Dean Supporters Writing to N.H. Residents (AP)

[dajabr]

July 29, 2003, 4:26 PM EDT


CONCORD, N.H. -- Personalized letters from fans of Howard Dean's presidential bid will be filling the mailboxes of New Hampshire voters next month.

The Democrat has asked supporters around the country to write to 40,000 New Hampshire residents urging them to consider the former Vermont governor and his candidacy.

"It's important for New Hampshire voters to hear about Governor Dean from fellow Americans who believe passionately in his campaign," said Dorie Clark, Dean's New Hampshire spokeswoman.

On Aug. 6, supporters will put pen to paper at 340 sessions organized through Meetup.com, which connects people with shared interests. The campaign collected names and addresses from voter registration records, then contacted voters to winnow the list to those who haven't committed to a candidate, Clark said.

http://www.newsday.com/news/politics/wire/sns-ap-dean-letters,0,4145255.story?coll=sns-ap-politics-headlines

[blm]

1. Borrowing from the fundies' playbook...

who got it from Moon's playbook.

[sfecap]

2. That was quick! Only 2 minutes!

n/t

[AmyStrange]

4. I know... it's funny hehehehe

who is this Moon character anyway? Not Reverand Sun Myung Moon?

And guess what? I heard last night from Dr Funk that he saw Dean smack a fish. What an evil, evil man,




Dave (AmyStrange.com)
http://www.SeattleActivist.org/MyLifeStory.html
DU (slang/ folklore) Glossary (Dictionary): http://DUG.SeattleActivist.org/
Index of WMD Articles: http://WMD.SeattleActivist.org/

Here are some excellent resources and timelines of quotes and interviews and newspaper article quotes documenting the different things Bush and Co did and said for the last two plus years concerning the war in Iraq and WMDs (and other fun things) from the Howard Dean Website---even if you're not a Dean Fan, these are still excellent resources:

The Bush Administration And WMDs: Then And Now:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer?pagename=bush_wmd_summary

Niger-Uranium Timeline:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer?pagename=niger_timeline

Bush and WMD: Assumptions vs. Reality:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/DocServer/TikTok_-_Bush_-_Iraq_-_Side_by_Side.pdf?docID=781

The Bush Administration and WMD: What did they know and when did they know it?:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/DocServer/TikTok_-_Administration_-_Iraq_Deception.pdf?docID=762

[DemBones DemBones]

5. Yes, *that* Moon. Long before anyone was talking about Dean,

blm was posting here about Moon and his ties to the Bushes.

[AmyStrange]

8. oh yeah that Moon is pure repub...

I used to be with them in the early eighties and they were pushing Reagan back then, because (and probably other reasons) they (repubs) were tough on Communism and Moon had been tortured while he lived in North Korea when he was younger---if I remember correctly,




Dave (AmyStrange.com)
http://www.SeattleActivist.org/MyLifeStory.html
DU (slang/ folklore) Glossary (Dictionary): http://DUG.SeattleActivist.org/
Index of WMD Articles: http://WMD.SeattleActivist.org/

Here are some excellent resources and timelines of quotes and interviews and newspaper article quotes documenting the different things Bush and Co did and said for the last two plus years concerning the war in Iraq and WMDs (and other fun things) from the Howard Dean Website---even if you're not a Dean Fan, these are still excellent resources:

The Bush Administration And WMDs: Then And Now:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer?pagename=bush_wmd_summary

Niger-Uranium Timeline:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer?pagename=niger_timeline

Bush and WMD: Assumptions vs. Reality:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/DocServer/TikTok_-_Bush_-_Iraq_-_Side_by_Side.pdf?docID=781

The Bush Administration and WMD: What did they know and when did they know it?:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/DocServer/TikTok_-_Administration_-_Iraq_Deception.pdf?docID=762

[blm]

9. one of their techniques

is to keep people in controlled settings and have them appeal to those they have known in their life, and talk about how great their life is now with Moon, Jesus, pick one. Except if the response isn't what they hoped, then they are to cut that person out of their life.

