Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Howard Dean & the Disabled, Welfare, and Work.

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Politics/Campaigns Donate to DU
 
Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 09:36 PM
Original message
Howard Dean & the Disabled, Welfare, and Work.
While Dean is supported as a social liberal, there are many questions that I ask myself, as a disabled citizen, about Deans record:

If you're thinking of voting for Howard Dean ...


After seven years as governor, the Associated Press described Dean
as "a moderate at best on social issues and a clear conservative on
fiscal issues." The news service added: "This is, after all, the
governor who has at times tried to cut benefits for the aged, blind
and disabled, whose No. 1 priority is a balanced budget."

When Dean officially announced his presidential campaign on June
23, some news stories identified him with the left. It's a case of
mistaken identity. "He's really a classic Rockefeller Republican --
a fiscal conservative and social liberal," according to University
of Vermont political scientist Garrison Nelson.

As a fiscal conservative, Dean is aligned with the status quo of
extreme inequities. That alignment was on display during a pair of
June 22 appearances.

In an interview on NBC's "Meet the Press," Dean delivered a one-two
punch against economic justice. He advocated raising the retirement
age for Social Security, and he called for slowing down the rate of
increases for Medicare spending.

http://www.uwrf.edu/pipermail/socwork/2003-June/027711.html

He battled Democrats to limit spending and balance the state budget, even pushing for cuts in human services programs such as benefits for the aged, blind and disabled.

He nominated tough-on-crime judges, most of them former prosecutors.

And he imposed work requirements on welfare recipients well before former President Bill Clinton did.As governor, some of his strongest supporters were Republican leaders in the business community

http://216.239.37.104/search?q=cache:9O970jLHx5EJ:www.uncle-scam.com/Breaking/june-03/day-6-25.pdf+%22Howard+Dean%22+%22Disabled%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

June 3, 2003 -- Charity Tensel: Healthcare for Whom?

How is that plan working in Vermont? Based on the number of children covered, if that is the measure of success, it's working pretty well. But, according to the Office of Vermont Health Access, "health care expenditure growth continues to be the major challenge for the program.” For the last two years Vermont has experienced revenue shortfalls. As a result, there have been cuts to the state's health insurance programs. What kind of cuts? Did they lower the income limit to only include those who lack the resources to insure their own kids, say, those in the bottom 40%? No, they cut services to Medicaid and other health programs for adults, including services to low-income disabled people receiving SSI and Social Security, who have no means to cover the lost services.

For example, in Vermont, Medicaid no longer covers eyeglasses, chiropractic care, and dentures for adults. They also cap dental care at $475 per year. That means a person who is disabled and unable to work will not be able to get eye exams and glasses, even if the glasses are needed for driving. That also means that a low-income person with chronic back pain that can be managed drug-free with chiropractic care will be forced to go to a medical doctor and likely be put on pain killers, even if that person is a recovering addict. That means that a disabled person in need of serious dental care costing more than $475 will have to have the teeth pulled, but will not be able to get dentures.

Social programs are intended for the most needy members of our society, the extremely low-income and the disabled. In order for former Governor Dean to brag about his successes in expanding health insurance to Vermont children, even those in families that are more than able to provide their own insurance, he has forgotten the most needy. Adults who are disabled through no fault of their own and are struggling to make the most of their life and people who have fallen on hard times and are trying to get back on their feet are stripped of their dignity when they lose their mobility, due to lack of proper eyewear, are forced to go toothless, or are left with no option other than addictive drugs to manage chronic pain. And this is touted as Dean's success because children who live in families with incomes in the second highest income quintile* are eligible for state health insurance.

Dean is trying to sell America a false dream that affordable health insurance can be provided by the government to a broad range of people at a relatively low cost. It's just not true. In order to preserve the illusion that it is not too costly, the most needy members of our society will pay dearly for it. Someone needs to tell Howard Dean that the welfare system is intended to help the most needy, those who have fallen on hard times and need a boost, the disabled, and the elderly. Instead, Dean wants to spread our limited resources thin and deny services to the truly needy. And I thought Democrats were supposed to be the compassionate ones.

http://www.opinioneditorials.com/freedomwriters/tensel_20030603.html


Tilting Democrats in the Presidential Race

Some excerpts from the article:

After seven years as governor, the Associated Press described Dean as "a
moderate at best on social issues and a clear conservative on fiscal
issues." The news service added: "This is, after all, the governor who has
at times tried to cut benefits for the aged, blind and disabled, whose No. 1
priority is a balanced budget."

When Dean officially announced his presidential campaign on June 23, some
news stories identified him with the left. It's a case of mistaken identity.
"He's really a classic Rockefeller Republican -- a fiscal conservative and
social liberal," according to University of Vermont political scientist
Garrison Nelson.

