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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 08:00 PM
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Turkey to cancel first nuke plant, too expensive at 21.16 cents/kWh
http://weblog.greenpeace.org/nuclear-reaction/2009/01/t...
Turkey to cancel nuclear tender

Remember earlier in the week when the consortium bidding to build Turkeys first nuclear reactor announced the cost of the electricity produced would be three times Turkeys current price?

Well, it seems the Turkish government werent as amused as we were:

The Turkish government is likely to cancel a tender for the construction of the country's first nuclear power plant by rejecting a bid from a Russian reactor builder, a Turkish paper said on Wednesday.


Excellent news. And this was after the Russian-led consortium had revised their ludicrous first figure. It seems Tetas, the energy company commissioning the reactor, didnt like the second price either. If all nuclear commissioning processes were like this, we could pack up and go home. The nuclear industry is its own worst enemy.

The cancellation of the tendering process now brings the number of failed attempts to commission a nuclear reactor in Turkey to five. You would have thought the government would have got the message. But are they downhearted? Are they discouraged? No...

In this case, new tenders for the construction of the nuclear power plant will be held.


We await the next tendering process with anticipation. Can the Turkish government outdo itself and make it even more farcical than the last?

http://en.rian.ru/world/20090121/119732039.html

Turkey to scrap tender for nuclear power plant - paper
13:33 | 21/ 01/ 2009

ANKARA, January 21 (RIA Novosti) - The Turkish government is likely to cancel a tender for the construction of the country's first nuclear power plant by rejecting a bid from a Russian reactor builder, a Turkish paper said on Wednesday.

Atomstroyexport, acting through a consortium with Russian power producer Inter RAO UES and Turkey's Park Teknik, is competing in a tender to build four nuclear reactors with a capacity of 1,200 MW each in Turkey.

According to the Milliyet newspaper, the Turkish side is dissatisfied with the high price of electricity generation offered by Atomstroyexport.

Last Monday, the Turkish energy company Tetas opened an envelope containing Atomstroyexport's bid, which offered a rate of 21.16 U.S. cents per kW/hr of electricity generation. It was also announced at the time that Atomstroyexport had submitted an adjusted bid, taking into account the current global financial crisis. However, the bid was returned to the Russian company, the paper said.

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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 08:08 PM
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1. but...but...but...Nucular Renaissance and exojewels!!!111
:rofl:
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 09:03 PM
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2. You meanie!!!!
I've run the numbers over and over. At that price, solar is better than competetive with and ROI (at current oil prices) of between 10 and 15 years.

From what I've heard, Turkey's a pretty damn sunshiney country.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 09:05 PM
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3. Sort of like
Trading the family jewels for exojoules.
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diane in sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 09:32 PM
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4. They'd only want it to get weapon materials anyway.
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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 09:41 PM
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5. I wonder what they will do instead.
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JohnWxy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 03:28 PM
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8. Wind power potential of Turkey - twice the current demand.
http://www.dewi.de/dewi//fileadmin/pdf/publications/Mag...

"Based on these weather station values the estimated technical wind energy potential of Turkey is about
twice as much as the current electricity consumption of Turkey. The above mentioned long term goal of
7000 MW power installation in wind turbines in Turkey therefore is possible and realistic."

Turkey Looks to Exploit Wind Energy Potential


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phantom power Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 06:25 PM
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9. Partly, I was making a Bad Reporting comment...
If they are disillusioned with the cost of their nuclear proposal, the obvious next question would be: what's their plan-B? I saw no mention of that. It's one of those obvious followup questions that mysteriously aren't included in some news articles.
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-21-09 09:58 PM
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6. Likely? From the Greenpeace website? 21.16 cents per kwh is too expensive?
It's pretty funny to watch dumb anti-nukes embrace the spin of their vast circle jerk of ignorance from the ignorance squad at Greenpeace, the same shit heels who were cheering for natural gas in Bulgaria when real people were freezing for Gazprom, the anti-nuke company.