[AmyStrange]

10. Not true...

never saw this technique ever used... and I used to be a recruiter,





Dave (AmyStrange.com)
http://www.SeattleActivist.org/MyLifeStory.html
DU (slang/ folklore) Glossary (Dictionary): http://DUG.SeattleActivist.org/
Index of WMD Articles: http://WMD.SeattleActivist.org/

Here are some excellent resources and timelines of quotes and interviews and newspaper article quotes documenting the different things Bush and Co did and said for the last two plus years concerning the war in Iraq and WMDs (and other fun things) from the Howard Dean Website---even if you're not a Dean Fan, these are still excellent resources:

The Bush Administration And WMDs: Then And Now:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer?pagename=bush_wmd_summary

Niger-Uranium Timeline:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer?pagename=niger_timeline

Bush and WMD: Assumptions vs. Reality:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/DocServer/TikTok_-_Bush_-_Iraq_-_Side_by_Side.pdf?docID=781

The Bush Administration and WMD: What did they know and when did they know it?:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/DocServer/TikTok_-_Administration_-_Iraq_Deception.pdf?docID=762

[blm]

11. For who?

I know several former Moonie recruiters who say this is part of it. BTW, blm is short for bushlvsmoonies.

In my own family, the fundies sent letters out to everyone else. They also attend regular meetings where they work under strict guidelines always working to improve outreach.

[AmyStrange]

15. Not once...

did it ever happen under my watch. What was interesting was that one of my former recruits said the same thing to his family when he quit. The funny part was it never happened. He had decided himself to quit talking to his family, because he couldn't handle it. They were down on him, because they thought he had joined a cult like Jim Jones, which the Moonies are not. We (and everyone there at the time --- over 200 people, including one of Rev Moon's right hand man) tried to talk him out of it and keep in contact with his family, but he refused.

Dave (AmyStrange.com)

[AmyStrange]

16. By the way...

didn't Moon go to jail for tax evasion while either Reagan or Bush was President? They certainly did love him didn't they?

FROM: http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/religion/cult/sun-myung-moon/
"Not to mention mainstream church leaders, like our old friend Jerry Falwell. The man who called for Moon's "exportation" in 1978 was singing his praises years later. Falwell changed his tune after one of Moon's front organizations handed Liberty University $3.5 million and otherwise forgave tens of millions in debts so he could bail out his college in 1994. Later, Falwell reciprocated by appearing at various Unification Church events and called upon President Ronald Reagan to pardon Moon's felony conviction for tax evasion.

Oh, that. Well, it turns out that the messiah didn't want to pay his taxes. So he underreported his income by omitting $162,000 and hoped that either the Internal Revenue Service wouldn't notice, or his high-placed friends in the government would squelch any investigation. But the IRS did, and his friends didn't. Moon was convicted in 1982. He fought his conviction all the way to the Supreme Court and lost, after which he announced that God evidently wanted him to go to prison. In 1984 he finally submitted to God's will and spent the next 13 months in the clink. "


Dave (AmyStrange.com)

[blm]

20. They couldn't save his ass on that one...

it was too blatant, even though they more than made up for it by using him as a martyrlike figure for religious persecution as per Tim LaHaye himself.

He does control almost half this nation's fishing industry and most of the broadcast studios in the DC area. Nice.

[AmyStrange]

23. Don't get me wrong blm...

I don't agree with most of everything he believes in, but I do like the idea that eventually everyone gets to heaven (utopia or whatever you want to call it) and when you die and end up in hell you don't stay their forever. You can work your way out. Even the devil will eventually end up in heaven.

Or, something like that.

I'm sure there are other religions that say that, but the Unification Church was the first I ever ran across that did...