As a fiscal conservative, Dean is aligned with the status quo of extreme
inequities. That alignment was on display during a pair of June 22
appearances.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
pyro1392 Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 10:07 PM
Response to Original message
1. Dean is hardly a fiscal conservative;
however, fiscally he is more moderate than most of the Democrats he is running against. Of course, Bush isn't really all that conservative economically (he cuts taxes, but he also increases spending), so Dean might not be much different, though I'm sure Dean would do a better job of balancing the budget.

Since fiscally I'm somewhat conservative myself, I'm supporting Dean.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RegenerationMan Donating Member (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 10:13 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. Are you supporting the Dean Fence in the ME too?
Any Dean supporter is now a Fence Supporter, unless Dean changes his view. You are in essence helping to build that fence, which I think is a horrendous idea and a hindrance to true peace--unless you PERSONALLY contact the Dean HQ and express your opposition to the monstrosity.

IMAGINE PRESIDENT KERRY!!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pyro1392 Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 10:46 PM
Response to Reply #2
4. I really don't care all that much about a President's
ME politics. In my opinion (and I feel, the opinion of the founders), we shouldn't even be involved in "entangling foreign alliances". I haven't researched the ME issues thoroughly enough to form strong opinions, so I can't make that a big factor in my vote.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 11:37 PM
Response to Reply #4
8. Dean Is Actually Pretty Committed To Internationalism
While I don't think Dean has nearly the same depth as Kerry (who has an 18 year head start), I definitely think he is on the right track by engaging the global community in a positive way. His Middle East policies are a little troublesome, but I respect at least the direction he is moving in general.

I don't think isolationism can possibly work in the age of nuclear proliferation and stateless terror.

<>
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 11:04 PM
Response to Reply #2
5. As if...
The president will have much to say about what Israel does. You know, in the whole basket of problems we are facing, the Fence/Wall is damn close to the bottom of the list.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 11:20 PM
Response to Reply #5
7. the american pres can do a lot about israel
we give them a lot of money. we can easily get them to take certain measures or steps by cutting back the money we give them if they don't do it.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
UnapologeticLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 03:53 PM
Response to Reply #5
30. Thank you!
"You know, in the whole basket of problems we are facing, the Fence/Wall is damn close to the bottom of the list."

I wish a lot more liberals could take that stance and just accept that support for Israel is important to American Jews, who have been a loyal and contributing part of the Democratic coalition for 70 years, and accept that the Democratic Party is therefore going to be supportive, even if they don't agree.

I admit that I was not all that comfortable with the University of Michigan's undergraduate admissions policies. But it did not bother me when the Democratic presidential candidates all came out in favor of the university, because I know it is an important issue to blacks, who have been an important and loyal part of our coalition for almost a century, and to other minority groups who vote primarily Democratic. I am grateful for the contribution blacks and other minorities make to our party, and I do not resent them for influencing the party on certain issues.

I don't see why some people have to resent Jewish influence so much.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
UnapologeticLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 03:33 PM
Response to Reply #2
29. I am a fence supporter
As are many on the Israeli left. A fence would, if properly constructed, divide the Israelis and Palestinians and give each their own land. It would protect the Israelis from terrorists and the Palestinians from Israeli incursions. Of course, they would have to dismantle most of the settlements in order to do what the left wants...but the main point of contention in Israel is not whether or not the fence should be built but where it should be built.

Besides, it is ridiculous to say that anyone who supports a candidate automatically supports every position that candidate takes. If so than all you Kerry supporters think Congress did the right thing by abdicating their constitutional responsibility to declare war and giving the president a blank check. Since I think about 98% of the people here opposed the war, I highly doubt that is the case.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 10:34 PM
Response to Original message
3. Who is correct here you or Charity?
Edited on Mon Jul-28-03 11:30 PM by dsc
This is from the article by Charity that you quoted.

According to his website, Dean plans to extend coverage to children up to age 25 in households under 300% of the poverty limit. He lists that as $54,000 for a family of four, but according to the numbers on the Office of Vermont Health Access website, the 2003 limit for a family of four is actually $55,200. To put that in perspective, that puts a family into the top 40% of household incomes. Vermont uses the 300% limit for their state-funded child health plan, Dr. Dynasaur , which covers kids up to age 21.

Please not the last sentence of the paragraph that I quoted. Vermont uses the 300% limit for their STATE-funded child health plan . . . You have repeatedly stated that his plan wasn't state funded. So were you mistaken the several times you said it wasn't or is she mistaken in saying that it is? If you are wrong why should you be believed. If she is why should she be?

On edit

You picked a real clunker to quote here. Here is directly for the Vermont Medicaid manual of 1996. This took me one, count it one, search to find.

This if from the dental section for over 21

Rehabilitative, cosmetic, or elective procedures are not covered. Services not covered include:
Cosmetic dentistry
Bonding
Sealants
Periodontal surgery
Non-surgical, comprehensive/periodontal care
Orthodontia
Crown and bridge
Dentures (full or partial)
Elective care
Other program limits include:
Annual benefit maximum $250 per person.

