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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 08:20 PM
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3,146 earth scientists around the world overwhelmingly agree-
Scientists agree human-induced global warming is real



While the harsh winter pounding many areas of North America and Europe seemingly contradicts the fact that global warming continues unabated, a new survey finds consensus among scientists about the reality of climate change and its likely cause. A group of 3,146 earth scientists surveyed around the world overwhelmingly agree that in the past 200-plus years, mean global temperatures have been rising, and that human activity is a significant contributing factor in changing mean global temperatures.

Peter Doran, University of Illinois at Chicago associate professor of earth and environmental sciences, along with former graduate student Maggie Kendall Zimmerman, conducted the survey late last year.

The findings appear today in the publication Eos, Transactions, American Geophysical Union.

In trying to overcome criticism of earlier attempts to gauge the view of earth scientists on global warming and the human impact factor, Doran and Kendall Zimmerman sought the opinion of the most complete list of earth scientists they could find, contacting more than 10,200 experts around the world listed in the 2007 edition of the American Geological Institute's Directory of Geoscience Departments.

Experts in academia and government research centers were e-mailed invitations to participate in the on-line poll conducted by the website questionpro.com. Only those invited could participate and computer IP addresses of participants were recorded and used to prevent repeat voting. Questions used were reviewed by a polling expert who checked for bias in phrasing, such as suggesting an answer by the way a question was worded. The nine-question survey was short, taking just a few minutes to complete.

Two questions were key: have mean global temperatures risen compared to pre-1800s levels, and has human activity been a significant factor in changing mean global temperatures.

About 90 percent of the scientists agreed with the first question and 82 percent the second.

http://esciencenews.com/articles/2009/01/19/survey.scie...



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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 08:24 PM
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1. But how many are named Steve? n/t
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JeffR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 08:25 PM
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2. That can't be right.
I distinctly recall hearing a cadre of Bush Administration spokespeople and "independent" talking heads telling me for years that "there is no scientific consensus on global warming."

They couldn't have been lying. Could they?

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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 08:38 PM
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3. Global warming is VERY REAL.
What those right wingers do not realize is that it is NOT like Santa Claus where you can choose whether or not to believe in it.

Then again, right wingers do not believe in evolution and, maybe not so oddly enough, they haven't evolved yet. So, more study may be necessary to find out whether they don't believe because they haven't evolved yet, and therefore haven't seen the evidence firsthand. Or are they just refusing to evolve.

On global warming, IMHO, the reason they do not see it is because their heads are so far up their asses. That has to be the reason. There is no other way they can possibly deny it.

It is not wise to piss off Mother Nature.
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 10:29 PM
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4. IMHO they do not see it because it does not fit into their world view. nt
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 10:39 PM
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5. Thirty Helens agree too.
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guardian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 11:11 PM
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6. Except for these scientists who say GW isn't real
Edited on Sat Jan-24-09 11:14 PM by guardian
I guess the grad student mentioned in the OP missed these guys in her "exhaustive" research:



