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curse10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 01:26 AM
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If Dean manages to win the primaries
and then has Kerry as his VP, what will the Dean supporters do?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 01:28 AM
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1. Anybody but BUSH
but seriously whoever gets the nod, will have to
balance teh ticket, I suspect Graham will be
tapped, whether Dean or Kerry get the nod.

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w13rd0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 01:30 AM
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2. That's very unlikely...
...just from a demographic/geographic perspective, not to mention historical precedent. If that were the case, I'd be voting Dean/Kerry, but I don't think that's the likely ticket.
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WatchWhatISay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 01:35 AM
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4. I'm a Dean supporter who used to favor Kerry
until he voted for the resolution to give Bush war power. That is one very important issue that I just can't get past, so I will support Dean. But if it were Kerry vs. Bush, or Kerry as VP - no problem with that. I just think by the time the election rolls around, it is going to be pretty well recognized by most Americans that we got screwed into Iraq. But what can I say when Repugs remind that Kerry voted for it?
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 01:34 AM
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3. why do you ask this?
Very few Dean supporters I know are Kerry haters. Most have said they would even vote for Kerry if he is the nominee, so I assume if it were a Dean/Kerry ticket they would vote for that ticket. Logical, right? Though I have my doubts that Kerry will be Dean's running mate anymore than Dean will be Kerry's running mate.
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WatchWhatISay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 01:41 AM
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5. I'd hope either one of them would swallow their pride and
Edited on Sun Jul-20-03 01:41 AM by WatchWhatISay
accept any such nomination for the sake of their country.
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 01:45 AM
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7. I don't think it is that really
I think in doing the electoral math they will feel that Kerry being from Massachusetts a state Dean will win anyhow and Dean from Vermont a state Kerry will win anyway won't really add anything to the ticket. My guess is that both men will try to balance the ticket with someone like Bob Graham (Florida), Wes Clark (Arkansas), or Bill Richardson (New Mexico plus a latino to boot).
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WatchWhatISay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 01:58 AM
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8. Just as long as that "balance" doesnt pull us back to the right
Ok, I acknowledge that you have to deal with political reality but wouldn't it be nice if we could just get the two guys most people wanted because of their views and not demographics?
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 08:48 AM
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16. I agree with you
but in the cases of Richardson and Graham I think they would be superb choices. Graham has been almost as hard on Bush on the Iraqi war as Dean. I honestly don't know enough about Wes Clark though to know what kind of Democrat he is--liberal, moderate, or conservative.
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 02:17 AM
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11. Tell me more about Bill Richardson
I think we need to energize the Latino vote because the GOP is trying really hard to get some of it.
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 08:46 AM
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14. Richardson has lots of experience
in state government, as a congressman, Energy Secretary, UN Ambassador, Diplomatic troubleshooter--even W had to call him in for help with North Korea. People say his biggest drawback is that he was just elected Governor of New Mexico in 2002--and to let him build a record there. He already has a great record and I think the people of NM would be rightly proud if he accepted the nomination for VP and became the first Latino on a national ticket. You are correct, it would energize a base which needs to be energized because Bush has been making strides among Latinos. With Dean, Richardson offers two things Dean needs 1) Foreign policy experience 2) reaching out to minority groups.
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TSIAS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 01:41 AM
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6. Of course I'd still vote for Dean
Add Dean/Lieberman or Dean/Gephardt and there would be possibly different answers. I would vote for any Democratic combination personally.
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intheozone Donating Member (839 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 02:03 AM
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9. No, no, no, no, no - - -
not Kerry as VP, I too can't get past the fact that he voted for the Iraq resolution. He became part of the problem at a time when he could have been part of the solution.

My perfect VP for Dean is Bill Clinton. Said this earlier tonight. Think what a huge asset Bill would be in repairing all the damage done by * in the foreign relation arena. I just think he could be a great VP to reengage and repair relations with the rest of the world. And now that the country has had a chance to see * in action, probably most the Clinton haters are wondering what they hated so much!
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 02:15 AM
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10. No, Dean won't choose Clinton as VP
Whoever is president cannot afford to be overshadowed by his vice president, and Clinton's shadow would be huge.

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Township75 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 08:48 AM
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15. Bill Clinton can NOT be VP, f
it is prohibited by the constitution.

If something were to happen to Pres Dean, than VP Clinton would have to take over as President, and he already served 2 terms.
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 01:06 PM
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19. Dean is gfoing to have some explaining to do
For his comments in late january and early february that were the same as the Iraq Resolution:

On January 31, Dean told Ron Brownstein of the Los Angeles Times that "if Bush presents what he considered to be persuasive evidence that Iraq still had weapons of mass destruction, he would support military action, even without U.N. authorization."

And then on Feb. 20, Dean told Salon.com that "if the U.N. in the end chooses not to enforce its own resolutions, then the U.S. should give Saddam 30 to 60 days to disarm, and if he doesn't, unilateral action is a regrettable, but unavoidable, choice."

But a day later, he told the Associated Press that he would not support sending U.S. troops to Iraq unless the United Nations specifically approves the move and backs it with action of its own. "They have to send troops," he said.