Note what we have not covered here. DENTURES. That is right. They weren't covered when Dean got there either. So one of two things is true. This author is spinning wildly by neglection to mention who covered this stuff in the first place (that is if Dean had increased the coverage to include dentures) or is lying altogether when she claims that a recent cut is why they aren't covered now. Also note the $250 limit. It turns out he actually increased that.

Here is the link. This is to the table of contents from there go to the dental coverage section for over 21. I will give her that glasses and chiropracters were covered before. I am checking on what is covered now.

www.dpath.state.vt.us/policy/partm6/tocm600.htm

Finally here are four links that discuss the cuts. They describe them remarkably similarly so I will only quote one of them.

http://timesargus.nybor.com/Legislature/Story/41169.html

http://timesargus.nybor.com/Story/41149.html

http://rutlandherald.nybor.com/News/Story/41121.html

http://rutlandherald.nybor.com/News/AtAGlance/Story/56109.html


Here is the paragraph which is relevant to what we are discussing. It appears in all four pieces. This if from the second link.

All Medicaid patients would see some benefits curtailed because the state would no longer pay for dentures, chiropractic, or podiatry services, and would limit prescription drug choices more severely.

Note that eyeglasses don't appear here. I checked every link I could find and they aren't mention in even one. No matter how much detail the article went into in other areas eyeglasses just weren't mentioned at all. Given her proven track record of spinning if not lying I am not inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt.

So here is the scorecard. She makes three claims of service cuts. Dentures (where Dean actually increased benefits over time) but did cut them at the very end evidently. Chiropractic care where she is evidently correct. And eyeglasses where nothing backs her up. At best she is spinning very, very, hard.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 02:27 AM
Response to Reply #3
11. Actually, Deans recommendations cut all dental services except
Emergency services or life threatening infections and stuff like that. Was overturned: The courts were asked to overturn them.

That panel has responsibility for making financial decisions when the full Legislature is out of session.

Among the cuts were eliminating state coverage through Medicaid of adult chiropractic care, denture services and some elective inpatient surgeries...

He also argued the administration improperly adopted emergency rules for implementing the cuts in violation of state law requiring that the public have input into such decisions.

Emergency rules are permitted when there’s “imminent danger to public health or safety,” McCullough said. “We claim that ... the possibility of a budget deficit doesn’t qualify under that standard.”

http://rutlandherald.nybor.com/News/AtAGlance/Story/56109.html


Here we go again. Last February, this column described Gov. Howard Dean's proposal to cut drug assistance programs for seniors. In spite of arguments highlighting the hardships this would cause older people with low incomes, legislators eventually increased co-pays and added a deductible. This year, these same programs are facing the budget ax once more. The arguments for cuts remain the same. Medical inflation, especially the escalation in the price of medicines, plays havoc with the budget for state programs that help low-income people pay for their health care. The arguments against cuts have usually focused on compassion and need. Medicare does not cover medications, and seniors, on average, are paying more than $1,000 per year out-of-pocket for their drugs. Most cannot afford it, and many are forced to choose between medicine and food.

Recently, advocates for seniors have expanded their arguments to the supply side: Balance the budget by cutting drug costs, not benefits. Watch out for the unintended budget consequences of limiting drug use for frail seniors.

Until recently, only Vermonters with very low incomes and eligible for Medicaid were able to receive public assistance to help pay for their prescription drug costs. After much legislative discussion and advocacy by seniors in the past decade, Vermont now has three pharmaceutical assistance programs that help people with slightly higher incomes. About 15,000 older Vermonters with incomes up to $20,000 (one person) or $27,276 (couple) receive state assistance in paying for prescription drugs. People at the top of the eligible income group receive the least help.


http://www.biohope.org/media/article.cfm?articleid=3368&state=VT

Dr. Thompson gave some background on the issue of OxyContin prior authorization (PA), explaining that VMS members had been working with Medicaid Medical Director Joe Jacobs, MD, to improve the OxyContin PA form and to try to use the Medicaid PA as a tool for educating physicians about quality pain management. Governor Dean said he thought imposing the new PA requirement had been a very positive step for the state. Dr. Thompson noted that the publicity around OxyContin abuse and diversion had a chilling effect on Vermont physicians who were beginning to better treat pain. Bill Roberts, MD, a St. Albans anesthesiologist, said that physicians have been thoroughly educated about what not to do in pain management, but are now left wondering what they should do.

Dean said he felt that severe pain wasn’t a problem primary care doctors should be handling anyway, asserting that anyone with severe pain should see a pain specialist at least once. Dr. Thompson said that the pain specialty infrastructure in Vermont was inadequate to handle the caseload that would result if everyone with severe pain had to see a specialist to get good pain management. Several other VMS members agreed that providing high quality pain care was an important part of primary practice.

http://www.vtmd.org/LEG&POL/pol-bull020102.html

And Vermonters who get help paying for drugs under the Vermont Health Access Plan, or VHAP Pharmacy, which covers all drugs and requires only a $1 or $2 co-payment, would also have to pay half the cost with a $750 limit.