Dr. Ian D. Clark, professor, isotope hydrogeology and paleoclimatology, Dept. of Earth
Sciences, University of Ottawa
Dr. Tad Murty, former senior research scientist, Dept. of Fisheries and Oceans, former
director of Australia's National Tidal Facility and professor of earth sciences, Flinders
University, Adelaide; currently adjunct professor, Departments of Civil Engineering and
Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa
Dr. R. Timothy Patterson, professor, Dept. of Earth Sciences (paleoclimatology), Carleton
University, Ottawa
Dr. Fred Michel, director, Institute of Environmental Science and associate professor, Dept.
of Earth Sciences, Carleton University, Ottawa
Dr. Madhav Khandekar, former research scientist, Environment Canada. Member of
editorial board of Climate Research and Natural Hazards
Dr. Paul Copper, FRSC, professor emeritus, Dept. of Earth Sciences, Laurentian
University, Sudbury, Ont.
Dr. Ross McKitrick, associate professor, Dept. of Economics, University of Guelph, Ont.
Dr. Tim Ball, former professor of climatology, University of Winnipeg; environmental
consultant
Dr. Andreas Prokoph, adjunct professor of earth sciences, University of Ottawa; consultant
in statistics and geology
Mr. David Nowell, M.Sc. (Meteorology), fellow of the Royal Meteorological Society,
Canadian member and past chairman of the NATO Meteorological Group, Ottawa
Dr. Christopher Essex, professor of applied mathematics and associate director of the
Program in Theoretical Physics, University of Western Ontario, London, Ont.
* Dr. Gordon E. Swaters, professor of applied mathematics, Dept. of Mathematical
Sciences, and member, Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Research Group, University of
Alberta (* Note: Swaters later recanted his signature on the open letter)
Dr. L. Graham Smith, associate professor, Dept. of Geography, University of Western
Ontario, London, Ont.
Dr. G. Cornelis van Kooten, professor and Canada Research Chair in environmental studies
and climate change, Dept. of Economics, University of Victoria
Dr. Petr Chylek, adjunct professor, Dept. of Physics and Atmospheric Science, Dalhousie
University, Halifax
Dr./Cdr. M. R. Morgan, FRMS, climate consultant, former meteorology advisor to the
World Meteorological Organization. Previously research scientist in climatology at
University of Exeter, U.K.
Dr. Keith D. Hage, climate consultant and professor emeritus of Meteorology, University
of Alberta
Dr. David E. Wojick, P.Eng., energy consultant, Star Tannery, Va., and Sioux Lookout,
Ont.
Rob Scagel, M.Sc., forest microclimate specialist, principal consultant, Pacific Phytometric
Consultants, Surrey, B.C.
Dr. Douglas Leahey, meteorologist and air-quality consultant, Calgary
Paavo Siitam, M.Sc., agronomist, chemist, Cobourg, Ont.
Dr. Chris de Freitas, climate scientist, associate professor, The University of Auckland,
N.Z.
Dr. Richard S. Lindzen, Alfred P. Sloan professor of meteorology, Dept. of Earth,
Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences, Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Dr. Freeman J. Dyson, emeritus professor of physics, Institute for Advanced Studies,
Princeton, N.J.
Mr. George Taylor, Dept. of Meteorology, Oregon State University; Oregon State
climatologist; past president, American Association of State Climatologists
Dr. Ian Plimer, professor of geology, School of Earth and Environmental Sciences,
University of Adelaide; emeritus professor of earth sciences, University of Melbourne,
Australia
Dr. R.M. Carter, professor, Marine Geophysical Laboratory, James Cook University,
Townsville, Australia
Mr. William Kininmonth, Australasian Climate Research, former Head National Climate
Centre, Australian Bureau of Meteorology; former Australian delegate to World
Meteorological Organization Commission for Climatology, Scientific and Technical
Review
Dr. Hendrik Tennekes, former director of research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological
Institute
Dr. Gerrit J. van der Lingen, geologist/paleoclimatologist, Climate Change Consultant,
Geoscience Research and Investigations, New Zealand
Dr. Patrick J. Michaels, professor of environmental sciences, University of Virginia
Dr. Nils-Axel Morner, emeritus professor of paleogeophysics & geodynamics, Stockholm
