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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 05:24 PM
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The Myth that Dean can't do well with African-Americans
This is another argument that Dean supporters like to use. Yet there is little evidence to back it up. I'm certain that Dean has work to do in the minority community and to his credit he has been doing extensive reaching out.

It has paid off in high profile endorsements from such influential African-American leaders as Jesse Jackson, Jr., Major Owens, Sheila Jackson-Lee (the vice-chair of the CBC) Elijah Cummings (Chair of the CBC) among others. Dean has also been endorsed by 18 of 21 members of the black majority DC City Council.

The first real test of how Dean can do with African-Americans will be when South Carolina votes. The recent Pew Poll of voter sentiment in South Carolina has some intersting results.

Pew has Edwards leading with 16% with several candidates very closely crunched for the follow up spot: Clark 11%, Gephardt 10%, Lieberman 9%, Sharpton 8%, Dean 7%, Kerry 3%, Braun 2%, and Kucinich 1%. 33% are undecided.

That is the overall totals now here are how the leading candidates do among white and black voters

Edwards 19% (w) 13% (b)
Clark 14% (w) 6% (b)
Gep 9% (w) 11% (b)
Lieberman 11% (w) 7% (b)
Sharpton 2% (w) 15% (b)
Dean 8% (w) 6% (b)
Kerry 4% (w) 1% (b)
Braun 1% (w) 4% (b)

Among black voters in SC Sharpton leads, but barely with 15% and Edwards is close behind with 13%. Gep attracts 11%, Lieberman 7% and Clark and Dean both get 6%. Braun 4% and Kerry 1% with Kucinich not registering.

http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=198

What does this tell us? That nobody has a lock on the African-American vote at this time. The two African-American candidates in the race themselves attract under 20% of the black vote. Dean is doing as well with African-Americans as Gen. Clark and Lieberman and only slightly less well than Gephardt.

It is also interesting that Dean does about as well with African-Americans in SC as he does with whites. 8% support among whites and 6% with black voters.

*Besides this recent polling out of Maryland indicates that Dean has a 2-1 lead among democrats in the primary in a state where a significant minority of state Democratic primary voters are African-American.

*Dean also leads among Democratic primary voters in Virginia which has a strong minority population. You have to imagine that a good share of these voters are black.

*Dean leads for the DC primary which is majority African-American. According to a recent poll (of the four candidates who will be on ballot for that primary) Dean leads Sharpton 45-11 percent.
http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/1103/111800.html

*Dean has been endorsed by one of the biggest unions which represent minority employees: The Service Employees International Union (SEIU)and this came after ballots of employees indicated that he was the top choice of the rank and file.

Dean has work to do in the minority community and he is doing it. But from what it looks like to me, no major candidate has yet struck a deep chord with African-Americans the way Jimmy Carter or Bill Clinton did. But in the end, I feel confident that our nominee whether it is Dean or someone else will get strong backing among African-Americans against one of the most anti-minority presidents ever. But he will have to work for it, and Howard Dean most certainly is.

by the way here is an excellent site:
http://www.africanamericansfordean.com/blog/
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cigarstore Donating Member (105 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 05:27 PM
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1. Well, here's one who's not happy with him
Me!
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xultar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 05:27 PM
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2. I just wanna know if you are black?
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 05:33 PM
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3. no
but I think I have a right to address this since some other campaigns want to claim that Dean has little support in the minority community. I'm not saying he doesn't have work to do, but it seems that all the candidates do. Kerry is doing far worse in SC among African-Americans than Dean and Clark is running even with Dean. It seems like many african-americans have not yet made a decision, so it is up in the air.
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maxr4clark Donating Member (639 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 05:50 PM
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5. African American endorsements

Kerry has been endorsed by Ford of Tennessee. As a Deanie told me on this blog, Ford is not necessarily a good representative of the African-American community at large.

Dean was endorsed by the leader of the Congressional Black Caucus, I think. I don't think Dean has much of a record on African-American issues in Vermont, does he?