All Medicaid patients would see some benefits curtailed because the state would no longer pay for dentures, chiropractic, or podiatry services, and would limit prescription drug choices more severely.

Dean’s plan would also lower the amount the state pays to hospitals for treating Medicaid patients, rolling back an effort by the Legislature last year to beef up the reimbursement level and reduce “cost-shifting.

http://timesargus.nybor.com/Legislature/Story/41169.html


While legislators argue over which services to cut, the truth is that there is plenty of money to fund all needed programs. Two examples: By instituting a more progressive tax structure, like the "Snelling" tax of 1990 which taxed the wealthy at higher rates, the state itself has estimated that $130 million would be raised in 2002. In addition, by taxing stock market profits and other capital gains at the same rate as wages -- wages are currently taxed at a higher rate -- more than $25 million more would be available.

Because most new sources of revenue won't be available until next year, the state can and should use the Rainy Day Fund now. Only half of this fund is needed to reverse all cuts for this year. As recently reported, many other states are turning to the Rainy Day Fund to make it through the recession (Burlington Free Press, Feb. 5).

Do proposals like the ones described above place an unfair burden on the rich? Consider that for the past decade, the wealthy have benefited from tax cuts and preferential treatment for stocks and other unearned income while regular Vermonters have seen their real wages go down. For example, when the tax rate was decreased from 25 percent to 24 percent of the federal rate in 1999, the top 9 percent of Vermont households received over half of the $15 million in lost state revenue. This budget "crisis" didn't just happen -- the state spent the past decade giving away its surplus instead of planning for harder times. To balance the budget on the backs of families already suffering from the current recession, when the state has the option of using the Rainy Day Fund and raising revenue through fairer taxation, is inexcusable. Vermonters have the right to expect better leadership than that. There is no question that reversing the cuts and fully funding public programs is both feasible and necessary. The only question is whether or not legislators will choose to protect the economic security of all Vermonters.

http://www.vtlivablewage.org/vwc/docs/tenaya_oped.html

One thing to remember, Dean didnt get ALL of the cuts he proposed. The legislature over-rode him, and added money back into the busget to replace items Dean cut.

Other states, like Vermont, fear the
economy may worsen before it improves,
and are reluctant to use their rainy day
funds at all. "It's only drizzling," Vermont's
Senate Appropriations Chairwoman Susan

Bartlett told the
Vermont Press Bureau
.

"Prudent fiscal management means looking
ahead and being prepared." Instead of using
reserves, Gov. Howard Dean has proposed
rolling back Medicaid benefits and increasing co-payments,
or a savings of $16.5 million. The cuts would effect only
those who do not meet federal income eligibility require-
ments for the program. Dean stressed that no child would lose
coverage under his plan, and that the reduced benefits would
only effect services outside the basic coverage plan, like
podiatry and dental care.

Some policymakers have expressed concern that dipping
into their rainy day fund could hurt their state's bond rating.
That would be unlikely, according to analysis from Standard
and Poor's. In an October 2001 report, the firm said that a
"balanced approach of adjusting spending and drawing on
reserves will reduce out-year structural imbalance" and prob-
ably not lead to a downgraded bond rating.

"Sin Taxes"

In addition to using rainy day funds and making tough
spending cuts, states are increasingly looking to generate rev-
enue from "sin taxes.


http://216.239.37.104/search?q=cache:AbsqkiPzrhEJ:www.csgeast.org/Publications/Winter%2702%2520FINAL.pdf+%22Howard+Dean%27+%22Vermont%22+%22Budget+Cuts%22+%22Health+Care%22+Dental+Care&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

Dean did not want to cut dentures but all dental care.


Deanís budget recommendation would eliminate a Medicaid prescription drug assistance plan for elderly, disabled and uninsured adults of all ages and require significant cost sharing for recipients of other state health assistance programs. The Governor and many Democrats support raising the tobacco tax 67 cents to avoid these benefit reductions and discourage young Vermonters from taking up smoking. Deanís proposal would also eliminate free adult dentures, chiropractic care, podiatry and other Medicaid dental programs.

http://www.bcbsvt.com/isreply/isrep-3-2002.htm

But along with this. He recommended incresing the 2 dollar per visit co-payment per doctors visit, Creating a 25 dollar per visit emergency room fee, which did not exist before this. As well as greatly increasing the amount that the elderely paid for their prescription drugs.

Since charity was fairly on the money for the other services, I doubt she was wrong about the eyeglasses.

And Deans cutting of coverage for the handicapped, disabled, blinf, and poor was nothing new. The legislature had to battle him over this from the day he became governor.

