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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 08:44 AM
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Tories plan £20bn 180mph rail link instead of Heathrow third runway
A third runway at Heathrow airport would be scrapped by a Tory government that would instead build a £20bn TGV-style high speed rail link between London, Birmingham, Manchester and Leeds.

In one of David Cameron's boldest moves on the environment, the party will today unveil plans to cut 66,000 flights a year from Heathrow by tempting passengers on to the first new rail line north of London in more than a century.

Theresa Villiers, the shadow transport secretary, told the Guardian last night: "This is a seriously green decision. A few years ago it would have been inconceivable for the leader of the Conservative party to say no to a third runway and putting the brakes on Heathrow expansion."

The announcement, on the second day of the party's conference in Birmingham, is designed to show that the party has not abandoned its "Vote Blue, Go Green" agenda in the face of the economic downturn. Gordon Brown has warned that some Tory green plans would jeopardise economic development, but Cameron hopes to blunt any Labour attack by outlining detailed plans to tempt airline passengers on to the railways.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/sep/29/toryconference.transport


Contrast this with Labour's position:

Third runway at Heathrow ‘is a done deal’ - even though public consultation goes on

Ministers are pressing ahead with plans for a highly controversial third runway at Heathrow and intend to approve the expansion before Christmas, The Times has learnt. Although the Government is still sifting through tens of thousands of public submissions on the airport’s proposed expansion, it is understood that senior figures have already decided to sanction it.

Transport sources told The Times that the Government was determined to make the third runway happen, despite widespread opposition from the environmental lobby and the possibility of an independent review delaying the project.
...
However The Times understands that Ruth Kelly, the Transport Secretary, strongly supports the proposal and is likely to make the announcement in its favour as early as November.

The news comes despite growing efforts by environmental groups and West London residents to thwart the project. The European Union has also expressed concern that a third runway could breach pollution targets.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/transport/article4806137.ece


So, Labour is now the party that wants to ram through the policies that big business wants, whatever the public thinks, and what it might do to the environment; and the Conservatives want to spend public money on an infrastructure project that is greener. The world is upside down.

One thing: Ruth Kelly won't be announcing anything as Transport Secretary in November: she announced her imminent resignation 2 days after that 2nd article was written, to 'spend more time with her family'. No replacement has been announced yet.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 08:52 AM
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1. Ruth Kelly
Thought she was doing a runner.

Only thing good about her is her lunch.

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enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 10:23 AM
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2. Interesting article from 2 years ago on the subject of rail.
Edited on Mon Sep-29-08 10:25 AM by enlightenment
Focusing directly on the short-haul flights. Remember, this was written in 2006.

http://www.uecna.eu/spip.php?article20

One interesting comparison (apologies, I don't feel like messing with making a table for the data):

<snip>
The research compared train and air times to the destinations. (we added a 1.5 hour check-in time for domestic flights ; 2 hours for European flights - though the check-in time is likely to be less for passengers coming to Heathrow ; also for passengers transferring to these short-haul flights from other flights at Heathrow) ; and the required half hour for Euro Star travellers. We did not include journey times to and from the stations or airports. Nor did we compare fare levels because of the huge variation there is for both air and rail fares).

Location/ Flights per Day/ Time by Plane/ Time by train

Paris/ 60/ 3hrs/ 3hrs
Amsterdam/ 50/ 3.25hrs/ 8hrs*
Edinburgh/ 40/ 2.5hrs/ 4.75hrs
Manchester/ 36/ 2.5hrs/ 2.5hrs
Brussels/ 30/ 3.25hrs/ 2.75hrs
Glasgow/ 28/ 2.75hrs/ 5.75hr
Newcastle/ 12/ 2.75hrs/ 3.15hrs
Leeds/Bradford/ 10/ 2.5hrs/ 2.5hrs
Rotterdam/ 6/ 3.25hrs/ 7hrs*
Durham Tees Valley/ 6/ 2.5hrs/ 3.25hrs

* times will be reduced by about 2 hours when the high-speed link from Brussels to Amsterdam is complete)


edited to add link to the full report in PDF: http://www.hacan.org.uk/resources/reports/short.haul.flights.clogging.up.heathrows.runways.pdf
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