University, Stockholm, Sweden
Dr. Gary D. Sharp, Center for Climate/Ocean Resources Study, Salinas, Calif.
Dr. Roy W. Spencer, principal research scientist, Earth System Science Center, The
University of Alabama, Huntsville
Dr. Al Pekarek, associate professor of geology, Earth and Atmospheric Sciences Dept., St.
Cloud State University, St. Cloud, Minn.
Dr. Marcel Leroux, professor emeritus of climatology, University of Lyon, France; former
director of Laboratory of Climatology, Risks and Environment, CNRS
Dr. Paul Reiter, professor, Institut Pasteur, Unit of Insects and Infectious Diseases, Paris,
France. Expert reviewer, IPCC Working group II, chapter 8 (human health)
Dr. Zbigniew Jaworowski, physicist and chairman, Scientific Council of Central
Laboratory for Radiological Protection, Warsaw, Poland
Dr. Sonja Boehmer-Christiansen, reader, Dept. of Geography, University of Hull, U.K.;
editor, Energy & Environment
Dr. Hans H.J. Labohm, former advisor to the executive board, Clingendael Institute (The
Netherlands Institute of International Relations) and an economist who has focused on
climate change
Dr. Lee C. Gerhard, senior scientist emeritus, University of Kansas, past director and state
geologist, Kansas Geological Survey
Dr. Asmunn Moene, past head of the Forecasting Centre, Meteorological Institute, Norway
Dr. August H. Auer, past professor of atmospheric science, University of Wyoming;
previously chief meteorologist, Meteorological Service (MetService) of New Zealand
Dr. Vincent Gray, expert reviewer for the IPCC and author of The Greenhouse Delusion: A
Critique of 'Climate Change 2001,' Wellington, N.Z.
Dr. Howard Hayden, emeritus professor of physics, University of Connecticut
Dr Benny Peiser, professor of social anthropology, Faculty of Science, Liverpool John
Moores University, U.K.
Dr. Jack Barrett, chemist and spectroscopist, formerly with Imperial College London, U.K.
Dr. William J.R. Alexander, professor emeritus, Dept. of Civil and Biosystems
Engineering, University of Pretoria, South Africa. Member, United Nations Scientific and
Technical Committee on Natural Disasters, 1994-2000
Dr. S. Fred Singer, professor emeritus of environmental sciences, University of Virginia;
former director, U.S. Weather Satellite Service
Dr. Harry N.A. Priem, emeritus professor of planetary geology and isotope geophysics,
Utrecht University; former director of the Netherlands Institute for Isotope Geosciences;
past president of the Royal Netherlands Geological & Mining Society
Dr. Robert H. Essenhigh, E.G. Bailey professor of energy conversion, Dept. of Mechanical
Engineering, The Ohio State University
Dr. Sallie Baliunas, astrophysicist and climate researcher, Boston, Mass.
Douglas Hoyt, senior scientist at Raytheon (retired) and co-author of the book The Role of
the Sun in Climate Change; previously with NCAR, NOAA, and the World Radiation
Center, Davos, Switzerland
Dipl.-Ing. Peter Dietze, independent energy advisor and scientific climate and carbon
modeller, official IPCC reviewer, Bavaria, Germany
Dr. Boris Winterhalter, senior marine researcher (retired), Geological Survey of Finland,
former professor in marine geology, University of Helsinki, Finland
Dr. Wibjorn Karlen, emeritus professor, Dept. of Physical Geography and Quaternary
Geology, Stockholm University, Sweden
Dr. Hugh W. Ellsaesser, physicist/meteorologist, previously with the Lawrence Livermore
National Laboratory, Calif.; atmospheric consultant.
Dr. Art Robinson, founder, Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine, Cave Junction, Ore.
Dr. Arthur Rorsch, emeritus professor of molecular genetics, Leiden University, The
Netherlands; past board member, Netherlands organization for applied research (TNO) in
environmental, food and public health
Dr. Alister McFarquhar, Downing College, Cambridge, U.K.; international economist
Dr. Richard S. Courtney, climate and atmospheric science consultant, IPCC expert
reviewer, U.K.
Don Aitkin, PhD, Professor, social scientist, retired Vice-Chancellor and President,
University of Canberra, Australia
Syun-Ichi Akasofu, PhD, Professor of Physics, Emeritus and Founding Director,
International Arctic Research Center of the University of Alaska Fairbanks, U.S.
William J.R. Alexander, PhD, Professor Emeritus, Dept. of Civil and Biosystems