Again, the Dr Dynsaur program is not state finded. Dean moved the program over to Medicaid in 1992, so it is NOT separate from medicaid, and is funded under the same ssystem that is called KidCare in other states so it is now a federally funded program in which the state must match 40 percent to the federal 60 percent:

In 1989, Vermont created the Dr. Dynasaur program, which provided state-funded health assistance to children six years and younger, as well as pregnant women who did not qualify for Medicaid up to 200 percent FPL. By 1992, the program had expanded to cover children up to age 17, up to 225 percent FPL, and was integrated into the state Medicaid program. This was later expanded under the CHIP program to cover children up to 300 percent FPL. In 1991, Vermont passed the Act 160 Legislative Initiatives, which required all insurers with small-employer products (50 or fewer workers) to guarantee-issue policies at community rates and committed the state to the goal of universal health insurance coverage. The Vermont Health Access Program (VHAP) was designed to operate under a 1115 Medicaid waiver. The waiver was granted in 1995 and recently extended to ensure that it would remain operational until at least 2003.

VHAP covers custodial parents and caretaker relatives up to 185 percent FPL, noncustodial parents and other adults up to 150 percent FPL, aged and disabled through 105 percent FPL, and pregnant women through 200 percent FPL. The VHAP Pharmacy Program replaced the V-Script program, initially started in 1989. The programs were initially designed to provide pharmaceuticals to low-income elderly citizens. It has been expanded to cover Medicare beneficiaries up to 175 percent FPL and other individuals with incomes up to 300 percent FPL. Existing Major Access Programs Dr. Dynasaur, VHAP, Medicaid SPG FINDINGS Insurance DataAbout 51,390 (8.4 percent) of Vermont’s 608,829 citizens lack health coverage. The uninsured include people at all income levels; 21.6 percent of the uninsured had incomes below FPL; 29.6 percent had incomes 100–200 percent FPL; 22.3 percent had incomes 200–300 percent FPL; and 26.3 percent had incomes greater than 300 percent FPL. More than three-quarters of the uninsured population were employed; 66.5 percent of the uninsured were working full time and 10.5 percent were working 30 hours or less per week. Most Vermonters believe that the government and employers should be responsible for providing health insurance, although they were wary of a government-only system, such as a single-payer model. Tax credits, subsidies, or other incentives to health insurance elicited concern about “red tape,” complicated applications, and inflexible eligibility standards. There was also little support for a low-cost insurance option.

Interim Final Report

http://www.statecoverage.net/statereports/vt.pdf March 15, 2002. Final Report http://www.statecoverage.net/statereports/vt7.pdf

http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:6xtlBGAOlUAJ:www.statecoverage.net/statereports/vt11.pdf+%22Vermont%22+%22HRSA%22+%22%22Act+160%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

This problem is, to maintain the Dynasaur program at the levels Dean wished, he had to slice all of those benefits noted from poor adults. Which eventually Dean may have to answer for, as it is was likely illegal. Particularly the changes to the prescription drug benefits.

Sorry, you guys keep slinging that childrens prrogram lie about a state funded program like it is something special Dean created. Again, it is plain old medicaid and this is part of the HRSA application for federal grant money and request for extension of the subsection 1115 exemption Deansed to take money from otherederal programs to fund it. Dr Dynsaur stated out as a Vermont STATE program and Dean turned it into plain old medicaid.


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 03:41 AM
Response to Reply #3
13. Your 1996 source is irrelevant, as the cuts Dean made were
later and the his slashed budget in January 2002, what he would leave the state with was:

If passed as presented, Dean’s budget would:

Eliminate the VScript Expanded Program.

Reduce the Vermont Health Access Plan pharmacy benefit.

Increase the co-pay up to $750/year for medicines under both the VScript and VHAP pharmacy programs. (Those eligible now pay only a few dollars for each filled prescription).

Eliminate the Medicaid dentures, chiropractic and podiatry programs.

Reduce the adult dental programs (cover pain and suffering only, not preventative care).

Add a 50% co-pay to adult vision programs.

Add a $250 co-pay per admission to VHAP inpatient hospital benefit.

Reduce the hospital outpatient payment by 10%.

Establish a hospital outpatient co-pay of $25.


http://vnavt.com/vahhavoicewinter2002.htm

Dean did this to make sure NO cuts to Dr Dynsaur would be necessary, so that Kids from families making as much as 54,500 dollars would retain all of their benefits but disabled people on SSI earning less than 600 a month would have all of the above costs added to them/
Fortunately, the state overruled Deans budget and as leading democrats said:

Even the governor’s closest allies in the Senate ignored him. Sen. Nancy Chard, D-Windham, recommended restoring $440,000 to one of the pharmaceutical assistance programs and the Senate voted 22-7 to go along with her.

“I’ve become convinced that we have a philosophical difference between the governor, the Republican House and this Senate,” said Senate President Pro Tempore Peter Shumlin, D-Windham.

“The governor and the Republican House want to balance this budget on the backs of our most vulnerable Vermonters. The Senate wants to balance this budget on the backs of the pharmaceutical companies who are charging too much for drugs.”

As a very decent and humane Vermont progressive, Michael Badamo once said of Dean:

Dean is shallow, glib, mean spirited and overly ambitious .

http://www.sover.net/~auc/6govs.htm

I wish I were poet enough to have descibed the essence of Howard Dean so precisely, and beautifully.


