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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 08:30 AM
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Mr. Peabody's Coal Train, Blacklight reaction independantly
reproduced by Rowan University.

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/BlackLight_Power_Anno...

Dr. Jansson's Rowan University team conducted 55 tests of the prototypes, including controls and calibrations, during a nine-month study. Test results indicated that energy generation was proportional to the total amount of solid fuel, and only one percent of the one million joules of the energy released could be accounted for by previously known chemistry.

These results matched earlier tests conducted at BlackLight's Research and Development Center, in Cranbury New Jersey.

Michael Jordan, former CEO of Westinghouse and current board member of BlackLight Power, says "The offsite replication and independent testing announced by Dr. Peter Jansson and his team of scientists underscore the business viability and impact of BlackLight's new energy source as the opportune replacement of coal-based fuels. It will go down as one of the most important advances in the field of energy in the last fifty years."
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 08:52 AM
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1. Well, it seems physicists think the idea of a hydrino is whacked
Mills' theory is rejected by almost all of the scientific community.

"He's wrong in so many ways, it's beyond counting," says Robert Park, a professor of physics at the University of Maryland and former spokesman for the American Physics Society. Parks, 77, uses BlackLight as an example of phony physics in his 2002 book, Voodoo Science: The Road from Foolishness to Fraud. He says of Mills, "I don't know of a single scientist of any reputation who takes his claims seriously."

Mills' theory, which he expounds upon in his self-published 2,000 page book, The Grand Unified Theory of Classical Quantum Mechanics, rests on what he describes as his discovery of the hydrino - an altered version of hydrogen that has an energy level lower than its ground state, or the baseline energy level. These modified atoms, he argues, are the stuff that comprises dark matter, the invisible material that many scientists believe composes more than 90% of the universe. The mechanism that creates hydrinos - a chemical reaction whose released energy can allegedly be harnessed for power - is what Mills calls the BlackLight Process.

Why do scientists give Mills so much heat? By positing that a molecule's energy level can dip below its ground state, he rewrites the principles of quantum mechanics, which are widely viewed as incontrovertible. Perhaps the most widely-known critique of his theory was published by Andreas Rathke of the European Space Agency, who argues that Mills' mathematics is flawed.

http://money.cnn.com/2008/07/01/smallbusiness/blackligh...
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 08:57 AM
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2. Galileo was whacked. People who could not see the change
eventually died off. Whether the math is flawed or not, whether it makes sense or not, it is producing clean power and that's all that really matters.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-08 06:26 PM
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6. "it is producing clean power"
Edited on Sun Dec-14-08 06:51 PM by jberryhill
Where?

It was producing power in Jansson's lab in 1997 too, when Jansson said he was going to put money into the company.

But where is it producing a single watt that's powering anything?

I do have a question for you.

In the last 100 years, which has happened more frequently:

1. A radical new theory of physics is laughed at by experts, and then proven correct by demonstration of a new clean energy source; or

2. A snake oil salesman manages to obtain a significant chunk of investment funding in a clean energy technology that doesn't materialize?

I'm just asking what has happened more frequently, and why your comment about Galileo makes event 1 more likely than event 2.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 02:44 PM
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10. Actually no, Galileo had pretty good scientific methodology.
And nobody not associated with the company has claimed that they're actually producing clean power. This is a joke, and a scam, and it's sad that people around here buy into it.
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kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-16-08 04:06 PM
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3. Conclusion from Jansson's test report
Edited on Sun Nov-16-08 04:10 PM by kristopher
Conclusions and Future Plans

Based on the results achieved by the Rowan University scientific teams from the BLP 1
kW and 50- kW reactors we have concluded that there is a novel reaction of some type causing
the large exotherm which is consistently produced in our experimental runs. The past few
months have shown great progress in our ability as an external team of scientists to reproduce
many of the experiments that BLP scientists have achieved in their own laboratories. The current
scientific team has grown competent in the experimental protocols and become more familiar
with performing the experimental and the data analysis with consistent results. We are confident
that the energy released from the BLP experiments can be replicated in laboratories at other
scientific and educational establishments.