Engineering, University of Pretoria, South Africa; Member, UN Scientific and Technical
Committee on Natural Disasters, 1994-2000
Bjarne Andresen, PhD, physicist, Professor, The Niels Bohr Institute, University of
Copenhagen, Denmark
Geoff L. Austin, PhD, FNZIP, FRSNZ, Professor, Dept. of Physics, University of
Auckland, New Zealand
Timothy F. Ball, PhD, environmental consultant, former climatology professor, University
of Winnipeg, Canada
Ernst-Georg Beck, Dipl. Biol., Biologist, Merian-Schule Freiburg, Germany
Sonja A. Boehmer-Christiansen, PhD, Reader, Dept. of Geography, Hull University, UK;
Editor, Energy & Environment journal
Chris C. Borel, PhD, remote sensing scientist, U.S.
Reid A. Bryson, Ph.D. D.Sc. D.Engr., UNEP Global 500 Laureate; Senior Scientist, Center
for Climatic Research; Emeritus Professor of Meteorology, of Geography, and of
Environmental Studies, University of Wisconsin, U.S.
Dan Carruthers, M.Sc., wildlife biology consultant specializing in animal ecology in Arctic
and Subarctic regions, Alberta, Canada
Robert M. Carter, PhD, Professor, Marine Geophysical Laboratory, James Cook
University, Townsville, Australia
Ian D. Clark, PhD, Professor, isotope hydrogeology and paleoclimatology, Dept. of Earth
Sciences, University of Ottawa, Canada
Richard S. Courtney, PhD, climate and atmospheric science consultant, IPCC expert
reviewer, U.K.
Willem de Lange, PhD, Dept. of Earth and Ocean Sciences, School of Science and
Engineering, Waikato University, New Zealand
David Deming, PhD (Geophysics), Associate Professor, College of Arts and Sciences,
University of Oklahoma, U.S.
Freeman J. Dyson, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Physics, Institute for Advanced Studies,
Princeton, N.J., U.S.
Don J. Easterbrook, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Geology, Western Washington University,
U.S.
Lance Endersbee, Emeritus Professor, former Dean of Engineering and Pro-Vice
Chancellor of Monasy University, Australia
Hans Erren, Doctorandus, geophysicist and climate specialist, Sittard, The Netherlands
Robert H. Essenhigh, PhD, E.G. Bailey Professor of Energy Conversion, Dept. of
Mechanical Engineering, The Ohio State University, U.S.
Christopher Essex, PhD, Professor of Applied Mathematics and Associate Director of the
Program in Theoretical Physics, University of Western Ontario, Canada
David Evans, PhD, mathematician, carbon accountant, computer and electrical engineer
and head of 'Science Speak', Australia
William Evans, PhD, Editor, American Midland Naturalist; Dept. of Biological Sciences,
University of Notre Dame, U.S.
Stewart Franks, PhD, Associate Professor, Hydroclimatologist, University of Newcastle,
Australia
R. W. Gauldie, PhD, Research Professor, Hawai'i Institute of Geophysics and Planetology,
School of Ocean Earth Sciences and Technology, University of Hawaii at Manoa
Lee C. Gerhard, PhD, Senior Scientist Emeritus, University of Kansas; former director and
state geologist, Kansas Geological Survey, U.S.
Gerhard Gerlich, Professor for Mathematical and Theoretical Physics, Institut fr
Mathematische Physik der TU Braunschweig, Germany
Albrecht Glatzle, PhD, sc.agr., Agro-Biologist and Gerente ejecutivo, INTTAS, Paraguay
Fred Goldberg, PhD, Adj Professor, Royal Institute of Technology, Mechanical
Engineering, Stockholm, Sweden
Vincent Gray, PhD, expert reviewer for the IPCC and author of The Greenhouse Delusion:
A Critique of 'Climate Change 2001,' Wellington, New Zealand
William M. Gray, Professor Emeritus, Dept. of Atmospheric Science, Colorado State
University and Head of the Tropical Meteorology Project, U.S.
Howard Hayden, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Physics, University of Connecticut, U.S.
Louis Hissink M.Sc. M.A.I.G., Editor AIG News and Consulting Geologist, Perth, Western
Australia
Craig D. Idso, PhD, Chairman, Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change,
Arizona, U.S.
Sherwood B. Idso, PhD, President, Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global
Change, AZ, USA
Andrei Illarionov, PhD, Senior Fellow, Center for Global Liberty and Prosperity, U.S.;
founder and director of the Institute of Economic Analysis, Russia
Zbigniew Jaworowski, PhD, physicist, Chairman - Scientific Council of Central Laboratory
for Radiological Protection, Warsaw, Poland