Four days later on PBS's News Hour with Jim Lehrer, Dean said United Nations authorization was a prerequisite for war. "We need to respect the legal rights that are involved here," Dean said. "Unless they are an imminent threat, we do not have a legal right, in my view, to attack them."

http://www.topdog04.com/000071.html

Dean changed his stance over and over again at the time he was being hailed as the anti-war candidate.

His supporters may forget, but the media will not. This will all start coming up in the fall. Which is why Dean is trying to get attention OFF of the war.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 04:03 PM
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26. Watching for Dean threads 24/7/365
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tedoll78 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 02:41 AM
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12. They'd have my vote.
Hell, if they could clone Joe Lieberman, I'd vote for a Lieberman/Lieberman ticket.

Look at the ballot this way: __Stevens(Dem) __Scalia(GOP) __Scalia(Grn)

I genuinely like Kerry, but the Dean has fight, an army of supporters (many of whom are new to the political process), a great record in Vermont, the ability to shuffle the the middle, and no record of votes in Congress (that'd be ammo for the GOP).

Now Graham as VP.. he won re-election with 65% of the vote in Fla, winning 63 of the 67 counties. We can't pass him up, with either position on the ticket.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 04:25 AM
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13. Ummm....vote for Dean/Kerry?
Seems like an easy enough question to me...
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UnapologeticLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 10:47 AM
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17. That would be a great ticket, but an unwinnable one
I would love to see that ticket, because i like John Kerry a lot even though I am a Dean supporter, but I think it would be dumb for Dean to pick Kerry for his VP, because they are both New Englanders and both may be perceived as blue blooded and elitist. Only one time in the 20th century did a presidential ticket without a Southerner in either spot win, and I think if Dean becomes the nominee he would be wise to pick someone from the South and preferably someone with military experience. Kerry fits the second criteria but not the first.
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 10:51 AM
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18. What about Dean/Quayle?
Seriously, I doubt many Dean supporters would fall away because of his VP choice (even Lieberman).

I think a better question for Deanies might be: Who would you take - Dean/Lieberman or Kerry/Clark?
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 04:08 PM
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21. most Deanies
have said on this board that they will support whoever the eventual democratic nominee is and I assume that would include whoever Dean puts on the ticket with him.
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 03:48 PM
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20. I'd vote it but it won't happen. Dean won't select him simply because
Kerry won't help the #'s.

Graham was/is the #1 choice BUT if Dean continues to build he will have carte blanche on the selection and could turbo charge the ticket with god only knows who!! It wouldn't surprise me if he picks a very high profile democratically inclined republican!!

Dean thinks waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay outside the box.

Dean '04
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 04:09 PM
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22. Well, McCain Has This To Say About Dean
McCain, meanwhile, was skeptical that upstart Democrat Howard Dean, who considers himself the McCain of the 2004 race, could ultimately show wide political appeal.

``He is coming out of a kind of antiestablishment role that clearly resonates with some voters,'' said McCain. ``But I don't know if that can play with the broader electorate, the American public.''

McCain defended Kerry from Dean's recent attacks charging the Bay State senator lacks ``courage'' on such issues as tax cuts, the war with Iraq and education.

``I do not believe that's a fair criticism,'' said McCain. ``Governor Dean has spent some time apologizing to people recently for some of the things he's said.''

http://www.johnkerry.com/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id...
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 07:31 PM
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27. Lovefest between the 'Senators'Club', transparent...
Dean '04
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 03:28 PM
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24. I don't think Dean will choose Kerry, Lieberman, Edwards, or Gephardt
as VP. He has already challenged their vote for the Iraq War and holds them responsible along with Bush for the mess we're in.

I doubt he'd tap Graham because Jeb Bush would appoint the Graham's replacement and the last thing we need is one more Republican in the Senate.

Kucinich is too far to the left and a radical to work with Dean.

I seriously doubt that Dean has thought this far ahead. He may fantasize about it, but I think he will wait to see how people and events play out during the course of this grueling Democratic Primary. Those on his wish list now may falter later.

Of course, because of the dire course Bush is putting this nation on, I think that Dean would want a VP who could work with him as a partner, like Gore did with Clinton. He wouldn't want a VP to showboat over him or stab him in the back. This nation is headed for major problems in the near future, thanks to Bush, and Dean would want teamwork within his administration to help him face and handle these crises in the best possible manner.
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 07:33 PM
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28. Dean has well thought of this and his 'pick' is his secret. Many are
lining up to be his 'suitor' and Graham is/was first in line.

Dean '04
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-20-03 04:35 PM
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23. Vote for Kerry
Not only am I on record as being obsessed with voting for whomever the nominee is I actually like Kerry. But as stated above never gonna happen. Dean will pick a Southerner or a Westerner with foreign policy and or miliatry experience. Not another northerner.
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DrGonzoLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-21-03 03:59 PM
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25. I have no problem with that
The real question is what will all you Dean-haters do if Kerry gets Dean as his VP candidate? Nicholas_J, I'm looking in your direction...
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WatchWhatISay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-24-03 02:40 AM
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29. OK, if he must pick a southerner
How about Ann Richard or Sheila Jackson Lee?
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