may not be worth it monetarily. I'll still buy my Prius when it comes in since it's a LOT less than that.

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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 09:57 PM
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14. GM didn't snag shit
and your exclamation point just makes their discredited claim look sillier :D
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