Jon Jenkins, PhD, MD, computer modelling - virology, Sydney, NSW, Australia
Wibjorn Karlen, PhD, Emeritus Professor, Dept. of Physical Geography and Quaternary
Geology, Stockholm University, Sweden
Olavi Krner, Ph.D., Research Associate, Dept. of Atmospheric Physics, Institute of
Astrophysics and Atmospheric Physics, Toravere, Estonia
Joel M. Kauffman, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Chemistry, University of the Sciences in
Philadelphia, U.S.
David Kear, PhD, FRSNZ, CMG, geologist, former Director-General of NZ Dept. of
Scientific & Industrial Research, New Zealand
Madhav Khandekar, PhD, former Research Scientist Environment Canada; Editor "Climate
Research" (03-05); Editorial Board Member "Natural Hazards, IPCC Expert Reviewer
2007
William Kininmonth M.Sc., M.Admin., former head of Australia's National Climate Centre
and a consultant to the World Meteorological organization's Commission for Climatology
Jan J.H. Kop, M.Sc. Ceng FICE (Civil Engineer Fellow of the Institution of Civil
Engineers), Emeritus Professor of Public Health Engineering, Technical University Delft,
The Netherlands
Professor R.W.J. Kouffeld, Emeritus Professor, Energy Conversion, Delft University of
Technology, The Netherlands
Salomon Kroonenberg, PhD, Professor, Dept. of Geotechnology, Delft University of
Technology, The Netherlands
Hans H.J. Labohm, PhD, economist, former advisor to the executive board, Clingendael
Institute (The Netherlands Institute of International Relations), The Netherlands
The Rt. Hon. Lord Lawson of Blaby, economist; Chairman of the Central Europe Trust;
former Chancellor of the Exchequer, U.K.
Douglas Leahey, PhD, meteorologist and air-quality consultant, Calgary, Canada
David R. Legates, PhD, Director, Center for Climatic Research, University of Delaware,
U.S.
Marcel Leroux, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Climatology, University of Lyon, France;
former director of Laboratory of Climatology, Risks and Environment, CNRS
Bryan Leyland, International Climate Science Coalition, consultant - power engineer,
Auckland, New Zealand
William Lindqvist, PhD, consulting geologist and company director, Tiburon, California,
U.S.
Richard S. Lindzen, PhD, Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology, Dept. of Earth,
Atmospheric and Planetary Sciences, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, U.S.
A.J. Tom van Loon, PhD, Professor of Geology (Quaternary Geology), Adam Mickiewicz
University, Poznan, Poland; former President of the European Association of Science
Editors
Anthony R. Lupo, PhD, Associate Professor of Atmospheric Science, Dept. of Soil,
Environmental, and Atmospheric Science, University of Missouri-Columbia, U.S.
Richard Mackey, PhD, Statistician, Australia
Horst Malberg, PhD, Professor for Meteorology and Climatology, Institut fr
Meteorologie, Berlin, Germany
John Maunder, PhD, Climatologist, former President of the Commission for Climatology
of the World Meteorological Organization (89-97), New Zealand
Alister McFarquhar, PhD, international economist, Downing College, Cambridge, U.K.
Ross McKitrick, PhD, Associate Professor, Dept. of Economics, University of Guelph,
Canada
John McLean, Climate Data Analyst, computer scientist, Melbourne, Australia
Owen McShane, B. Arch., Master of City and Regional Planning (UC Berkeley),
economist and policy analyst, joint founder of the International Climate Science Coalition,
Director - Centre for Resource Management Studies, New Zealand
Fred Michel, PhD, Director, Institute of Environmental Sciences and Associate Professor
of Earth Sciences, Carleton University, Canada
Frank Milne, PhD, Professor, Dept. of Economics, Queen's University, Canada
Asmunn Moene, PhD, former head of the Forecasting Centre, Meteorological Institute,
Norway
Alan Moran, PhD, Energy Economist, Director of the IPA's Deregulation Unit, Australia
Nils-Axel Morner, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Paleogeophysics & Geodynamics,
Stockholm University, Sweden
Lubos Motl, PhD, physicist, former Harvard string theorist, Charles University, Prague,
Czech Republic
John Nicol, PhD, physicist, James Cook University, Australia
Mr. David Nowell, M.Sc., Fellow of the Royal Meteorological Society, former chairman of
the NATO Meteorological Group, Ottawa, Canada
