Nader in 2000

[douginmarshall]

I'm looking for the poll results that break down who voted for Ralph Nader in the 2000 election. Number of Democrats and republicans.

[brainshrub]

1. Is Nader running in 2004?

[genius]

2. Nader cost us New Hampshire and West Virginia.

Let's not make the same mistake in 2004. Let's run Kucinich so Nader will stay off the ballot.

[NNadir]

3. Let's run Kucinich as the Green?

Kucinich would make an excellent candidate for the Green Party, which is where I expect he'll end up.

The Democrats, though generally define a victory as being something more than 2%.

How is it that people care so much more about Nader/Kucinich/Greens than they do about Perot? Perot got a factor of 6 times as large a vote as did Nader, and Perot was a complete ass. I for one don't really care what the Greens do and I'm certainly NOT going to advocate that the Democrats shoot themselves in the foot by chasing after their self absorbed votes by nominating their boy Kucinich.

[GreenPartyVoter]

6. Dennis doesn't wish to be a Green and won't run on our

ticket. He's a big tent kind of guy.

[douginmarshall]

4. why I ask

While eating my Thanksgiving dinner I got into a debate with my sister, she voted Nader. She claims that Nader did not cost Gore the election because just as many republicans voted for Nader as Dems. I said that I found that hard to believe. What is the truth? Where can I get the Info?

[zorkpolitics]

5. Check out MSNBC 2000 Exit poll

There is a lot of 2000 exit polling data at:
http://www.msnbc.com/m/d2k/g/polls.asp?office=P&state=N1

On one question they asked:
If these were the only two presidential candidates, who would you vote for? (Bush got 49%, Gore 48%, and not voting 2%) Of those who picked Gore, 2% were Nader voters, of those who picked Bush, 1% were Nader voters, and about 1/3 of the not voting group were Nader voters.

So it looks like Gore would have gotten a net excess of about 20% of Nader votes, enough to clearly win FL (of course), but not any other state.

However, if more votes from Nader would go to Gore than Bush, why did Bush get more votes in the exit poll than Gore? Because, strangely (amazingly?), if Nader was not running, 2% of the Gore voters said they would have voted for Bush!

[GreenPartyVoter]

7. From GPUS.org

The Supreme Court Spoiled:
Al Gore won the 2000 election. George W. Bush became President when a biased US Supreme Court allowed election manipulation by Florida Republicans.

Al Gore Spoiled:
Gore ran a weak campaign with no clear message. He failed to defeat Bush in the debates and even lost his home state of Tennessee. Millions of Democrats voted for Bush compared to the few hundred thousand who voted for Nader.

Democratic Senators Spoiled:
When the Black Caucus challenged Bush’s election victory in January 2001, not one Democratic Senator stood up in support. Senate Democrats failed to push for an investigation of the Florida vote debacle.

The Democratic Party Spoiled:
For many years, Democrats never objected when officials removed African American and other voters from the voter rolls in Florida and other states. Why didn’t the Democrats sue when 90,000 Florida voters were disqualified earlier in 2000? Why were Democrats (including Gore) silent about disqualified votes in the weeks after the election?

Nothing in the US Constitution limits the number of political parties. Democracy means free participation, in the party of your choice.

Greens will continue to affect election outcomes - and sometimes win. But Greens have no power to steal votes from Democratic candidates, because no candidate owns anyone’s vote except for his or her own.

According to exit polls, Nader’s support came from Democrats, Republicans, independents, and many others. Many would not have voted for Gore if Nader hadn’t run, and some voters might not have voted at all.


Al From, chair of the Democratic Leadership Council, wrote in Blueprint Magazine (1-24-01) that according to their own exit polls, Bush would have beat Gore by one percentage point if Nader hadn’t run in 2000.

Vote your conscience and your hopes, not your fears!
Democracy means joining the party of your choice, and voting for candidates who best represent your interests and ideals.



Support Fair Elections!

Support Instant Runoff Voting (IRV)!
IRV allows voters to rank their first, second, and third choices on the ballot. IRV ensures that whoever wins the election has the support of a majority of voters. Many cities and towns have adopted IRV because it allows voters a real choice. Read more about IRV, Proportional Representation, and other democratic ways to reform our spoiled two-party, winner-take-all system, which bars people from representation and participation, at FairVote.org.

Support public financing of election campaigns!
‘Clean Election’ campaign laws in Maine, Massachusetts, and Arizona help candidates who don’t take contributions from corporate lobbies.

Support free air time and inclusion in public debates for all candidates! Voters have the right to know about all candidates whose names will appear on the ballot. Democracy means the power to make informed choices.

Repeal unfair election laws!
In many states, Democrats and Republicans have blocked other parties and candidates by passing antidemocratic ballot access laws. Some states have rules to disqualify voters whose votes they don’t want counted -- as we saw in Florida in 2000.

[democracyindanger]

8. Please explain

how you can be ABB and still push for a third-party candidacy? That'd be a neat trick.

[GreenPartyVoter]

9. Who says I am pushing for a third party candidate?

I am voting Dem this time as a means to get Bu$h out of the WH. I'm not thrilled about it (unless it's Dennis who gets the nod, then I am over the moon), but what am I going to do? There's not going to be any sort of meaningful election law reform between now and Nov.

All I can do is hope Dennis or Howard get in the Oval Office and institute IRV like they said they would.

[democracyindanger]

10. By posting

the Green Party screed, which blames 2000 on Democrats and the Supreme Court, repeats the canard that there's no difference between Democrats and Republicans and contains this wonderful line:

"Vote your conscience and your hopes, not your fears!
Democracy means joining the party of your choice, and voting for candidates who best represent your interests and ideals."

Simply put, "Vote Green!"

That said, I'm not doubting you're ABB, but posting the GP 'We didn't do it, and you should vote third party' stuff belies your intentions.

[GreenPartyVoter]

12. No,

it doesn't mean vote Green. It means vote for the person you want in office, be that Independent, Dem, Repub, Libertarian, Party of Golden Retriever lovers, whatever.

[jerryster]

11. Disagree w/ your sister

I don't have a link or anything, but I believe I read right after 2000 that the state where Nader got the most votes was none other than Florida. I just can't believe that people there who voted for him were evenly split between Gore and Bush. There were also reports of Nader's people in Florida yelling, " Come on, Al", when it looked like it was going to be so close. Those people REALLY pissed me off. If you can somehow, check the reports from Florida for 2000 (if you can live thru the horror again). Again, I absolutely am sure that Nader cost us the election.

[Doomsayer13]

13. Those Dems are conservative anyways

Techinically Dems still have many registered as remnants of the old Southnern Dixiecrat guard that simply haven't changed party yet. If we wanted the Bush Democrat vote we'd probably need to run further to the right, so pretty much these votes are done for.

I await the day when they'll be Dem voting Republicans for once.