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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 07:04 AM
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Reactor suppliers are perplexed and confused by gag order
http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/349571

Ontario clamping lid on bids for nuclear reactor

Four suppliers interested in construction contract say they are `perplexed' and confused by gag order

Mar 22, 2008 04:30 AM
Tyler Hamilton
Energy Reporter

All four nuclear-reactor suppliers invited to bid on the construction of a new nuclear power plant for Ontario signalled this week that they plan to participate, though a communications ban on their involvement could undermine the government's promise of a transparent process.

Federally owned Atomic Energy of Canada Ltd. and foreign suppliers Areva NP, Westinghouse Electric and GE-Hitachi Nuclear Energy met with government officials on Wednesday to discuss the ground rules and kick-start an eight-month contest through which a winner will be chosen.

"We did have an indication of preliminary interest from all four," said Diane Flanagan, a spokesperson for Infrastructure Ontario, the agency leading the selection process.

Energy Minister Gerry Phillips promised transparency when the process was announced. But the request for proposals document issued March 7 puts a muzzle on all four suppliers, forbidding any employee or representative from communicating with the media or making comment in public forums about "their own qualifications, interest in or participation in the RFP process without Infrastructure Ontario's prior written consent."

Officials from all four companies told the Toronto Star that the broad communications ban is both surprising and confusing.

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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 08:52 PM
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1. Sounds like Cheney's expanding into Canada ... nt
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 09:19 PM
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2. It is unsurprising that fundie anti-nukes are unfamiliar with competitive bidding.
In general, in almost all major business transactions, customers do not inform each potential supplier of the details of their competitor's bid.

If the contractors get together with one another to discuss their bids there is a word for that in US law. It's called "Trust," and if prices are discussed, "price fixing."

People go to jail for this practice.

I note that ADM had several executives go to jail for price fixing with Ajinomoto over lysine prices in the 1990's.

Zero fundie anti-nukes called for the banning of biofuels because the world's major subsidized biofuel raw material provider - that would be ADM - went to jail for price fixing.

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bananas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 10:15 PM
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3. LOL - Fundie anti-nuke reactor suppliers are perplexed and confused by competitive bidding!
:rofl:
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leftupnorth Donating Member (657 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 10:31 PM
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4. It's just a festival of weirdo riduculousness, isn't it?
:rofl:
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NNadir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-24-08 10:48 PM
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5. Probably.
Dumb ass fundie anti-nukes have been raising stupid points to obstruct the world's largest climate change gas free form of energy for several decades now.

This artificial constraint, fostered by pathetic ignorance, has not prevented nuclear power from becoming the world's largest, by far, form of climate change gas free energy. Thus reactor suppliers have not participated in as many bidding contests as they would have done in a rational world.

Frankly I don't think Canada should bid competitively on these reactors. I believe that they should simply order the AECL reactor, since heavy water technology is a key technology for slowing the climate change abyss.

If Canada builds one reactor of course, they will immediately outstrip the entire supply of new solar energy on the planet, and this is true no matter how much public subsidy money is shoveled at the solar industry, which cannot, on the entire planet add as much capacity as a single gas plant, never mind a nuclear plant.

I believe in strong nuclear subsidies, TVA style. The CANDU-3 is Canadian technology, excellent technology allowing for on line fueling and thorium based flux flattening fuel that will make the CANDU in effect have a breeding ratio greater than one. This is a key to humanity's future.

I don't believe in a level playing field for all reactors. In fact, I favor outright government purchase of nuclear power plants on an emergency basis by governments around the world. I note that in dollars per exajoule, nuclear energy is by far, the cheapest form of energy on the planet and thus will afford citizens the greatest return on their tax dollars.

But, all that aside, from the number of dumb fundie specious objections from the anti-nuke cult, the anti-nuke fundie dickheads seem to not believe themselves. For almost three decades, beginning with the dumb fundie greenwasher Amory Lovins, the anti-nuke community has been predicting that nuclear power would go away because - get this for dumb fundie religious thinking - economic reasons.

For instance, here is the words of the dumb fundie car culture Walmart owned anti-nuke fundie Amory Lovins from 1980:

In fact, the global nuclear power enterprise is rapidly disappearing. De facto moratoria on reactor ordering exist today in the United States, the Federal Republic of Germany, the Netherlands, Italy, Sweden, Ireland, and probably the United Kingdom, Belgium, Switzerland, Japan and Canada. Nuclear power has been indefinitely deferred or abandoned in Austria, Denmark, Norway, Iran, China, Australia and New Zealand. Nuclear power elsewhere is in grave difficulties. Only in centrally planned economies, notably France and the U.S.S.R., is bureaucratic power sufficient to override, if not overcome, economic facts.


Now in science one does predictions and in religion one asserts dogma. Given that Sam's Club Amory wrote this in 1980 (Lovins, Lovins and Ross, Foreign Affairs Summer 1980 page 1138) one wonders why 27 years later, dumb fundie anti-nukes find it still necessary to assert this bit of delusional perception about nuclear economics.

Over at another website where I write, I was discussing the "death of nuclear power" with a guy who works at the South Texas nuclear plant. He told me that STP just produced continuous power at 1.75 cents per kwh, busbar.

Now, I recognize that there are a lot of dumb fundie anti-nukes who not only can't understand shit about science, or for that matter, economics, but the economic implications are clear.

One wonders, of course, why dumb shit fundie anti-nukes who were only a few years ago announcing that another nuclear plant would never be built anywhere have so wedgies up their pathetic little butts about new nuclear construction.

One would think that they'd all go over to their pal's mom's estate, get loaded under the dining room table with Mom's "Coffee Brandy," and post dumb smileys on the internet that prove once and for all, that nuclear power is dead.

Meanwhile, on planet Earth:

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/international/iealf/table27.xls

In the meantime, little dumb ass fundie anti-nukes will continue to tout articles dragged around by equally illiterate reporters.
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Ordr Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 07:41 AM
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6. I think I'm in love...
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 09:41 AM
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7. Without taxpayer/government subsidies, Nnew-cue-lur energy is cost-prohibitive.
And that's BEFORE the discussion about spent fuel (though the military seems to have found a partial solution in spreading it all over the ME), or the transportation and long-term (it doesn't get any longer) storage of low level radioactive, highly toxic waste. Isn't there even a slight variation to that tune you've been singing?

Nnobody believes the Nnaysayers. I wasn't even anti-nuke until I started reading your drivel, now I'm in the "anything but" camp.

Wow, I guess you are, in fact, persuasive.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-25-08 09:50 AM
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8. LOL!!!111
It doesn't get better than this...

:rofl:
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