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 07:05 AM
Response to Reply #13
15. No it isn't
My 1996 citation proves that if those benefits were cut at all then they were cut after having been added by Dean. Before Dean no denture coverage and $250 limit, after Dean no denture coverage and $450 limit.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 05:41 PM
Response to Reply #15
27. B.S.
Edited on Tue Jul-29-03 05:47 PM by Nicholas_J
as the progrtams were medicaid programs, dentures and all of that suff are standard fare under Medicaid. Dean cannot add beyond what medicaid offers, but he can cut what services wil be made available.

Sorry, you are assuming that Dean created those available services in 1996. He did not. AS usual. Dean supporters are lying, giving Dean cres=dit where none is do. All increase to medicaid services come from the FEDERAL government, and the state cannot add to them, they can reduce their share of payment, and what they will pay for, thus reducing the federal matching funds, but sorry kiddo, medicaid decides what ,maximum services are available. They were avbailable before Dean, Dena just cut them out in order to make those funds available to Dr. Dynsaur.Medicaid is a federally mandated program, that the states must co-operate in. Vermont actually has one of the lowest rates of participation in medicaid, and could easily provide many more services if the state paid more money as its 4o percent share into the required sum.

In 1996, Medicaid to the states was vastly improved by Bill Clinton, and Funding for Children through Chip and Kid Care, a which was styarted as legislation proposed by JOHN KERRY..increased all of theose benefits...

More of the lies from the Howard Dean brigade. Its all medicaid, it is ALL the result of federal programs. WHich is why Dean had to demand those massive cuts in 2002. Almost none of the expansions of the program came out of Vermont money or programs, The money to expand the program just came from unused money given to the states and then the states were allowed to use excess federal funds to expand MEDICAID, under a subchapter 1115 waiver, which allows the use of non- health related FEDERAL funds for medicaid.

LIES, LIES,LIES.

Dean lies about other candidates to the point of having to offer public apologies, and now lies about being the man who created Medicaid....

Sooner or later he is ginna get caught lying in a big way. As a matter of fact, Vermont already was sued in 2000 and had to sopt using federal funds for part of those Dean programs, and eventually, if I pray hard enough, Dean will be found in some illegality, for which he may be serving in the bug house, instead of the WHite House.

PROOVE those services were added onto medicaid by Dr Dean. PROOVE the STATE of VERMONT changed the Washinton based program to Medicaid.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
UnapologeticLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 03:55 PM
Response to Reply #13
31. This was in 2002?
The same year that many states completely eliminated dental and vision care from their Medicaid programs? These cuts suck but compared to the cuts a lot of other states had to make they are not so bad.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 11:05 PM
Response to Original message
6. nice links
2 opinion pieces and a google search results page :eyes:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 11:47 PM
Response to Original message
9. Two for two on the clunk-o-meter
This is from your first article:

The next day, at his official campaign kickoff, Dean gave a
26-minute speech and didn't mention Iraq at all. It was a
remarkable performance from someone who has spent much of the last year pitching himself as some kind of anti-war candidate.

Dean is already sending a message to his announced supporters among peace and social-justice advocates: Thanks, suckers.




Here is from Dean's announcement speech:

Every American President must and will take up arms in the defense of our nation. It is a solemn oath that cannot -- and will not -- be compromised.

But there is a fundamental difference between the defense of our nation and the doctrine of preemptive war espoused by this administration. The President's group of narrow-minded ideological advisors are undermining our nation's greatness in the world. They have embraced a form of unilateralism that is even more dangerous than isolationism.
This administration has shown disdain for allies, treaties, and international organizations alike.

In doing so they would throw aside our nation's role as the inspirational leader of the world the beacon of hope and justice in the interests of humankind. And instead, they would present our face to the world as a dominant power prepared to push aside any nation with which we do not agree.

Our foreign and military policies must be about America leading the world, not America against the world.


I do have to give him that he was technically accurate. The word Iraq doesn't appear in the speech. But to say he "didn't talk about Iraq" given what I have quoted here is beyond spin. Just what does he think Dean was talking about here in regards to pre-emptive attacks and the US against the world? The take he gives to the speech is baldly inaccurate. So why should one believe anything else the man says?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 03:48 AM
Response to Reply #9
14. What Dean wanted and was overruled by the Vermont legislature
In his last budget:

If passed as presented, Dean’s budget would:

Eliminate the VScript Expanded Program.

Reduce the Vermont Health Access Plan pharmacy benefit.

Increase the co-pay up to $750/year for medicines under both the VScript and VHAP pharmacy programs. (Those eligible now pay only a few dollars for each filled prescription).

Eliminate the Medicaid dentures, chiropractic and podiatry programs.

Reduce the adult dental programs (cover pain and suffering only, not preventative care).

Add a 50% co-pay to adult vision programs.