James J. O'Brien, PhD, Professor Emeritus, Meteorology and Oceanography, Florida State
University, U.S.
Cliff Ollier, PhD, Professor Emeritus (Geology), Research Fellow, University of Western
Australia
Garth W. Paltridge, PhD, atmospheric physicist, Emeritus Professor and former Director of
the Institute of Antarctic and Southern Ocean Studies, University of Tasmania, Australia
R. Timothy Patterson, PhD, Professor, Dept. of Earth Sciences (paleoclimatology),
Carleton University, Canada
Al Pekarek, PhD, Associate Professor of Geology, Earth and Atmospheric Sciences Dept.,
St. Cloud State University, Minnesota, U.S.
Ian Plimer, PhD, Professor of Geology, School of Earth and Environmental Sciences,
University of Adelaide and Emeritus Professor of Earth Sciences, University of Melbourne,
Australia
Brian Pratt, PhD, Professor of Geology, Sedimentology, University of Saskatchewan,
Canada
Harry N.A. Priem, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Planetary Geology and Isotope Geophysics,
Utrecht University; former director of the Netherlands Institute for Isotope Geosciences
Alex Robson, PhD, Economics, Australian National University
Colonel F.P.M. Rombouts, Branch Chief - Safety, Quality and Environment, Royal
Netherlands Air Force
R.G. Roper, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Atmospheric Sciences, School of Earth and
Atmospheric Sciences, Georgia Institute of Technology, U.S.
Arthur Rorsch, PhD, Emeritus Professor, Molecular Genetics, Leiden University, The
Netherlands
Rob Scagel, M.Sc., forest microclimate specialist, principal consultant, Pacific Phytometric
Consultants, B.C., Canada
Tom V. Segalstad, PhD, (Geology/Geochemistry), Head of the Geological Museum and
Associate Professor of Resource and Environmental Geology, University of Oslo, Norway
Gary D. Sharp, PhD, Center for Climate/Ocean Resources Study, Salinas, CA, U.S.
S. Fred Singer, PhD, Professor Emeritus of Environmental Sciences, University of Virginia
and former director, U.S. Weather Satellite Service
L. Graham Smith, PhD, Associate Professor, Dept. of Geography, University of Western
Ontario, Canada
Roy W. Spencer, PhD, climatologist, Principal Research Scientist, Earth System Science
Center, The University of Alabama, Huntsville, U.S.
Peter Stilbs, TeknD, Professor of Physical Chemistry, Research Leader, School of
Chemical Science and Engineering, KTH (Royal Institute of Technology), Stockholm,
Sweden
Hendrik Tennekes, PhD, former Director of Research, Royal Netherlands Meteorological
Institute
Dick Thoenes, PhD, Emeritus Professor of Chemical Engineering, Eindhoven University of
Technology, The Netherlands
Brian G Valentine, PhD, PE (Chem.), Technology Manager - Industrial Energy Efficiency,
Adjunct Associate Professor of Engineering Science, University of Maryland at College
Park; Dept of Energy, Washington, DC, U.S.
Gerrit J. van der Lingen, PhD, geologist and paleoclimatologist, climate change consultant,
Geoscience Research and Investigations, New Zealand
Len Walker, PhD, power engineering, Pict Energy, Melbourne, Australia
Edward J. Wegman, Bernard J. Dunn Professor, Department of Statistics and Department
Computational and Data Sciences, George Mason University, Virginia, U.S.
Stephan Wilksch, PhD, Professor for Innovation and Technology Management, Production
Management and Logistics, University of Technology and Economics Berlin, Germany
Boris Winterhalter, PhD, senior marine researcher (retired), Geological Survey of Finland,
former professor in marine geology, University of Helsinki, Finland
David E. Wojick, PhD, P.Eng., UN IPCC Expert Reviewer, energy consultant, Virginia,
U.S.
Raphael Wust, PhD, Lecturer, Marine Geology/Sedimentology, James Cook University,
Australia
Zichichi, PhD, President of the World Federation of Scientists, Geneva, Switzerland;
Emeritus Professor of Advanced Physics, University of Bologna, Italy.
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-24-09 11:33 PM
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7. 90% of the earth scientists surveyed agreed the planet has warmed
In other words, of the 3146 people surveyed, 315 believed the planet was not warming. That you can produce a list of scientists that dispute anthropogenic global warming is in line with what this survey found and does not contradict it.

