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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 05:51 PM
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Dean's secret weapon vs. Bush: the New MILLENNIAL GENERATION!
As a paid policitcal consultant, I am aware of something others may have missed -- Dean has a secret weapon that Bush and Rove cannot acquire. There is a New Generation that just reached voting age: the MILLENNIALS! (also called "Generation Dean" or "Generation Y")

In the book "Generations", Strauss and Howe show that there are cycles to generations and this profoundly affects politics. Where Generation X is mostly inactive politically (although some are not) and tends to vote conservative, the upcoming generation is the exact opposite. Known to demographers as the Millennials for their coming of age at the beginning of the Millennium, this new generation was born between 1982 and 2001 and will shove this country so far to the left you will not recognize it.

Merry Christmas!

Born of progressive Boomer parents, the Millennials "echo" their radical/liberal views or find progressivism on their own. In 1996, Howe appeared on TV and actually predicted that the Millennials would soon be out on the street battling the corporations and war by the year 2000. Right on schedule, we had the Battle of Seattle in 1999!

Since then, the many demonstrations at WTO and the anti-Iraq War movement, all mostly young Millennials, HAVE PROVED THIS PREDICTION TRUE. Strauss and Howe go on to predict that the Progressive Boomer Generation and the Progressive Millennial generations eventually form a "Generation Sandwich" as the older "Silents" (born 1922 ro 1941) die off and the Millennials come of age. There are 82 million Boomers and 75 million Millennials. As they reach voting age, the Millennials will vote 90% Democrat or Green if they vote and they will vote in large numbers, probably near 50%.

2004 will be the FIRST Presidential Election they are eligible and there are already 15 million of them of voting age for 2004.

This is Dean's secret weapon that is now staring Rove in the face, as he has had little or still no awareness of it up until now. In December, Rove finally realized he's about to get shlonged and put those desperate ads up to try and get Anybody But Dean. He is now obviously terrified of him or he wouldn't have made those ads. Why?

THE MILLENNIALS!

In addition to the 15 million eligible to vote, add another 7 to 10 million Millennials below the age of 18, many of whom will become Dean workers (500,000 by election day? 600,000??). Since about 45% of the 15 million will vote for Dean, that's an extra 6 to 7 million votes for Dean that Gore did not have! Yes, I know, you'll say, young people will never vote in such numbers.

WRONG!!!! These are not any young people -- they are THE MILLENNIALS, even more fervent and radical than the Boomer Generation!

Many Gen Xers are radical progressives, if they were raised by Boomers or became radical by themselves, yet they are few compared to the 15 million Millennials who become eligible and then active once they realize the Bush will bring back the DRAFT in 2005.

(Here is the Readiness Plan from the SSS, which reduces the activation time from 8 months to 75 DAYS!!
http://www.sss.gov/perfplan_FY2004.html)

When you add the Millennials to the disaffected Republicans, soldiers, veterans, Hispanics, Reagan Democrat Union people and all the people thrown out of work or had their overtime cut, plus all the older people who never voted before, Howard Dean has quite a secret weapon in his back pocket -- and it's called 8 to 10 million extra voters. It will be enough to take Ohio and West Virginia plus all the states Gore won the last time.

That means Dean beats Bush 285 to 253 in the electoral college!

In your face, Karl! At least 8 million extra voters!! It's demographics Republican Jingoism will never be able to penetrate.

And it only gets worse, Karl. Every four years another 15 million Millennials become eligible to vote! In short, the GOP is doomed, my DU friends, and their end is very near.

Here is a review of the Generations book by Warren Dew, which starts by confirming that the predictions written in 1992 about the "Heroic Millennials" have now come true!

A friend of mine lent me this book a few weeks ago. Skeptical about any book purporting to predict the future, I immediately read their predictions section - after all, the book was published ten years ago. To my surprise, I found that their predictions for 1992-2002 were largely correct! So I started again, at the beginning. The book is a work of genius.

The central tenet of this book is that generations don't age the same way, and when looking at generations through history, the correct way to look at them is by cohort - that is, by groups with similar birth years - rather than by age. In other words, if you're born in 1950 and grow up in the '60s and '70s, you'll be different at age 50 than you will if you're born in 1970 and grow up in the '80s and '90s. Strauss and Howe then trace a number of generational cohorts through American History, and find evidence of a cycle of generational types - usually a four part cycle, but in one case a three part cycle. For example, they liken Gen X (whom they call "13ers"), born in 1961-1980, to the "Lost" generation born in the late 1800s.