Add a $250 co-pay per admission to VHAP inpatient hospital benefit.

Reduce the hospital outpatient payment by 10%.

Establish a hospital outpatient co-pay of $25.


http://vnavt.com/vahhavoicewinter2002.htm

Dean did this to make sure NO cuts to Dr Dynsaur would be necessary, so that Kids from families making as much as 54,500 dollars would retain all of their benefits but disabled people on SSI earning less than 600 a month would have all of the above costs added to them/
Fortunately, the state overruled Deans budget and as leading democrats said:

Even the governor’s closest allies in the Senate ignored him. Sen. Nancy Chard, D-Windham, recommended restoring $440,000 to one of the pharmaceutical assistance programs and the Senate voted 22-7 to go along with her.

“I’ve become convinced that we have a philosophical difference between the governor, the Republican House and this Senate,” said Senate President Pro Tempore Peter Shumlin, D-Windham.

“The governor and the Republican House want to balance this budget on the backs of our most vulnerable Vermonters. The Senate wants to balance this budget on the backs of the pharmaceutical companies who are charging too much for drugs.”

http://timesargus.nybor.com/Legislature/Story/46513.html

As a very decent and humane Vermont progressive, Michael Badamo once said of Dean:

Dean is shallow, glib, mean spirited and overly ambitious .

http://www.sover.net/~auc/6govs.htm

I wish I were poet enough to have descibed the essence of Howard Dean so precisely, and beautifully.

I thik op ed pieces are fine myself, just as valid as anything that comes out of Deans own campaign.

Besides. Dean has been caught lying about other candidates, ahd to make a number of public apologies for doing so. Getting caught lying once, is bad enough, but not learning your lesson and getting caught agains is indicative that it just may be a personality flaw, and the guy just cant help himself, so I would not give much credence to ANYTHING that comes out of his mouth...

Better trust those who have had to deal with him, and live withhis decisions.


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 07:10 AM
Response to Reply #14
16. Please tell me how this
at all discusses Iraq? That is what my post is about.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-28-03 11:50 PM
Response to Original message
10. What is your second link supposed to be?
On my system it is literally unintelligable. It appears to be the results of a search but the terms are gibberish and nothing appears to be about Vermont.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 03:27 AM
Response to Reply #10
12. try this
He battled Democrats to restrain spending and balance the state budget, even pushing for cuts in human services programs such as benefits for the aged, blind and disabled.

He nominated tough-on-crime judges, most of them former prosecutors. And he imposed work requirements on welfare recipients well before President Clinton did.

As governor, some of his strongest supporters were Republican leaders of the business community. Difficult to label, Dean once called himself "an odd kind of Democrat."

http://www.concordmonitor.com/stories/news/newengla2003/vt__dean_2004_2003.shtml
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lastliberalintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 08:57 AM
Response to Original message
17. Why are you Kerry supporters obsessed with Dean?
Why can't you focus on your candidate and post positive things about Kerry? Kerry is a great guy, has a great record, has the vet thing going for him, and has many other positive features that you people could be focused on. Instead, you choose to waste your time by bashing another Dem. :eyes:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Duder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 09:33 AM
Response to Reply #17
18. Since praying to their Kerry shrine isn't working
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 01:46 PM
Response to Reply #18
20. I'm not a Kerry supporter. I used to work on Dean's campaign..
Then I found out what he stood for. While I still don't support Kerry, I would vote for Kerry and every other Democratic candidate before I could consider voting for a Republicrat Scrooge like Dean. Incidentally, Dean's campaign is the dirtiest since Nixon's and he may have Nixon beat on that issue.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lastliberalintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 02:01 PM
Response to Reply #20
21. Really?
Do you have anything to back that up? While I support Dean currently, I'd like to hear what evidence you have that "Dean's campaign is the dirtiest since Nixon's" so that I can judge for myself. Something other than vague accusations would be nice please.

And you'd even vote for Lieberman but NOT Dean? Hmmm, very interesting.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 02:28 PM
Response to Reply #21
23. You want some information
You ought to look at the discussions in the California groups. His campaign may be engaging in some FEC violations. Check out the groups and then decide for yourself.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lastliberalintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 03:09 PM
Response to Reply #23
24. Nope, if you make the accusation
you should back it up with facts or information when asked. Otherwise, don't expect to be believed.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 03:39 PM
Response to Reply #24
25. I guess that means you don.'t want to look at the facts.
I told you where to find them. The problem with the Dean poeple is that if you point them to the truth, they come up with excuses for not going and checking it out. I don't have time for Kool-Aid drinkers like you.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 01:40 PM
Response to Original message
19. Dean cuts health services to the needy and
still pretends to be a Democrat. Can you believe anyone supports this guy?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 02:05 PM
Response to Reply #19
22. Some of us will read
Edited on Tue Jul-29-03 02:07 PM by dsc
evidently you won't. The link I posted in this thread shows that after Dean's cuts the dental benefits were still better than he found them, the eyeglass issue is just made up, and the chiropracter stuff is real though it was pretty hard to get that service before but he did cut it. In short, they were one for three in truth of charges.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-29-03 05:35 PM
Response to Reply #22
26. This was what Dean proposed:
Governor Howard Dean, in his eleventh and last budget address, cut several Medicaid programs including prescription drugs, dental care and vision services. Dean told lawmakers times a tough and sacrifices had to be made.

