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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 04:03 PM
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Anyone here ever plan to vote for Kevin Shelley again?
If Arnold gets in, nobody is more responsible than Kevin Shelley. I would be very surprised if Shelley weren't planning to vote for Arnold. He okayed the second half of the ballot. He's taken the lead in trying to get Bush on the 2004 California ballot despite the late convention. Watching his represtentative argue against delaying the recall election until March, despite the fact that black voters will be disenfrised in voting on an initiative which is on the ballot for solely racist reasons, is a good reason to ask him to leave the party so we can run a real Democrat against him in the next election.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 04:10 PM
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1. Of course I will support him
He didn't make up this recall and he has done his best to operate the recall within the letter of the law which is his responsibility.

While the voting machines and punch card ballots are an issue, please consider that something must have worked out..how else were Dems able to sweep statewide elections and take the assembly and senate over the past TWO elections?
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 04:17 PM
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2. He won't stand up for a paper trail and why is he helping Bush.
That will cost us 2004 - especially since he is the one calling for Bush to be placed on the California ballot.

I want a Democratic Secretary of State who wants Democrats to win.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:12 AM
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7. Shelly does favor a paper trail for the voting machines
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 04:20 PM
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3. Under the CA Constitution, Bustamonte becomes governor
if Davis can't serve. His okaying of the second half of the ballot was in violation of the California Constition.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 12:13 AM
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8. Shelly didn't decide that the courts decided not to hear the case
that Bustamante succeeds Davis and it was Shelly's job to uphold the law. Please educate yourself before forming an opinion. It makes the rest of us sleep better at night.
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genius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 01:05 AM
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9. He made the decision in favor of both halves. The court just
refused to hear it.
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dfong63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 06:43 PM
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4. but what about helping bush get on the 2004 ballot?
he's employing a double standard. upholding the law when it favors republicans, and bending the law when it doesn't.
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bbmykel Donating Member (235 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 06:49 PM
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5. So you want him to be a partisan hack....
like Katherine Harris?

I think Shelley is doing what he is supposed to do in a difficult situation that is without precedence.

As for keeping Bush off the ballot, how would the voters of California (and Shelley was elected to serve ALL of them--not just Dems) be served by that? It's unlikely that Bush will win CA anyway, so why resort to such childish, partisan tactics.

I do wish (and hope) that he will move on the paper trails for the electronic ballots.

Mike


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dfong63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-03 11:14 PM
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6. shelley IS being partisan, just for the wrong party
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-03 07:47 AM
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10. Davis opposes delaying the recall also
Should people vote against him for that reason also?


Davis' call Friday to bring on the Oct. 7 election defies conventional wisdom that he would benefit from a drawn-out process that would give him a chance to demonstrate his leadership skills.

The U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals announced Friday it would reconsider a three-judge panel's ruling to postpone the vote, extending the uncertainty that has overshadowed the campaign.

"My attitude is, let's just get it over with, let's just have this election on Oct. 7, put this recall behind us so we can get on with governing the state of California," Davis said.

more: http://www.timesdispatch.com/frontpage/MGBD50L9UKD.html
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