For all we know, the list you supplied (without a link to corroborate it, BTW) may well include many, if not most, of those 315 dissenters.
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-25-09 10:36 PM
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8. Please, educate yourself
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Consider, let's say that 90% of oncologists believe that smoking causes cancer, but only 75% of general practitioners do, and only 50% of tobacco scientists believe it.

Which would you give the most credence to? Cancer specialists? Non-specialists? Or non-specialists with a conflict of interest?
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guardian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 12:38 PM
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9. Okay... so tell me
Edited on Mon Jan-26-09 12:46 PM by guardian
Which of the antiGW scientists in the list have titles/backgrounds that you think unsuitable to comment on global warming? I guess the IPCC expert reviewers in the list are particularly unqualified?

You are obviously trying to imply that people who disagree aren't qualified or are not specialists in a relevant discipline.

Oh let me guess--YOU DIDN'T READ IT.

I'd expect a rational person to respond to the question and bolster their assertion. But I fully expect the only response I'll get is a litany of insults, profanity, comparisons to Nazis, and insane rants about opening up a new level of hell. It's interesting trying to have a discussion about an adult topic with people who can only respond with childish insults.



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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 01:20 PM
Response to Reply #9
10. Well, Antonio Zichichi at the bottom of your list is a nuclear physicist
Edited on Mon Jan-26-09 01:32 PM by NickB79
Not a climatologist.

He is also president of the World Federation of Scientists, but ironically, the WFS seems to acknowledge the possibility of anthropogenic global warming: http://www.federationofscientists.org/PMPanels/Climate/...

Then there is David E. Wojick, who's resume and history are discussed here: http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=David_E._Woj...

Then there's Prof. Stephan Wilksch, who doesn't seem to have any degrees in climatology either: http://www.zoominfo.com/Search/PersonDetail.aspx?Person...

And this is with 10 min of simply Google searches, working up through the bottom 10 names. If that is any indication of what the rest of the list is composed of, that doesn't help in supporting your position.
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 09:20 AM
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14. Let's see did /you/ read the list?
Edited on Tue Jan-27-09 09:23 AM by OKIsItJustMe
Just a few:


Dr. Ross McKitrick, associate professor, Dept. of Economics, University of Guelph, Ont.

Dr. Christopher Essex, professor of applied mathematics and associate director of the Program in Theoretical Physics, University of Western Ontario, London, Ont.
* Dr. Gordon E. Swaters, professor of applied mathematics, Dept. of Mathematical Sciences, and member, Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Research Group, University of Alberta (* Note: Swaters later recanted his signature on the open letter)

Dr. David E. Wojick, P.Eng., energy consultant, Star Tannery, Va., and Sioux Lookout, Ont.

Paavo Siitam, M.Sc., agronomist, chemist, Cobourg, Ont.

Dr. Freeman J. Dyson, emeritus professor of physics, Institute for Advanced Studies, Princeton, N.J.

This one I found particularly interesting. You may want to do some reading about what Freeman Dyson actually believes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeman_Dyson#Global_warmi...
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 10:49 AM
Response to Reply #14
16. It's outrageous that Dyson would be included in this list
Another example of the denial-o-sphere's desperation.
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OKIsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 01:17 PM
Response to Reply #16
17. Well, he did sign the letter criticizing the IPCC
It's not that he doesn't believe in anthropogenic global warming though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freeman_Dyson#Global_warmi...
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 01:38 PM
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11. 5% of scientists believe in creationism, too.
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 01:51 PM
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12. Names in your list are duplicated.
Of the non-duplicate names, I count at least 70 whose professional specialization has nothing whatsoever to do with climate, atmospheric science or meteorology. And one guy who has already recanted.

I also note, with contempt, the inclusion of names like Baliunas, Ball, Singer, Lindzen, McKittrick and Essex.

It's the OISM petition list, right? It's bullshit from start to finish.
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Barrett808 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-26-09 02:06 PM
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13. More debunking of OISM nonsense here:
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Viking12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-27-09 09:44 AM
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15. It's the Inhofe 400, err, wait no 650! "scientists dispute global warming!1!!!"
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