As a trailing edge boomer, born in 1960, I was not surprised to find that the authors, both boomers, correctly identify the defining characteristics of my generation - characteristics that I happen to dislike, as I'm in the minority that don't fit the mold that well, but that I have to acknowledge as accurate for the majority. On the other hand, the description of the Silent generation, to which my parents belong, was an eye opener - it explained well why my fathers views of what different stages in a man's life are like seemed so alien to me. The description of Gen X was likewise enlightening, both in terms of explaining some of my previous business interactions with Gen Xers (they always seem so surprised when someone actually gives them a break - turns out it's because they hardly ever get breaks) and helped me understand and interact much better with one particular Gen X who is very important to me - my wife. The description of the Millenials seems to be accurate so far for undergraduates I work with.


To buy the Generations book go to Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0688119123/qid=1072383763/sr=2-3/ref=sr_2_3/002-0321525-5012815

There are many progressive Gen Xers who are really more early Millennials. And the Gen Xers here at DU are certainly of the Progressive variety!! Yay!

So we don't need to get into a pissing match about the Generations. We are all against Bush and to get rid of him we WILL unite the Generations and vote him out.

Many Gen Xers have already woken up in the last 3 years and now see through Bush or have been affected by him someway to make them politically active (lost their job, their overtime, got shot in the leg, worried about their job going overseas). Plus don't forget, if they are computer experts or linguists, doctors or nurses they will have to register for the SPECIAL SKILLS and MEDICAL DRAFT by May 1, 2005 (after Bush and the COngress reinstate conscription on April 1, 2005 -- April Fool's Day).

So let's not let the Generations divide us -- that is not real compared to the PNAC Plan to take Central Asia. THAT is real.

ALSO: I'm not saying every Millennial will be progressive radicals, not in 2003, but more in 2004 and a lot more in 2005 when the DRAFT is re-instated. I'm saying 45% will vote for Dean (and no one else--outside of Kucinich who won't make it). The other 55% will not vote or vote for Bush in small numbers. Maybe 10% of the 15 million will vote GOP. So you see, I'm predicting that the 18-22 vote will equal the percentage of older voters (but not the Gen Xers -- who will remain lower). And the parties both intend to try and reach every voter this year--at least in the swing states, and Dean WILL contact every voter period.

This is what activates the Millennials and gets them going, the one-on-one contact from the campaigns. Plus the DRAFT will become the main issue for them as it becomes clear Bush will need it in 2005 and is actively readying the SSS machinery so the first DRAFT LOTTERY is June 15, 2005.

People don't really become political until a certain age and series of events hits them. I'm predicting what will happen in 2004 and 2005 as the election and the coming DRAFT enters their consciousness and their CONSCIENCE. Many but certainly not all Pro-Bush or apathetic Millennials will then go Dean as the Dean outreach efforts call all of them on the phone or knock on their door.

Meanwhile, the Millennials already aware will finally have a reason to vote but they won't even register unless their state has an important primary or until the Dean campaign contacts them and registers them on the spot (March to October 2004).

So whatever is true now will be completely transformed by October 2004. Then take a survey, Mr. Rove -- and read it and weep because Bush cannot win, even after you steal FL and OH.

CALLING ALL MILLENNIALS (and you Boomers and Progressive Gen Xers, too) -- IT'S TIME TO TAKE YOUR COUNTRY BACK!

MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE, BECAUSE NOW YOU KNOW THE SECRET TOO!
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 05:58 PM
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1. Thanks for your spirited and hopeful post!
I've noticed the dedicated young people in my area all going out for Dean and I have been very encouraged by their participation and dedication.

I remember a few years back a discussion I had with my sister-in-law and niece and I was pleasantly surprised by how passionately my niece disliked the death penalty. This board has many thoughtful very young people as well.

Merry Christmas and to all young Millenniums, a big :hi:
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 06:04 PM
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2. My generation is left mostly?
:shrug:
Really if thats so, maybe I ought not to worry any more, its just those damn hawks in class. I miss voting by a year next year bummer.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 06:12 PM
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3. We will win
As to the future of the GOP I hear it more and more, they have
morphed into a radical organization

Reminds me of the WHIGS, the 1800 lost generation... sounds
familiar folks
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 06:12 PM
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4. Rove's Secret Weapon: Dean is a Draft-Dodger.
It's documented: Dean said he didn't want to serve and showed up at the draft board with a note from his orthopedist, an X-ray from his radiologist, and said just the right things about when his back hurt.

After trading his student deferment for a 1-Y classification, it was odd that his back so quickly healed he could spend the winter skiing.

That's the Truth. And while it's no secret on DU, ask around and most people haven't heard.

Should Dean become the DEM nominee, everyone is going to hear about it. Once the psyops folks at ABCNNBCBSFOXETC get a hold of the story, they'll juxtapose photos of the burning WTC towers, the toppling Saddam statue, and Dean wearing a toque and his big grin on the slopes at Vale.