Our future plans include moving the project to the new South Jersey Technology Park
during October 2008. We intend to continue further testing from October 2008 May 2009.
Based on the success of our calibration tests, we will continue with flow rate calibrations prior to
and after each calibration/ heat run to assure we have more consistent and repeatable data. A
constant record of each offset for each run will be kept as a reference for reanalyzing previous
data. This step in the analysis assures we can minimize inaccuracies. We are confident that our
team will be able to continue to replicate BLP experimental projects off site and are grateful for
the assistance of BLP scientists as we have learned much from them in the accurate and reliable
measurement of the heat generated by their novel process.


Available for download here: http://users.rowan.edu/~jansson /

There is also a video of the testing available. I'm on dialup, so I haven't seen it.

The upshot is that it looks like something is happening. Apparently their chemistry department cant find anything in the "fuel" to explain the results the engineering department is recording. Continued testing is underway.

Added on edit: I remain skeptical until this is replicated by others. However, even one independent testing agency (which Rowan Univ. seems to be) is usually enough to disqualify most hoaxes.
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-08 05:27 PM
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4. It's not a hoax. I heard CNN ran a story yesterday on Blacklight's first license agreement.
Edited on Fri Dec-12-08 05:28 PM by InAbLuEsTaTe
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-08 06:46 PM
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8. Cool - what was the value of the license agreement?

How much is being paid for the license?

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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-08 06:28 PM
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7. "are grateful for the assistance of BLP scientists"

It was nice of BLP staff to help out with the "independent" confirmation.

I wonder if they helped in 1997 - the last time that Jansson announced an independent confirmation of BLP's energy technology.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-14-08 06:23 PM
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5. Independent?
Edited on Sun Dec-14-08 06:25 PM by jberryhill
You do know what Jansson did for his master's thesis in 1996, and his subsequent connections with Blacklight, yes?

Jansson has been "confirming" Blacklight results for over a decade, in various guises:

http://www.keelynet.com/energy/hydmills.htm

MALVERN, Pa. (Apr 1, 199711:02 a.m. EST) - If Dr. Randell Mills is right, the way the world produces and uses energy is about to be radically transformed, along with science's understanding of the physics involved.

...

Similar results have been obtained in other laboratories, including in a test run by Peter Jansson, an engineer and manager of market development for Atlantic Energy Inc. Jansson, who conducted the test independently of his company, said Atlantic Energy was "strongly considering" what he called a "strategic investment" in BlackLight Power.


So, let's make sure we understand the relevant definition of "independent". For his master's thesis, Jansson is able to get samples of the "hydrino compounds" that Mills makes, and he confirms they have unusual properties. Then, in 1997, Jansson "confirms" Blacklight's energy scheme and says he is considering investing money in Blacklight.

Eleven years goes by after Jansson says he wants to put money into it, and then.... ta-da... Jansson again "confirms" Blacklight's technology.

I guess we'll hear from him again in another eleven years.

Here's an extra question for experts:

Just what, exactly, did the company in New Mexico license, what are they building, and how much is the license worth?

I can enter into a license with you tomorrow under which the terms are "If you use my technology, I'll let you do it for free." That provides me with the ability to say I've entered into a licensing agreement with you. As you'll notice, there is nothing said about what was licensed, for how much, or for what purpose.




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cosmik debris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-15-08 12:09 PM
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9. If this guy was on the level
All he would have to do is move to a state like Texas where the energy companies are required to buy electricity produced by small producers.

He could set up one of his prototypes in his back yard and watch the money roll in.

He'd be laughing all the way to the bank. His bank balance would be the only outside verification needed.

Why do you suppose that a smart fellow like that hasn't started making money already?
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