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clar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 09:58 AM
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Kerry on Face The Nation
I'm not a Kerry supporter, but I think he did a good job this morning.
Despite his vote for the IWR (which really drove me nuts, particularly in light of his no vote on GWI- yes I've read his speech) I think he'd be a good President. Still have doubts about his viability as a candidate, but I think he's been approving lately, honing his message and speaking directly to the electorate.

President Clinton is right. We have great candidates. With the exception of Joe, they all bring great things to the table.
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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 09:59 AM
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1. He challenged DEAN to a debate!!!
will he accept!
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clar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:03 AM
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2. I imagine so
At least I hope so. I think it would be a good thing.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:07 AM
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4. You got it wrong, molly...he ACCEPTED Dean's challenge
to go face to face. Kerry turned Dean's heated words into a proposal for debate that Kerry accepted. Heh. Smart maneuver.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:23 AM
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9. Lord knows Kerry needs the publicity.
Definately a smart maneuver. If you can't generate it yourself, grab hold of someone elses. No one said he was stupid.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 11:45 AM
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27. No, if someone is going to accuse you of something
then make them put up or shut up.
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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:57 AM
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19. Face the Nation accepted also - 2 out 3 said yes
now we just need to wait for Dean's answer.
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LuminousX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 01:08 PM
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34. Common Tactic
The candidate who is trailing challenges the front-runner to a debate.

Right now it is too early to have a two candidate debate. Kerry is doing what I've been hoping he would do a long time ago, assume the mantle of leadership he rightfully should be wearing. Unfortunately, he is a bit too focused on Dean and not focused enough on Bush, but it is still early.

He is, unfortunately, doing a disservice to the other candidates, but I suspect they all want Dean removed from the top of the list and are willing to let Kerry be the Hitman. Dean would be an idiot if he accepted the debate at this time. He has too much to lose and not enough to gain by debating Kerry.

After the first four primaries, then a debate between the two can be joined. Dean will either have enough momentum that it won't matter or will have lost a few primaries and will need a way to get back on top. Ditto for Kerry. Right now? It wouldn't be a debate that would interest the nation, it would be a debate to interest the supporters of two candidates.

I can already hear Sharpton's criticism.
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tsipple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:05 AM
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3. Re: Dean Debate Challenge
Don't they have debates? Lots of them?

If he's asking for a one-on-one debate, wouldn't it make sense to also include Gephardt, who's well ahead of Kerry in Iowa? And maybe Lieberman, who still tops national polls?
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clar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:07 AM
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5. I don't see anything wrong
with a debate between any two or more of the candidates on a Sunday news show, but I see your point about it being exclusionary.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:10 AM
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6. Context. The interview used Dean's own words for Kerry to
speak to his face. A face to face challenge. Kerry is taking Dean up on that challenge.
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tsipple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:16 AM
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8. For the record...
Dean did not say "face to face... with a TV camera." Although the idea intrigues me, assuming the other candidates get the same chance. Or maybe they can carve out some specific time during the next debate for Kerry and Dean to talk with each other, assuming the other candidates agree.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:25 AM
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10. Nor did he say "debate."
Kerry needs publicity. Can't generate his own. So....
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:27 AM
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11. Do I Sense Nervousness About A One On One Debate?
I thought Dean people would be hungry for this - a real chance for Dean to demonstrate why he is the better choice.
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clar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:33 AM
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12. What am I? Chopped liver?
I know you were replying to a specific poster, but you implied that all or most Dean supporter were nervous about a one on one debate.
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:39 AM
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14. I'm Hoping That You Are Not Chopped Liver
Cause that would just be spooky.

Sorry about the sweeping generalization. ;-)
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 01:30 PM
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36. I was always told you should not feed raw meat to puppies.
n/t
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Feanorcurufinwe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 12:05 PM
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29. Dean did not say "face to face... with a TV camera."
hmmm... maybe they should duke it out in a back room?
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:15 AM
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7. Yes, but til now Kerry has shied
from confrontation in person, leaving it to Lieberman.
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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:37 AM
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13. Did Dean and Lieberman have a one-on-one debate?
I must have missed that.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:39 AM
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15. You missed the Dem debates?
You should watch. You'd see that the candidates can address one another even when other candidates are present. It's very civil, honest and mature.
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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:42 AM
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17. No - the one-on-one between Lieberman and Dean
without the other candidates. I didn't hear about Dean challenging anyone but Kerry. I like one-on-ones - kind of like a boxing match instead of a horse race.
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:41 AM
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16. A 9 Candidate Debate Is About Soundbites
And I find it personally very frustrating, because it is - by necessity - just fluff answers.
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DJcairo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 11:16 AM
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23. Actually Kerry has topped 2 of the last 3 polls
Dean topped the Zogby one.
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RevolutionStartsNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 10:45 AM
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18. Since I missed this show...
and because there's another thread discussing the challenge to Dean to debate, what else did Kerry say on FTN?
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 11:19 AM
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26. My First Deleted Message!
I'm glad I went down defending a Dean supporter!
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RevolutionStartsNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 12:15 PM
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30. What happened? I missed it? Did you defend me?
Not sure what I said that sparked a message that would get deleted. I just asked how Kerry did on FTN, because I didn't see it. Yikes.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 11:11 AM
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22. That's what I was wondering!
Did he discuss any policy alternatives? Did he explain why he missed the NCLB funding vote that would have forced Cheney/Bush to come out directly against funding by breaking the tie? Did he offer any criticism of Bush or the repubs?

Or was it all "Dean, Dean, Dean, Dean, Dean" again?
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 11:17 AM
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24. Two Things
1. Kerry and Edwards promised up front to be there if Daschle said their votes were needed. They are busy campaigning across the country. They can't do it from DC, just like Dean can't do it from Vermont. If the Minority Leader had explained the situation, I'm sure both of them would have gone. So you're basically taking a cheap shot on that one.

2. Kerry was resonding with class to a question that was clearly baiting him to attack Dean. Much like on MTP, when he was baited into calling Bush a dumbass frat boy, but instead said that Bush was a likable guy who wanted to do well, but was a bumbling incompetent. Kerry has class. Just because you are brought up around wealth doesn't mean you have it. I think the original comments that started this proved that.
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molly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 11:18 AM
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25. He answered ALL of the question asked of him
did you miss the show? It was only a handful of minutes.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 11:49 AM
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28. They tried to hit Kerry with Dean's insult about him.
Kerry handled it gracefully and coolly accepted Dean's heated challenge.
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 01:00 PM
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32. Can somebody fill in the details? What was the original challenge?
When, where?

Though I don't think it would be kosher for the 2 of them to have their own debate. McAuliffe won't go for, I'd bet. It's too much of an advantage for Kerry.
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tsipple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 12:49 PM
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31. If Terry McAuliffe and the DNC Agree...
...I'm OK with one-on-one debates. That's the only condition I'd have. Terry McAuliffe and the DNC are there to decide what's best for the party as a whole, and I'm sure both John Kerry and Howard Dean are good Democratic Party members.
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DrFunkenstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 01:03 PM
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33. Now Terry Is The Dean Supporter's Best Friend!
I can remember a time not so long ago where Terry was less appreciated.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-14-03 01:13 PM
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35. *
Edited on Sun Sep-14-03 01:38 PM by RUMMYisFROSTED
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