Don't blame me. Blame Dean.
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 06:29 PM
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5. The Democrats Not-So-Secret-Weapon: Howard Dean! Dean will level
Bush as he has the annointed frontrunners this primary season. Kerry's war hero was a non-issue as will Dean's Vietnam era successes.

Dean '04...
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 10:43 PM
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15. Non-issue to you, but not to most Americans.
When it comes to the "War on Terror," the American people support Bushler by a large margin. Why? Think 9-11.

National security is where the election will be fought and can be won. How? With John Kerry as the Democratic nominee.

Otherwise, it's four more years of Sneer and his sidekick Smirk. They know how to play the terra alert cards. Heck, they and the unelected fascist stooges they work for are probably responsible for a lot of REAL terror, going back to November 22, 1963.
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 02:08 PM
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31. How well has 'Kerry as Soldier' played thus far in the primary season??
Not too well. An intelligent alternative is what Dean represents and as an opposer to bombing sheperds he's playing well.

Dean '04...
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LA4Kerry Donating Member (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 11:22 PM
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16. Not a chance
Believe me, it's in the GOP's best interest to have Howard Dean as the nominee. If he is, within 5 seconds the "psyops folks at ABCNNBCBSFOXETC" will release the story of Dean's draft dodging, and it will all be over for Howie, we will be stuck with 4 more years of GWB and a sick feeling in our stomachs over what could have been.

The same people have chosen NOT to highlight JK's military war hero status because it doesn't help GWB's cause (to be re-selected). But it's NOT TOO LATE! Get behind the ELECTABLE candidate (John Kerry) NOW, before it's too late!
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 02:10 PM
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32. Clark as 'General' Kerry as 'Vietnam Hero'...neither has played well.
Dean '04...Kerry, Gep, Lieb..and now Bush.
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 08:30 PM
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11. Please think before you type
A back injury is exactly what one doesn't want in the buddy on your right or left when you are out fighting. You have no cover if and when that back gives out from the physical abuse that real war is. Back injuries don't carry packs, don't march all over creation, don't do much of anything. If a back goes out on the ski slope, only one fool gets hurt. In a patrol the US could easily lose everybody because of one downed soldier at the wrong time. NOt a good way to run an army.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 10:37 PM
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14. Bad back didn't stop this Democrat.
When the United States Army turned him down, JFK enlisted in the United States Navy.



He also was wounded when his command, PT-109, was sliced in two by a Japanese destroyer. His back injuries didn't matter, as Kennedy swam 3 miles to a nearby island, towing the most seriously injured member of his crew by holding the straps of the sailor's life preserver in his mouth. That's a man qualified to be President of the United States and that's the man John Kerry has patterned his own career after. Kerry's qualified, as well. No coward, Kerry led men in combat and returned a hero.

Regarding Dean: Here are the fact of his case. Please read before you type:

Dean admits using deferment to skirt draft

November 24, 2003
BY DAVID RENNIE

WASHINGTON -- Howard Dean, the front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination, has admitted dodging the Vietnam draft, obtaining a medical deferment for a back condition and then spending 10 months skiing.

Asked if he could have served 33 years ago despite his back condition, Dean told the New York Times: "I guess that's probably true. I mean, I was in no hurry to get into the military."

Dean's candor may not have been wholly voluntary.

With his campaign under intense scrutiny from Democratic rivals, it was only a matter of time before attacks focused on his remarkable recovery from spondylolesthesis, a painful condition caused by a misalignment of the spine.

CONTINUED...

http://www.suntimes.com/output/elect/cst-nws-dean24.html
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dogman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 09:17 AM
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28. Back injury?
Tell that to the members of PT109.
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polpilot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 09:20 AM
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37. "Kerry's secret weapon: Dean is a draft dodger."
Wonder if it will work as well for Shrub?

Dean '04...
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-13-04 07:20 AM
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56. That's not draft-dodging, Octafish...
...but your most recent example of anti-Dean spin is noted.
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DLCfromGA Donating Member (42 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 06:52 PM
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6. Young centrist shift
Don't know if this is true...

Dean has a lot of committed student volunteers and supporters, but...

Most young people, with 9/11 being their formative experience, are generally more pro-war than their parents.

Young people are also more conservative than their parents on economic issues (Clinton years)...

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fishguy Donating Member (373 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 07:03 PM
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7. Millenial sounds cultish
Like the freaks who thought the world was going to end at the turn of the century and bought every generator in sight.
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JaySherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 07:26 PM
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9. I think it's got a very positive ring to it.
Edited on Thu Dec-25-03 07:27 PM by JaySherman
Unlike the "Generation X" label, which I despise with a passion :mad:. It has optimistic implications of a generation that can bring about a lot of change. Let's hope it's for the better.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 11:39 PM
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18. It's Millennial with two ns
and it's just a Demographic term that has been used for years by demographers. It means this new activist generation will build the social and political revolution that will be the foundation of the new millennium. It's PNAC and the neocons that's a cult, the Millennials are organic, socially conscious environmentalists--which the other side will tell you sounds like a cult just to put it down when they are the real mystified cult and believe they can take over the world with force.

