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abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 05:41 PM
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Beware The Ice Age Cometh: Hackers Prove Global Warming Is A Scam
Beware The Ice Age Cometh: Hackers Prove Global Warming Is A Scam

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/11/hack... now official. Much of the hype about global warming is nothing but a complete scam.

Thanks to hackers (or an insider) who broke into The University of East Anglia's Climatic Research Unit (CRU) and downloaded 156 megaybytes of data including extremely damaging emails, we now know that data supporting the global warming thesis was completely fabricated.

Inquiring minds are reading Hacked: Hadley CRU FOI2009 Files on The Reference Frame by Lubo Motl, a physicist from the Czech Republic.

(more at link)

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Once respected for at least being able to forecast economic developments Mike Shedlock joins the ranks of conspiracy loving boobs declaring climate change a scam. Look for him soon in the nutcase hall of fame next to Orly Taitz and Lyndon LaRouche.
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 05:44 PM
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1. It's nice to see that truth is no barrier to the denialist.
They'll get their fifteen minutes, I guess. Won't have the slightest effect on the science, though.
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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 06:04 PM
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3. Who's really in denial now?
I'd say that the deniers now are those who reject out of hand this hard proof that the basis of global warming claims is rooted in an extremely limited set of data that is rife with deliberate fraud.
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Chemisse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 07:20 PM
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5. So we would believe the hackers over our scientists?
How do we even know they are actually the scientists' emails?
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abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 07:39 PM
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7. Found this little gem on Huffingtonpost:


Climate Depot is powered by CFACT:

'On its website tracking grants to groups, the conservative Capital Research Center listed CFACT as having received grants of $60,500 from Chevron between 1994 and 1998. (The CRC lists the grants comprising $16,000 in each of 1994, 1995 and 1996 and $12,500 in 1998). The CRC also listed CFACT from having received $25,000 from DaimlerChrysler Corporation Fund $25,000 and a token $500 from the Ford Motor Company Fund.'

'ExxonMobil contributed $5,000 in each of 1997 and 1998.<8> Greenpeace's ExxonSecrets website adds that Exxon has contributed a further $577,000 between 2000 and 2007.'
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Committee_fo...


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Why am I not surprised?

I think deniers will get louder and more outrageous as we get closer to debating cap and trade.

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Chemisse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 08:04 PM
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10. The sad thing is the anti-climate people spout all this crap that is fed to them
Without any clue that they are being used as puppets by those who profit from our use of fossil fuels.

Such fools.
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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 11:44 PM
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18. You are making things up.
There is zero evidence of fraud. Why would you lie?
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FBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 01:03 PM
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23. There IS evidence of fraud.
What is lacking is PROOF of fraud. There is certainly enough evidence to be concerned.

The knee-jerk reaction on BOTH sides that either AGW is now disproven OR that there is "nothing to see here" is the error.
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 03:54 PM
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20. it's really amazing to watch the incredible leaps of logic that The Sheep are applying to all of
Edited on Mon Nov-23-09 03:55 PM by TheWatcher
this.

I have come to the conclusion after today that if the principle players being named here all held a joint news conference, on every network on the planet, confessed everything, most of the American Public would drool and still believe all the lies they are told.

America is in the terminal stages of a mental illness it cannot recover from.

This is where I get off.

This country doesn't want to be saved, and it doesn't want to be free.

It will get what it asks for and what it deserves.

Economically, Politically, and Spiritually.

Of COURSE most people will reject this out of hand.

They aren't capable of doing anything else.


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notesdev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 05:51 PM
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2. More along these lines...
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/09/29/yamal_scandal /

This farce is about to meet a sudden and inglorious end.
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abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 06:16 PM
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4. Yeah right
:eyes:
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abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 10:59 AM
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17. See this article
Edited on Sun Nov-22-09 11:00 AM by abelenkpe
Trick'n

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/11/22/806704/-Tr...

A common exercise in any intro statistic class is to split the students into two groups, one group flips a coin 100 times and records the results, another just makes 100 entries up off the top of their heads. The teacher then comes back, looks at the two lists, and usually identifies which is which with hardly a glance. How? The trick is the teacher knows that on the real list, there will be several sequences of four or five in a row of all heads or all tails, whereas on the other list students will tend to stick with a more heads-tails-heads-tails alternating approach.

Now, everyone knew what I meant just now when I wrote trick, right? Nothing deceitful, simply the method used to get an answer to a math problem. With that in mind, let's look at this 1999 email purporting to be evidence of fraud among some climate scientists:

"I've just completed Mike's Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (i.e., from 1981 onwards) and from 1961 for Keith's to hide the decline."

The email is one of thousands sent over a period of ten years by climate researchers and other scientists, journalists, lobbyists, and the occasional flake, stolen from a university network a few days ago. DeSmogBlog has more on the theft. Obviously, emails don't change the observed reality of human assisted climate change in the cryosphere and elsewhere. Nevertheless, climate change denialists have combed through them looking for anything they can pull out of context and pass off as evidence of a global conspiracy. They're getting some media mileage out of it. Even though, so far, the best they've been able to come up with is examples like the above.

(more at link)

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Climate change is not a farce. Those denying climate change always, always turn out to be funded by oil and corporations interested in misleading the public in an effort to thwart change.
Even if one were to ignore the vast amount of evidence that climate change exists, or felt that it wasn't man made and that nothing we do will change it it doesn't negate the fact that we are polluting our environment, making our air and drinking water toxic. Nor does it change the fact that this country needs to break it's dependence on foreign oil and resources and instead create sustainable energy sources. By pursuing green technology we will create jobs, clean up our environment and break our dependence on countries hostile to the US. How is that not a good thing?
There is no conspiracy to fake global climate change. There are however powerful entrenched interests unwilling to change or relinquish their power or profits. And it is these interests that are behind every claim that climate change is a conspiracy.
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FBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 01:08 PM
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24. A perfectly reasonable reading of "trick"...
Edited on Wed Nov-25-09 01:09 PM by FBaggins
...that completely fails to address the "to hide the decline".