As usual, the anti-nukes who insisted on destroying operating climate change gas free infrastructure at the behest of the gas industry, couldn't have given a rat's ass that people were freezing.

Quoth Greenpeace, the coffee klatch of oblivious yuppies with contempt for humanity:

The alternatives are far simpler than jump-starting nuclear reactors. Energy efficiency is the obvious one with gas being used predominantly for heating in both countries. Its quick, its cheap and it works. As a recent study in the Czech Republic discovered, the reduction in gas usage can be up to 60 per cent if thermal insulation of buildings is done properly.



http://weblog.greenpeace.org/nuclear-reaction/2009/01/b...

The energy efficiency that Greenpeace favors involves kicking old people out into the snow if the anti-nuke Gerhard Schroeder's gas company doesn't like independent countries charging for their gas lines:




http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2f9aebc4-e0b1-11dd-b0e8-00007 ...

Note that a Greenpeace study shows that energy efficiency could work in Czech Republic, reducing gas consumption by 60%.

Apparently the Greenpeace theory is that all Czechs can afford all new houses just like Mom's Maine Solar House in Maine.

Of course, we can look up how much Gas Czechs use right as opposed to a dumb Greenpeace study cited by Greenpeace that shows whatever Greenpeace wants it to show what Czechs could do if they were all as rich as dumb anti-nukes dreaming of the their solar cars.

YOU CAN'T GET IN TO GREENPEACE IF YOU CAN READ NUMBERS.

It seems that the Czechs could (or more likely are using 118% of the gas they were consuming at the country's founding.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/international/gasconsumptio...

But our anti-nukes are here screaming, screaming that "studies show" that nuclear electricity could be 21 cents/kwh.

Great number that 21 cents/kwh, especially because there are hundreds and hundreds of nuclear plants around the world that produce electric power at less than the price of dangerous natural gas plants and - if one charges for the dangerous coal waste that anti-nukes couldn't care less about, external costs - coal plants.


But let's let's see if we can have a dumb anti-nuke compare numbers involving 21 cents. From the solar industry which after 8 years of hype and delusion on this and millions of other websites still has not produced an exajoule of energy in a year, a word from the solar industry itself:

http://www.solarbuzz.com /

Note that the 21.18 cents/kwh figure is before the cost of all the batteries that dumb anti-nukes are claiming that "studies show" will be available at low prices in 2050.

For years we've had dumb anti-nuke after dumb anti-nuke come here and announce that the grand solar revolution with brazillions of "solar prices set to fall" with "world's largest solar" rhetoric.

Now they link to other members of the circle jerk announcing that 21 cents per kwh is too expensive.

Turkey, which has in many places a, um well, Mediterranean climate, sort of like California where dumb anti-nukes promised brazillions and brazillions of solar roofs, will either build nuclear or it will burn dangerous fossil fuels.

If anyone doubts that the "renewables will save us" industry is anything but shilling for dangerous fossil fuel companies, one ought to look at the energy profile of Turkey subject to so much Greenpeace cheering:

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/international/iealf/tablee4....

Greenpeace doesn't give a fuck about what coal is doing in Turkey, not a fuck.

They say it's "cheap," because the little yuppie brats at Greenpeace don't give a fuck about lung tissue in Turkey.

Consumer brats, every one of them.

Oh, and some one should explain to Greenpeace that electric heaters are a well understood technology. When their pal Schroeder's owners pulled the gas, the Bulgarians understood that dire necessity quite well.





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exboyfil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-22-09 05:33 AM
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7. You know what will happen in the U.S.
The $/Kwhr will be lowballed, and, after the plant is built, you really can't go back. They will split responsibility so that some public utility is left holding the bag. Probably the government folks who are supposed to oversee justification will end up working in the nuclear industry.

These folks just did not know how to lie or the Turkish government was able to ensure accountability was shouldered.

Any bid on nuclear power should include the cost of dealing with the long term issues of the nuclear waste. Also a very large insurance policy needs to be be purchased with set payment schedules in the event of an accident. Once you start pricing in these factors, then nuclear really does not make sense (if it ever did).
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