Compare and Contrast - Kerry v. Dean on Today Show

[ModerateMiddle]

Howard Dean, Aug 5
http://www.msnbc.com/news/948491.asp

John Kerry, July 16
http://stacks.msnbc.com/news/939685.asp

[cherryperry]

1. After taking a look at both interviews,

the most glaring issue for me was that Dean sorta attacked other Democrats and Kerry stuck to attacking Bush. Also, as a 1996 Nader voter, I found it absurd for Dean to think he would attract any green party members.

It still seems to me that with the Heinz fortune backing him up and with his insider status among the powers-that-be in the democratic party that Kerry will be the nominee.

[JohnKleeb]

2. I dont think he will and frankly

I think Kerry with his solid environmental record would be more appealing to greens than dean but greens like Kucinich right now and so do I, I am a democrat by the way.

[nocreativename]

3. I'm a green for dean

Only becuase I lobbied for roadless forests, superfund, and against bush's healthy forest bill. I've never seen Kerry really stand out and do much not like Boxer or Murray or even Leach.

And it kind of bothers me that he says he has a great enviro record. It is one thing to vote it is another co spouncer or spouncer bills.

However, Dean has put together a good environmental plan. And really when it comes down to it most American's right now don't about the environmental as mucch as they do jobs.

and this is coming from someone who works for an enviro group.

[JohnKleeb]

11. ok, I understand,

[ModerateMiddle]

13. I think there is a big difference

between speaking up and doing what it takes to get the right things done. Have you checked out Kerry's environmental record? He gets very high marks from LCV.

[JohnKleeb]

14. I can retrieve those

source: http://www.vote-smart.org/issue_rating_category.php?can_id=S0421103#Environment
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2002 On the votes that the American Coalition for Ethanol considered to be the most important in 2002, Senator Kerry voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2002 There is no evaluation available for Senator Kerry from the group Sierra Club.

2001-2002 On the votes that the League of Conservation Voters considered to be the most important in 2001-2002, Senator Kerry voted their preferred position 92 percent of the time.

2001-2002 On the votes that the Comprehensive US Sustainable Population considered to be the most important in 2001-2002, Senator Kerry voted their preferred position 73 percent of the time.

2000 On the votes that the American Lands Alliance considered to be the most important in 2000, Senator Kerry voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

1999-2000 On the votes that the League of Conservation Voters considered to be the most important in 1999-2000, Senator Kerry voted their preferred position 94 percent of the time.

1999-2000 On the votes that the National Parks Conservation Association considered to be the most important in 1999-2000 , Senator Kerry voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

1999-2000 On the votes that the Comprehensive US Sustainable Population considered to be the most important in 1999-2000, Senator Kerry voted their preferred position 84 percent of the time.


These are very good imo.










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[George_Bonanza]

19. You said it kp

Dean definitely can't match up to Kerry on the environment. Words ring hollow when you're in the White House.

[DrFunkenstein]

15. Here Is Public Citizen's Record On Kerry

Pick any year to look at Kerry's record on many of the Green Party's core issues - campaign finance reform, legal rights/civil justice, regulatory protections, health care protection, consumer rights, safe and clean energy, global trade reforms, and corporate welfare. Kerry is consistently one of their highest ranking members of Congress.

Ralph Nader started the group.

http://www.citizen.org/congress/voting/

For zipcode, type in 02101.

[blm]

20. Kerry doesn't have a good environmental record?

Dean has put together a good environmental plan?

I'll alert the media - AND the environmental groups Kerry has been actively working wiith for over 30 years.

[JohnKleeb]

21. maybe for people who expect all A students heh

But with Dean environmentalists wouldnt get an A or a B student. I think Kerry really is one of the good guys, despite his trouble some votes I really think that in some cases Dean would have done the same, and Kerry supported stuff Dean would have opposed and vice versa.
2002 On the votes that the American Coalition for Ethanol considered to be the most important in 2002, Senator Kerry voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

2002 There is no evaluation available for Senator Kerry from the group Sierra Club.

2001-2002 On the votes that the League of Conservation Voters considered to be the most important in 2001-2002, Senator Kerry voted their preferred position 92 percent of the time.

2001-2002 On the votes that the Comprehensive US Sustainable Population considered to be the most important in 2001-2002, Senator Kerry voted their preferred position 73 percent of the time.