Dave (AmyStrange.com)
http://www.SeattleActivist.org/MyLifeStory.html
DU (slang/ folklore) Glossary (Dictionary): http://DUG.SeattleActivist.org/
Index of WMD Articles: http://WMD.SeattleActivist.org/

Here are some excellent resources and timelines of quotes and interviews and newspaper article quotes documenting the different things Bush and Co did and said for the last two plus years concerning the war in Iraq and WMDs (and other fun things) from the Howard Dean Website---even if you're not a Dean Fan, these are still excellent resources:

The Bush Administration And WMDs: Then And Now:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer?pagename=bush_wmd_summary

Niger-Uranium Timeline:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer?pagename=niger_timeline

Bush and WMD: Assumptions vs. Reality:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/DocServer/TikTok_-_Bush_-_Iraq_-_Side_by_Side.pdf?docID=781

The Bush Administration and WMD: What did they know and when did they know it?:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/DocServer/TikTok_-_Administration_-_Iraq_Deception.pdf?docID=762

[MercutioATC]

3. Which doesn't detract from the fact that it's STILL a good strategy...

.

[CMT]

6. well say what you will but it worked in Iowa

Last month we wrote to 30,000 undecided Iowans at Meetups and the results were very good. A Iowa poll a few days ago put Dean in a solid second in the state up from fourth place in March (with Gep leading in the state).

[Cha]

7. And?

[killbotfactory]

12. Writing handwritten letters to people... another conspiracy exposed!

Thanks blm, for that startling expose on the dangers of communication!

[w4rma]

28. blm, why don't you promote Sen. Kerry? You are really grasping at straws.

instead of smearing other Democratic candidates?

It seems to me like you are really grasping at straws with this most recent smear of yours.


Also, here is a good article on Rev. Moon:

Moon Shadow

With Help From Congressional Republicans And The Bush 'Faith-Based' Initiative, Controversial Korean Evangelist Sun Myung Moon Is Trying To Expand His Religious-Political Empire
...
Reading further, they would have found out that the ALC is a project of the American Family Coalition and The Washington Times Foundation – both front organizations for the Rev. Sun Myung Moon, a controversial Korean evangelist and founder of the Unification Church. The "faith-based summit" itself was sponsored by Watts (R-Okla.), Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) and other top congressional Republicans, but efforts to promote it at the grassroots level were turned over to a Moon organization.
...
http://www.au.org/churchstate/cs6013.htm

[quinnox]

13. Seems somewhat cultish

to me.

[killbotfactory]

17. Yeah, participating in democracy is cultish.

Jesus christ.

[maxanne]

14. it's a good grassroots technique

Last election cycle in NH we were all relentlessly hounded with phone calls - taped messages from candidates. It was obnoxious. A letter isn't going to annoy the shit out of you while you're trying to make dinner - it's not invasive.

I don't see it as being a bad idea. Not everyone in NH is hooked up to the internet.

The Dean campaign workers in this area are excellent. Smart, respectful, and shrewd. They came to a meeting I organized last night on the Patriot Act and asked for permission to leaflet. I couldn't let them do it inside - and they could not have been nicer. One guy stayed and helped us clean up.

[thom1102]

18. Wow, a nice story about Dean supporters,

Usually we eat babies and goose step through DU baseball bats, bashing all who stand in our way :eyes:

[AmyStrange]

19. Sorta gives creedence to my theory...

that it's Kerry supporters who are pretending to be Dean supporters on the campaign trail and causing trouble at Kerry rallies...



Dave (AmyStrange.com)
http://www.SeattleActivist.org/MyLifeStory.html
DU (slang/ folklore) Glossary (Dictionary): http://DUG.SeattleActivist.org/
Index of WMD Articles: http://WMD.SeattleActivist.org/

Here are some excellent resources and timelines of quotes and interviews and newspaper article quotes documenting the different things Bush and Co did and said for the last two plus years concerning the war in Iraq and WMDs (and other fun things) from the Howard Dean Website---even if you're not a Dean Fan, these are still excellent resources:

The Bush Administration And WMDs: Then And Now:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer?pagename=bush_wmd_summary

Niger-Uranium Timeline:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer?pagename=niger_timeline

Bush and WMD: Assumptions vs. Reality:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/DocServer/TikTok_-_Bush_-_Iraq_-_Side_by_Side.pdf?docID=781

The Bush Administration and WMD: What did they know and when did they know it?:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/DocServer/TikTok_-_Administration_-_Iraq_Deception.pdf?docID=762

[indigo32]

21. Yup and we're doing a food drive here in MPLS too

for a local foodshelf.