Clark has been endorsed by Andrew Young (a civil rights leader), and today by Sen. Rangel of New York, in Harlem. Frankly, I think Rangel's endorsement of Clark in Harlem means more to Harlem than Gore's endorsement of Dean there. Clark can point to the military's superb record for affirmative action. He probably also has a number of supporters from his Army days that would be eager to give personal stories on his behalf, there are some that post regularly on the Clark blog.

I'm Caucasian, but regardless of the Pew polls (which don't tell the same story as the American Research Group polls in SC), I think Clark clearly makes a more credible advocate for African Americans than any of the other Caucasian candidates, except maybe Edwards?

I don't know diddly about how Edwards fares on issues African Americans care about. Edwards' supporters, any comments?
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SahaleArm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 08:21 PM
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8. Dean got the endorsement of Jesse Jackson, Jr.
Not the head of the CBC.
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ariesgem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 01:52 PM
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17. I'm African American and
I'll be looking forward to a Dean/Bush match-up but will give support any dem candidate on the ticket.

If you can't imagine that African Americans cannot possibly support Dean,why don't you visit www.africanamericansfordean.com or www.blacksfordean.com. You'll find alot of supporters there.

Go Dean!

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DinkyDem Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 05:47 PM
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4. Well there was that whole Confederate Flag incident
that I just don't think Dean can spin his way out of with the anyone but his own choir, and then there was this:

''While the address was billed as a major speech on race, only a handful of the audience members were black. The pre-printed signs, "African-Americans for Dean," were held by white supporters.``

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0312080163dec08,1,5661319.story

Between nominating Dean and turning our backs on Sharpton and Mosley-Braun, I'm afraid we Democrats are going to lose the black vote. Afterall, the Republicans have some very high-profile and respected African Americans in their ranks.

We need to correct this now!
Sharpton is moving up on national polls and is now competitive with Kerry. Perhaps we should start supporting him and hope everyone just forgets Angry Dean and his Confederate Flag sticker and shotgun rack.

He sorta scares me.


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goobergunch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 06:14 PM
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6. Such as?
Edited on Thu Dec-11-03 06:14 PM by goobergunch
Afterall, the Republicans have some very high-profile and respected African Americans in their ranks.

I don't know who you're talking about. :shrug:
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DinkyDem Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-03 06:32 PM
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7. How about
Colin Powell and Condi Rice?

Playing ignorant isn't going to get us anywhere.
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Jerseycoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 12:40 AM
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9. I don't think
Elijah Cummings has endorsed yet. But I agree no candidate has connected with the black vote so far. Situation fluid.

:dem:
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goobergunch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 08:06 AM
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10. Cummings has endorsed Dean
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 11:33 AM
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13. Arg! You beat me to it!
Pretty cool news
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Very Good Dem Donating Member (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 11:57 AM
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15. No he hasn't
While the site you cite does indeed say that, Cummings has NOT endorsed Dean.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 09:29 AM
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11. Edwards got elected to the Senate practically BECAUSE of his support among
the black community.

Other than Sharpton, perhaps, he is the only politician who owes his career to the support of the black community (and he has led in the senate with that community's interests foregrounded). Including Sharpton, I don't think there's a candidate running who has received as many AA votes as Edwards. That's why Edwards is doing so well in SC.
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 09:42 AM
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12. this is true
and I'm not saying that Dean has a natural gift with the black community that someone like Edwards who represents a state with many black voters does have. But he is working on it and he is making head-way. My main point is that so far no one has really excited the black base of the party.
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Very Good Dem Donating Member (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 11:52 AM
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14. Good post . . . but one correction
Edited on Fri Dec-12-03 11:54 AM by Very Good Dem
Elijah Cummings has not endorsed Dean. He hasn't endorsed anyone else either, but please be accurate.
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-12-03 12:06 PM
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16. I guess I jumped the gun
you are correct, he has gotten an unofficial endorsement which has been publicized but according to ABC News: The Note on Saturday in Atlanta he will receive the official endorsement: "ABC news has learned the former Vt governor will get the official nod of Rep. Elijah Cummings, Chairman of the Congressional Black Caucus."

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/TheNote/TheNote.html

listed towards the end of the section labeled DEAN.
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