2000 On the votes that the American Lands Alliance considered to be the most important in 2000, Senator Kerry voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

1999-2000 On the votes that the League of Conservation Voters considered to be the most important in 1999-2000, Senator Kerry voted their preferred position 94 percent of the time.

1999-2000 On the votes that the National Parks Conservation Association considered to be the most important in 1999-2000 , Senator Kerry voted their preferred position 100 percent of the time.

1999-2000 On the votes that the Comprehensive US Sustainable Population considered to be the most important in 1999-2000, Senator Kerry voted their preferred position 84 percent of the time.

[madfloridian]

4. Who did Dean attack in this morning's interview?

He was asked a direct question about the other candidates. I don't think he attacked others?

What did I miss?

[cherryperry]

8. You are correct! He was responding to a question,

my bad - please forgive me, but I still wish demo candidates wouldn't take the bait, know what I mean? :loveya: :hi:

[Qutzupalotl]

5. Kerry can't use his wife's fortune in his campaign.

She can buy issue ads, though. That's about it.

[DrFunkenstein]

6. That's About It!?!

Do you have any idea how much of a campaign's finances are sucked dry by TV ads? Ask Dean, who's taking a big gamble on his early ads, especially in Texas. Maybe the only good thing Torricelli ever did was address the TV ad aspect of campaign financing. Big media naturally killed his amendment, but the concern is real.

Keep in mind that Teresa is in the top 400 most wealthy people in America. She can buy more than an ad or two if the mood strikes her.

[DrFunkenstein]

7. Dean Dodged The Balanced Budget Question

He said he wouldn't need to slash programs so much as control spending growth. That sounds a little fuzzy to me.

Secondly, I think Lauer - in his innocent way - really knocked back Dean on the scale of Vermont compared to the United States. I think Dean had better prepare for this, because he is sure to be attacked on the insignificance of Vermont's population, revenues, and lack of a major metropolitan area.

[ProfessorPlum]

9. Georgia and Arkansas

are not that big. But you're right, VT is smaller.

[ModerateMiddle]

10. Yeah

Vermont is about the same population as the county I live in.

[killbotfactory]

12. Even though Vermont is small, it still is an example of his values.

He hates defecit spending and knows about handling money, wants to expand healthcare, wants to protect the environment, wants to expand minimum wage, wants policies which will help us in the future, wants to protect civil rights, and won't support useless gun control laws.

[DrFunkenstein]

16. Uh, exactly like Kerry?

One minor note - Dean is actually pretty liberal on gun laws at the national level. Despite his support for "state's rights," his support for the Brady bill and such is going to lead to a clear endorsement for Bush in 2004.

[killbotfactory]

17. Bush supports the current gun laws...

The NRA will endorse him anyway, of course.

But yeah, Saying good things about Dean doesn't mean it's a negative against Kerry. And vice versa.

But Kerry supported child safety locks on all guns which probably wouldn't do anything and seems kind of useless to me.

[DrFunkenstein]

18. I Wasn't Saying It Was Negative Against Kerry

I was pointing out the remarkable similarities of their positions.

And here's Sarah Brady on child safety locks:

"Today, the Senate Judiciary Committee turned its back on America’s children. The Committee voted against a common sense measure, introduced by Sen. Herb Kohl (D-WI), which would require child safety locks to be sold with every handgun in the U.S. To deflect public scrutiny, the Committee passed a toothless substitute amendment, introduced by Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT), which will do nothing to reduce gun injury among children. Hatch’s face-saving amendment simply requires child safety locks to be available for sale in gun stores, it does not require the locks to be sold with every purchase. The Hatch amendment will have no impact because most gun stores already carry child safety locks as part of their standard inventory.

"Sen. Kohl’s proposed legislation, however, would send a clear message to handgun purchaser that the only way to keep children safe from guns in the home is to unload them and lock them up. This is exactly what we need. A recent Justice Department study found that irresponsible gun ownership is rampant in the United States. Fifty-five percent of all handgun owners keep their handguns loaded and 34 percent keep a handgun loaded and unlocked. It should not be surprising, therefore, that children unintentionally fire guns 10,000 times every year, resulting in at least 800 deaths. Another 1,900 children and teenagers attempt suicide with a firearm every year.

"Child safety locks could go a long way in reducing these gun injuries and deaths among young people. In fact, a recent study by the U.S. General Accounting Office found that properly -used child safety locks -- sold for as little as $10.95 -- could prevent all unintentional firearm deaths in which children under age 6 kill themselves or others.

http://www.bradycampaign.org/press/release.asp?Record=72