My only problem is my handwriting is very poor. Oh well. I actually got a letter back from one of the people I wrote to in Iowa :)

[LuminousX]

22. How ... cultish.

Dean supporters are organizing food drives and *gasp* leafletting - just like those krishna people at the airport!! Dean must be the next Jim Jones. Attention people, if you go to a Meetup, don't drink the kool-aid or eat the applesauce!!

[AmyStrange]

24. I heard he smacked a fish once...

Dr. Funk saw him do it once,





Dave (AmyStrange.com)
http://www.SeattleActivist.org/MyLifeStory.html
DU (slang/ folklore) Glossary (Dictionary): http://DUG.SeattleActivist.org/
Index of WMD Articles: http://WMD.SeattleActivist.org/

Here are some excellent resources and timelines of quotes and interviews and newspaper article quotes documenting the different things Bush and Co did and said for the last two plus years concerning the war in Iraq and WMDs (and other fun things) from the Howard Dean Website---even if you're not a Dean Fan, these are still excellent resources:

The Bush Administration And WMDs: Then And Now:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer?pagename=bush_wmd_summary

Niger-Uranium Timeline:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer?pagename=niger_timeline

Bush and WMD: Assumptions vs. Reality:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/DocServer/TikTok_-_Bush_-_Iraq_-_Side_by_Side.pdf?docID=781

The Bush Administration and WMD: What did they know and when did they know it?:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/DocServer/TikTok_-_Administration_-_Iraq_Deception.pdf?docID=762

[LuminousX]

25. Quick Question

Would this have any affect on you? I'm trying to think about the non-political people in my life and I think they would really take to heart handwritten letters (a rarity) they would get. It may not sway a vote, but it would go a long way in creating an image. You can bet that they would be sharing the letters with each other if simply to check to see if it was a form letter or not.

[MercutioATC]

26. I don't know if it would change my vote,

but it would make one hell of an impression on me that individuals were motivated enough about a candidate to do that.

[AmyStrange]

27. Think about the collector value...

I was at a meetup where we spent the first 30 minutes hearing the latest Dean news and instructions and the place was quiet and everyone was working hard on their letters. Some had six paragraphs and some had only two amd some needed two and three pages.

You can tell when people are just copying verbatim and writing their own thoughts. I saw a lot of people look up and stare while biting their pen and playing with their hair and then writing a little and then staring and biting and writing...






Dave (AmyStrange.com)
http://www.SeattleActivist.org/MyLifeStory.html
DU (slang/ folklore) Glossary (Dictionary): http://DUG.SeattleActivist.org/
Index of WMD Articles: http://WMD.SeattleActivist.org/

Here are some excellent resources and timelines of quotes and interviews and newspaper article quotes documenting the different things Bush and Co did and said for the last two plus years concerning the war in Iraq and WMDs (and other fun things) from the Howard Dean Website---even if you're not a Dean Fan, these are still excellent resources:

The Bush Administration And WMDs: Then And Now:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer?pagename=bush_wmd_summary

Niger-Uranium Timeline:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer?pagename=niger_timeline

Bush and WMD: Assumptions vs. Reality:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/DocServer/TikTok_-_Bush_-_Iraq_-_Side_by_Side.pdf?docID=781

The Bush Administration and WMD: What did they know and when did they know it?:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/DocServer/TikTok_-_Administration_-_Iraq_Deception.pdf?docID=762