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Birthmark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 11:47 PM
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19. I suppose you can hope.
The anti-evolutionists have been telling me for decades that Evolution is on its last legs. I have no doubt that denialists will be telling me that AGW is on its way out twenty years from now.

Both the denialists and the anti-Evolutionsits will still be wrong. :)
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 07:36 PM
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6. Hackers have proven no such thing. FAIL.
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abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 07:43 PM
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8. I agree!
I'm surprised by how many see this as proof global warming is a scam. Of course all who do are convinced that cap and trade and efforts to curtail pollution are evil leftist conspiracies destined to cost them something.

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abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-21-09 07:54 PM
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9. sourcewatch linky
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Committee_fo...

The Committee For A Constructive Tomorrow (CFACT) was founded in 1985. It does policy and lobbying work on the environment from a libertarian perspective. It touts itself as a conservative answer to the Public Interest Research Groups (e.g. NYPIRG, ConnPIRG et al.), progressive lobbying groups concerned with environmental issues.

(more at link)

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Bah! I hate libertarians. (And I don't mean social libertarians.)
I wish Ron Paul would fall into a black hole along with all his racist dimwitted followers.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 04:36 AM
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11. I often disagree with Mish..
Edited on Sun Nov-22-09 04:39 AM by girl gone mad
and this is no exception. Honestly, couldn't he have at least taken a few minutes to verify whether or not this information was coming from a legitimate source? Lubo Motl is an anti-global-warming zealot with no credibility. (From the grapevine: ) He was forced to resign from his professorship at Harvard because he spent all of his time picking fights with people on the internets instead of doing productive research or submitting papers for peer review. He's been called out by other scientists for a lack of understanding of fairly rudimentary concepts in statistics and even Physics (his field). He's an arrogant, abrasive and abusive personality hungry for attention and willing to fabricate, misquote, and distort information to promote his predetermined "scientific" opinions. The Glen Beck of the science community, if you will.

People criticize proponents of global warming for having a trust in the theory which approaches religious belief. Well, Motl is the flip side of that coin. He attacks climate change science with religious fervor, refusing to accept any data that contradicts his beliefs. He is simply not trustworthy when it comes to this topic.
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jakeXT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 05:42 AM
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12. Denninger has nice take on it
This, by the way, is exactly the (intentional) "error" that was made by the "ratings agencies" and banks when it came to securitized debt that had "less than fully-verified income and assets" as a component. Uncertainties on the reported income and assets were never determined from experimental sampling and carried through the computational process. If they had been then the outcomes that we have actually seen would have been predicted within the range of possible outcomes for this debt. Instead, the issued securities were rated "AAA" because the agencies did not apply an uncertainty to each of the alleged reported numbers. That's what happens when you ignore the scientific method - you put garbage into a computation, you get garbage back out and it is impossible for an outside observer to detect that you did so because you refuse to give him the uncertainties associated with your claimed "measurements"!

http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/1651-Global...


What are the rating agencies doing and why are they still in business ?
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 06:03 AM
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13. Well the page has been removed now
Wonder what that says?

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jakeXT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 07:15 AM
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14. Isn't Mish biased towards deflation and he can't wrap his head around inflation.
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abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 10:46 AM
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15. Yeah he's a deflationist.
He only sees what supports his views.
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abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-22-09 10:48 AM
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16. try this:
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/11/hack...


It initially said it wasn't there, but loaded up the second time.
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-23-09 08:13 PM
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21. Global warming rigged? Here's the email I'd need to see
To: The Knights Carbonic

Gentlemen, the culmination of our great plan approaches fast. What the Master called "the ordering of men's affairs by a transcendent world state, ordained by God and answerable to no man", which we now know as Communist World Government, advances towards its climax at Copenhagen. For 185 years since the Master, known to the laity as Joseph Fourier, launched his scheme for world domination, the entire physical science community has been working towards this moment.

The early phases of the plan worked magnificently. First the Master's initial thesis that the release of infrared radiation is delayed by the atmosphere had to be accepted by the scientific establishment. I will not bother you with details of the gold paid, the threats made and the blood spilt to achieve this end. But the result was the elimination of the naysayers and the disgrace or incarceration of the Master's rivals. Within 35 years the 3rd Warden of the Grand Temple of the Knights Carbonic (our revered prophet John Tyndall) was able to "demonstrate" the Master's thesis. Our control of physical science was by then so tight that no major objections were sustained.

More resistance was encountered (and swiftly dispatched) when we sought to install the 6th Warden (Svante Arrhenius) first as professor of physics at Stockholm University, then as rector. From this position he was able to project the Master's second grand law that the infrared radiation trapped in a planet's atmosphere increases in line with the quantity of carbon dioxide the atmosphere contains. He and his followers (led by the Junior Warden Max Planck) were then able to adapt the entire canon of physical and chemical science to sustain the second law.

Then began the most hazardous task of all: our attempt to control the instrumental record. Securing the consent of the scientific establishment was a simple matter. But thermometers had by then become widely available, and amateur meteorologists were making their own readings. We needed to show a steady rise as industrialisation proceeded, but some of these unfortunates had other ideas. The global co-option of police and coroners required unprecedented resources, but so far we have been able to cover our tracks.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cif-green/2009/...
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abelenkpe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-25-09 12:41 PM
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22. that is awesome nt
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