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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-03 10:32 AM
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Outsider candidates excite voters, only to disappoint
Outsider candidates excite voters, only to disappoint

By RONALD BROWNSTEIN Los Angeles Times




DEAN Internet fund raising critical asset.



WASHINGTON – Obscurity. Electricity. Momentum. Opportunity. Disappointment.

For more than a quarter century, that has been the life cycle for the sort of insurgent presidential candidacy that former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean has fashioned in the race for the 2004 Democratic nomination.

From Democrats Gary Hart, Paul Tsongas, Jerry Brown and Bill Bradley to Republican John McCain, candidates who have run as outsiders – criticizing their party’s direction – have stunned the political world by generating more excitement and amassing more support than appeared possible when they entered the race, just as Dean has done in the past few weeks.

But since Jimmy Carter rode the post- Watergate demand for reform to the White House in 1976, every subsequent insurgent candidate has failed to win his party’s nomination. Each lost to a candidate who had greater support among the party establishment.

Dean’s ability to raise money quickly off the Internet provides him a critical asset unavailable to earlier outsiders, and he also may benefit because none of his rivals has emerged as the favorite of the Democratic elite.

But even with such advantages, experts say, Dean still faces many of the same challenges that have derailed previous insurgents. Those center on a primary calendar and nomination rules that benefit candidates with the most endorsements and money....


Endorsements could be more important to Dean in another respect. Insurgents who strike a chord early invariably face a counterstrike from more established candidates questioning their ideas, experience and commitment to party ideals – doubts often amplified by the media and party interest groups. In the months ahead, Dean could face much tougher questions not only from his rivals but from the media.

“There is an institutional resistance to the dark horse winning it quickly,” Hart said.

Once the questions mount, experts said, insurgents desperately need prominent party officials to send a cue to voters by vouching for them. But the outsiders – after months denouncing the party leadership – have typically found few officials willing to stand with them.

As Dean continues to gain strength, such attacks are likely awaiting him as well. Which means this impassioned outsider soon may need nothing more urgently than insiders who will rise to his defense.

http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/Main.asp?SectionID=25&SubSectionID=354&ArticleID=84277
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 05:23 PM
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1. I've seen some hot hot blazes come down to smoke and ash...
Thanks Joni Mitchell for that little reality check.

This happens every time.
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 06:25 PM
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2. Exactly. Kerry needs to drop out NOW!!!!!!!!!
Dean '04
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 07:28 PM
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3. No - Dean should drop out.
See how ridiculous your post sounds?
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-03 09:14 AM
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6. Let's agree to meet here in 90 days and discuss what's happened with
these two candidates. The child-like and ridiculous 'Dean warnings' such as 'Rove wants Dean', 'he can't win', 'Dean's divisive', 'the DLC hasn't sanctioned him' and on and on and on are so absurd and are only transparent promotions for a candidate, Kerry, who has no chance at all of beating George Bush. None.

ALL predictions concerning the demise of Dean have imploded in the face of his media attention and his ability to focus the other demo candidates on his issues: Anti-War, Pro-health care, etc.

Dean is 'the talk' and his campaign HASN'T EVEN STARTED.

Dean '04.
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AmyStrange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 10:06 PM
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4. hehehehehe

Here are some excellent resources for quotes and sources concerning Bush Lies and mistatements concerning WMDs and other Iraq lies from the Howard Dean Website---even if you're not a Dean Fan, these are still excellent resources:

Bush and WMDs:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer?pagename=bush_wmd_summary

Niger-Uranium Timeline
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer?pagename=niger_timeline

Bush and WMD: Assumptions vs. Reality:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/DocServer/TikTok_-_Bush_-_Iraq_-_Side_by_Side.pdf?docID=781

The Bush Administration and WMD: What did they know and when did they know it?:
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/DocServer/TikTok_-_Administration_-_Iraq_Deception.pdf?docID=762

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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-03 11:26 PM
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5. 60,000 meetup volunteers and counting
If Dean's campaign hadn't made brilliant use out of the meetup site, I'd agree. An "establishment" candidate who could work the traditional party structure would win.

But the Internet will help Dean in more ways than just money (although all the money he can raise will be needed). Those meetup volunteers will form a helluva volunteer canvassing staff.
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-12-03 09:32 AM
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7. Ho-hum
Edited on Sat Jul-12-03 09:33 AM by CMT
more evidence of the press writing off Dean--as if the pundits know their ass from a hole in the ground. That reminds me of the story of Harry Truman just before the election of 1948. Harry was whistlestopping and the train came to a station. Clark Clifford ran out to buy a copy of Newsweek which featured the election predictions of FIFTY--count 'em FIFTY POLITCAL PUNDITS. Clifford took a quick look (not one of the fifty thought Truman was going to win!!) and came back on the train trying to hide the magazine from the president. Truman saw him go off and knew what he was hiding and said, "Clark you may as well let me see it." Clifford hands the magazine over to Truman and HST looks at the article and then sets the magazine aside. "Clark", he says "I know every one of them fellas and not one of them has enough sence to pound sand in a rat hole."

And of course Truman was right. Just like the pundits and polticians who want to diss Dean will be proven wrong.
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