The Dean budget for FY 2003 is $891 million in state spending, one percent more than the state expects to spend this fiscal year but nearly 3% less than the budget passed last year ($916 million). Revenues this year are expected to be $50 million below budget. Dean wants to use the "Rainy Day" fund to cover some of the $50 million shortfall but does not want to tap that fund for FY 2003. Next year’s budget is based on revenue estimates of $893 million.

If passed as presented, Dean’s budget would:

Eliminate the VScript Expanded Program.

Reduce the Vermont Health Access Plan pharmacy benefit.

Increase the co-pay up to $750/year for medicines under both the VScript and VHAP pharmacy programs. (Those eligible now pay only a few dollars for each filled prescription).

Eliminate the Medicaid dentures, chiropractic and podiatry programs.

Reduce the adult dental programs (cover pain and suffering only, not preventative care).

Add a 50% co-pay to adult vision programs.

Add a $250 co-pay per admission to VHAP inpatient hospital benefit.

Reduce the hospital outpatient payment by 10%.

Establish a hospital outpatient co-pay of $25.

These cuts would save about $27 million, $11 million in state money. Few advocates for the elderly are happy with the budget and have vowed to restore the money lost to these programs. A coalition of over a dozen advocacy groups held a rally and press conference at the Capitol building to denounce the budget cuts.

http://vnavt.com/vahhavoicewinter2002.htm

You cannot give credit to DEAN for the fact that the senate ovewrturned his budget and retained the benefits Dena proposed cutting:

Senate adds money to budget, angers Dean
May 9, 2002

By ROSS SNEYD The Associated Press

MONTPELIER — Senators passed a 2003 state budget Wednesday that the governor made clear he would veto if it ever reached his desk.

Just hours after an angry Gov. Howard Dean leveled a series of charges about how irresponsible he believed the Senate, controlled by his fellow Democrats, was being, senators did precisely what he warned them not to do.

They restored money to a pharmaceutical assistance program that he had slated for elimination, redirected some money to cities and towns to help pay for education, and passed the budget by a 21-8 roll-call vote.

http://timesargus.nybor.com/Legislature/Story/46513.html

You have just made the statement the the programs got BETTER after Deans cuts...

You continually ask for proof when dean is criticised. Now proove that these programs got better, without refering to some pap from DEANFORAMERICA. Some REAL facts.

AS a matter of fact, a comission established by Dean indicated that by the end of Deans terms as governor, a health care system in Veermont could not even be said to exist, and the drain on state funds due to Deans haphazard ideas about funding threatened to collapse the entire state government:



On January 24, 2001, Governor Howard Dean issued an executive order establishing a Special Governor's Bipartisan Commission on Health Care Availability and Affordability...

B. Based on what we have learned, we do agree on this: Health care in Vermont is near a state of crisis -- some of us would say it is already in crisis -- and all health care sectors are on edge. We also note that many of these problems are national or even global in scope and that our abilities to solve them at the state level are limited.

C. Health care costs in Vermont, now exceeding $2 billion a year, are of a sufficient magnitude, however, and are increasing at a sufficient rate to place state government itself in jeopardy, including every program for which it appropriates money. By comparison, Vermonters budgeted $1.8 billion for all state government services in FY 2001 (not including federal funds).3

We are rapidly approaching the point at which these costs will directly conflict with our ability to do such things as to maintain roads and bridges, for example, or to provide cost-effective services to our infants and children, to promote agriculture and tourism, or to provide any other services our citizens have come to expect.

D. We do not have a health care system in Vermont.

http://216.239.37.100/search?q=cache:aC9QzqwOEmkJ:www.state.vt.us/health/commission/docs/report/mainreport.doc+%22Howard+Dean%22+%22Incentive+Plan+for+Medicaid%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

NOw. show something to back up those statement about Dean, and nothing from his own self praising Dean for America site, or other pro Dean sites. Just straght reportes, from other sources...even op-ed pieces, as long as they quote officials who have actually worked in Vermont Health Care under Deans rules, and the set up he didnt set up.




Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
UnapologeticLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 03:25 PM
Response to Original message
28. Thank you so much...you did my research for me!
I am trying to put together a handout touting some of Dean's more moderate credentials...this is great stuff! How do you find all of this?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-31-03 04:04 PM
Response to Reply #28
32. Hopefully
You will include all of thse peopole greatly harmed by Dean.

His latest statements that he does not want to change the current system of medical coverage is a precursor to his droppiing national health it he wins the election.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu Apr 18th 2024, 11:23 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Topic Forums » Politics/Campaigns Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC