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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 05:54 PM
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"... we were told that the Stimulus bill would halt unemployment at 8%?"
Edited on Sun Aug-23-09 05:55 PM by Schema Thing

That's a quote from a Libertarian idiot on another forum. It's not true, is it?

Does anyone have a specific quote or data I can refute that statement with?
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 05:57 PM
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1. Don't be defensive -
that's one great big fault of liberals, immediately going into a defensive posture, assuming the speaker is right.

Screw that.

Ask that person to show you where he got that information.

Work from there.

Time to start adjusting attitudes, my friend. Put up or shut up - that's what you tell them when they make unfounded statements.

Watch what happens............................
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:02 PM
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5. Correct. I've been asking the crazy birthers
and death panelists (I just made that one up!) to prove what they are claiming. I keep throwing "he's gunna?" in their faces. "Show me" works great, too. Say it loud and firm and laugh in their faces often.
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:08 PM
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7. Exactly -
the mentality - and I see it far too often around here, as in the OP - is "Help me so that I can refute what ******* is saying, please!"

Why the hell should you refute anything? As if their claims have any validity?

Bullshit.

Prove it.

Show me where you got that information, and it had better be a viable and reliable source.

If you can't prove it, screw off. You're a liar and a cheat, and nothing you say is of any value.

THAT is how liberal should be handling these thugs. But, man, it kills me to see this, over and over, this supplication, this "Help me," this nonsense, when they should be standing up to these morons by throwing their mindless and groundless allegations right back at them.

I'm sick of liberals rolling over and playing dead, dammit.....................
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marketcrazy1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 06:37 PM
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18. AP article 6/30/09
To boost support for his stimulus, Obamas economic team released a report that estimated unemployment wouldnt rise above 8 percent with a stimulus package, according to Associated Press. Even without a stimulus, Obamas team echoed the CBO claim that the economy would shed 3-4 million more jobs, reaching 9 percent unemployment by 2010............. that is in fact what we were told, that with the stimulus package we could hold unemployment at 8 percent, nothing to argue about. it is what it is..
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MellowOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 07:13 PM
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19. A report release today
puts the unemployment at 10% at the end of this year.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 08:21 PM
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 01:04 AM
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16. Wow, you convinced me!..
..to hit alert. Goodbye, loser.
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:15 PM
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8. I did say "it's not true, is it?"
Edited on Sun Aug-23-09 06:20 PM by Schema Thing
I thought that expressed anything but a position of "assuming the speaker is right".

for one thing, this douchebag is NEVER right, the only variation is whether or not he's wrong because he's wrong, or he's wrong because he's lying. I've come to believe he's usually (and in this case) wrong because he's outright lying or obfuscating.
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 07:43 PM
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12. Good, well done -
but you're far more polite than I'd have been.

"Prove that statement" has always worked for me.

But, NEVER defend when you should be on the offensive. It just empowers those nitwits and gives them the confidence to keep spreading their crap.

They're all liars, all of them. Never forget that.........................
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 05:57 PM
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2. Foretelling the future is shaky.
Never believe it.


:think:
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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 05:59 PM
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3. ...we were also told that Saddham Hussein had WMDs.
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:00 PM
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4. No - the hope was to keep it below 10% but it was more a guarantee of it going higher
if we didn't act then if we did.
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JonQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:04 PM
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6. True
according to their initial predictions.

Unemployment would peak at just under 8% with the stimulus bill, well over 9% without it.



That's one source I found, apparently the new york times had it first.
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Schema Thing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:18 PM
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10. gaah!
Edited on Sun Aug-23-09 06:19 PM by Schema Thing

Damn! I hate that.


But that's what I was looking for. Thank you.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:16 PM
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9. I saw a poll a couple days ago, I think only
27% actually think the Stimulus Bill has done any good. I know it has helped because I receive $25 more in my unemployment, my unemployment has been extended and while I am on unemployment I can get an 80% tax credit on heath insurance. But I am still on unemployment and the employment picture doesn't appear to be improving!
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Coyote_Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 07:29 PM
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11. I'm glad
that the Stimulus Bill helped someone. I'm long term unemployed. It didn't do shit for me.
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 07:57 PM
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13. the cash for shitty cars program helped my daughter...
she will have worked 20 days in a row by this saturday because the orders her company has received. sundays are optional at 26 an hour and she`s averaged 960 gross. another couple of weeks they`ll be done to 46-48 hours a week
the local gm/toyota/nisson dealer sold over 40 cars during the cash for shitty cars program....
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OllieLotte Donating Member (495 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 11:56 AM
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17. My concern is for the next couple of months.
I'm afraid that anyone that had an interest in purchasing a car has just done so. I can see the next 1-4 months a being tough in the auto industry. I don't know what percentage of the economy is driven by the auto industry, but I could invision a pullback.
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Xenotime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-26-09 11:36 AM
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20. You are aware that the C4C money is taxable, right?
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 12:21 AM
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15. I learned to tell them to do their own research
and then tell them that THEIR sources ar BS and to "try again and dig deeper".

It's impossible to reason with a conservative.

Facts don't penetrate them. "Why change a perfectly good opinion even if it's wrong?", they seem to say.
Conservatives are good at memorization and very trainable. They get praise and reward from external sources at school and the job. This is interpreted as, "If I know it, it must be good, must be right." Done deal once they have BS drubbed into their heads. They seem so confident and this is from society reinforcing them at every feat of memory or quickly learned skill.

They can recount every branch on every tree. But they can't see the forest, let alone an eco system.
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