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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 10:14 PM
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It's time to play EVERYONE's favorite game: Debunk the Denier!


Now I told this guy EXACTLY what I thought.

What do y'all think?

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ThoughtCriminal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 01:05 AM
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1. They're having a hard time making up their minds
Simultaneously arguing:
1) Warming is not caused by green house gases, it is caused by increased solar activity!
2) NO wait!... Solar activity is decreasing! We need greenhouse gases to prevent an ice age!
3) There is no climate change.
4) Climate change is Good!
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Howzit Donating Member (918 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 01:27 AM
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2. Yes. What's up with this?
"As a contributor to the IPCCs 2007 report, I share the Nobel Peace Prize with Al Gore. Yet I and many of my peers in the British House of Lords - through our hereditary element the most independent-minded of lawmakers - profoundly disagree on fundamental scientific grounds with both the IPCC and my co-laureates alarmist movie An Inconvenient Truth, which won this years Oscar for Best Sci-Fi Comedy Horror.

Two detailed investigations by Committees of the House confirm that the IPCC has deliberately, persistently and prodigiously exaggerated not only the effect of greenhouse gases on temperature but also the environmental consequences of warmer weather.

My contribution to the 2007 report illustrates the scientific problem. The reports first table of figures - inserted by the IPCCs bureaucrats after the scientists had finalized the draft, and without their consent - listed four contributions to sea-level rise. The bureaucrats had multiplied the effect of melting ice from the Greenland and West Antarctic Ice Sheets by 10."

From your link: http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=22430

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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 04:58 AM
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3. Monckton is "an international business consultant" and ...
... "a former adviser to UK prime minister Margaret Thatcher".

He is a hereditary peer - the third Viscount Monckton of Brenchley - and
has been described as "one of the aristocratic treasures of the British
Empire". His major claim to fame is from creating the "Eternity puzzle"
in 1999.

Other gems from his political career (1982-1986) include advice on:
- warship hydrodynamics
- psephological modeling (predicting the result of the 1983 General
Election to within one seat)
- embryological research
- public-service investment analysis (leading to savings of tens of
billions of pounds)
- public welfare modeling (his model of the UK tax and benefit system
was, at the time, more detailed than the Treasury's economic model,
and led to a major simplification of the housing benefit system)

(Anyone with knowledge of Britain during the Thatcher years knows
exactly how the "savings" and "simplifications" were made.)

Guess *why* he sides with the big-money denial business?

> the economic cost of trying to mitigate climate change by trying to
> cut our emissions through carbon trading and other costly market
> interferences would far outweigh any possible climatic benefit.

What a blatant sell-out of our children's lives for ready cash today.

There are a lot of suitable names for this behaviour (and for the
supporters of such people) but the most frustrating thing about it is
that there is a chance that they will die rich & comfortable while the
people whose future they are condemning will suffer slowly & painfully.
If there was any justice in the world, those positions would be reversed.

> The shore-dwellers of Bali need not fear for their homes.
> ...
> My fellow-participants, there is no climate crisis. The correct policy
> response to a non-problem is to have the courage to do nothing.

:grr:
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Dead_Parrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 07:57 AM
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4. Strictly speaking...
Edited on Wed Mar-26-08 08:01 AM by Dead_Parrot
...it is going down, slightly. That why we had all1 those dire warnings of an an ice-age "possibly within the next century" during the 70's.

Yes, we are in an interglacial period; Yes, we are on a Milankovich down-swing; Yes, average solar irradiance is getting marginally less; and yet: Yes, it is getting a damn sight hotter.

The Sun ain't the only think at work on our climate, me thinks.

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1 Both.
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-26-08 08:54 PM
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5. FIWDIB
I agree with you but I'm currently overcome with a strong feeling of
"Fuck it, why do I bother ...?"

The only thing that keeps me positive is my desire to leave my children
a planet that is not only habitable but sustainable.

The main thing that keeps me negative is the overflowing majority of
people who think that whatever is on television is "reality" and whatever
"they" say is "fact". Time to take another tablet ...
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