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angryank Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 11:58 AM
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rules for time cards
A Hispanic friend told me that the wood mill he works at did away with punch cards, and now uses a roll call for clocking in and out. He's had discrepencies with his pay check, and I wonder if it's legal to do this? Juan says that everyone is on the new system, not just the laborers. But I have doubts on the legitimacy of this system.
The company is here in Little Rock, and they do things in a very backwoods manor. I was a manager there for 8 mos, but my northern idealism didn't fit in with them. I was well short of Unionizing, but a little too informative with my employees.
So my question is, can they do this?
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 12:01 PM
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1. Best to call your state Attorney General
Laws might differ around the country.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 12:40 PM
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2. The general rule on timekeeping is
that all employees in the same pay class are to be treated the same. It is up to the employer on how they want to track the hours. But each State does have their own rules on how this may be done.
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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 12:53 PM
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3. Truth is...
they can pretty much do anything they damn well want to.

They can use timesheets for hourly employees, but there may be something in the local law that says the employee has to acknowledge the sheet in some way, maybe by signing it. Somehow, I doubt Arkansas would require anything like that.

Not that it makes any difference, of course. The employer can deduct mealtimes, breaks, downtime, and all sorts of other stuff from the hours, and it's up to the employee to figure out how to file a complaint, and whether the job will still be there after the complaint is filed.

I used to program electronic timecard machines, and we stuck all sorts of stuff in there. Curiously, some of the stuff we put in there some of the companies around here refused to use.

"I'm not going to deduct time for that. I pay these people little enough as it is, and screwing them out of an hour a day just means the good ones will quit on me" was a common comment.

(I suspect it's not so common any more.)

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TreasonousBastard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 12:53 PM
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4. Truth is...
they can pretty much do anything they damn well want to.

They can use timesheets for hourly employees, but there may be something in the local law that says the employee has to acknowledge the sheet in some way, maybe by signing it. Somehow, I doubt Arkansas would require anything like that.

Not that it makes any difference, of course. The employer can deduct mealtimes, breaks, downtime, and all sorts of other stuff from the hours, and it's up to the employee to figure out how to file a complaint, and whether the job will still be there after the complaint is filed.

I used to program electronic timecard machines, and we stuck all sorts of stuff in there. Curiously, some of the stuff we put in there some of the companies around here refused to use.

"I'm not going to deduct time for that. I pay these people little enough as it is, and screwing them out of an hour a day just means the good ones will quit on me" was a common comment.

(I suspect it's not so common any more.)

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angryank Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-16-03 02:27 PM
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5. Thanks
to all. as they say down here, " 'preciate ya"
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-19-03 08:54 PM
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6. Clocking in
Where I work my supervisor requires us to send her an email when we get in. This acts as a defacto time card because it has a time stamp. At first she was pretty hard core that it had to be within two minutes BEFORE our start time or exactly at our start time. However once she got accustomed to the computer system and realized that some computers don't boot up as quickly as others she now allows us three minutes past our start times.

I don't like it and when she first instituted this rule I went to the Internet and would translate my "I'm here" message into various languages. Hoping it would tick her off only to find that she found it amusing and anticipated the next day's message in a foreign language.

This is why every job should be a union job. It is not a good situation when either side has too much control.

MJ
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