The Millennial generation is also called Generation Y, the Boom Boom and now Generation Dean. The point is that it has the clear potential to be quite different politically, especially once the reality of DRAFT REINSTATEMENT sinks in.

Urge all to read the book before criticizing it (always a good idea)!
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Sully Donating Member (75 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 03:14 AM
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27. Yes kind of like the "Harmonic Convergence"
A mix of media hype, some astrological wooga booga, marketing by health food stores and a large number of devotees who are convinced!

haha! I find the entire thing verrry amusing!

And what ever happened to that planetary alignment thing (supposedly an actual astronomical event)?

And that will be the fate of the Dean campaign if we are fools enough to believe in his silly granfalloon! Hahahaha! BTW for the uninitiated into the absurd...

On Granfalloons::

"If you wish to study a granfalloon,
Just remove the skin of a toy balloon."

--Kurt Vonnegut, Poetry of Bokonon


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He loved Big Brother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-04 04:08 AM
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43. Most young people I know
are pissed at Clinton about NAFTA, and barely anybody I've spoken to in my age group wanted the war in Iraq.

Trust me, you want us at the polls.
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JaySherman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 07:21 PM
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8. That's would be great if it's true, but...
Edited on Thu Dec-25-03 07:23 PM by JaySherman
Why are college students (more than 60% of them) among *'s biggest supporters?

http://www.buzzflash.com/editorial/03/12/edi03011.html
http://www.ksg.harvard.edu/press/releases/2003/iop_survey_102203.htm

Sorry, but if there's a shift to the left among Millennials, I'm not seeing it. :shrug:

Edited due to my poor typing and proofreading skills.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 08:49 PM
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13. This poll is highly skewed toward the current Harvard population --
very rich and very Republican. Look at a poll of those who don't go to Harvard and you find something completely different. For instance, this poll says 82% intend to vote!

That's very different from youth polls that traditionally showing voting in the 30% ranges not the 80s.
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windansea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-01-04 09:19 PM
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44. Incorrect...the Harvard poll was nationwide
The survey of 1202 college students nationwide finds –

I believe this is the second time I have corrected you on this.

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Upfront Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 11:24 PM
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17. Wait Till They Start The Draft
You will seee it then.
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dnbmathguy Donating Member (112 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 08:20 PM
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10. While I'll grant that most of my classmates are fairly liberal
I think your numbers might be a bit inflated. I wouldn't say that 90% of my classmates are Democrats/Greens. And, of course, not all of us support Howard Dean as our first choice.

My 18th birthday is the day after the inauguration... you have no idea how frustrating that is.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 08:40 PM
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12. I turn 18 that July
Yep not all of us and welcome nice to meet another person my age. I notice you support Congressman Gephardt, he is not my choice but I appreciate what he does for labor. Most of my classmates I think may be GOP, sadly.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-25-03 11:42 PM
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19. Give'em time
Wait until the Dean campaign contacts them directly with their own age group and tells them the truth about Bush, they will join up--or maybe not vote...
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 03:19 AM
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36. I think we all not just the Dean campaign need to tell them the truth
I know for fact all of us aren't supporters of Dean, I dont support him now, because I prefer my candiate on the issues and as a person, but should Dean be our guy, you got my tears and sweat. We must unite regardless of who will support to tell the truth of what has happened to our once great nation.
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Le Taz Hot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 07:53 AM
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23. Can I just say
a grateful THANK YOU to both of you for caring enough to be involved in the process. You give hope to this aging baby boomer. :)

To borrow Opi's lingo: Come, we protest this regime together. B-)
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 03:17 AM
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35. I try le taz
I dont do it because I enjoy it, I do it because its a call of duty. I dont know where most kids will go, I saw a kid with a Dean button on my way to the foyer a few weeks back and it was neat, and some of my english classmates like DK, which is neat. My motto is viva la liberation.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 12:16 AM
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20. Has there ever been a presidential election which was won by a "new"...
...generation?

I'm just wondering if there's a history of this kind of thing?

I mean, I understand how Nixon won twice, despite/because of Vietnam war. I know how FDR beat back the American fascists. I know why Wilson won. I know why William Jennings Bryan didn't. I could be wrong, but I'm not familiar with any candidate (and there have been some good ones) winning because they brought out a new generation of voters...
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 12:31 AM
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21. The book talks about that quite extensively and the answer is YES!
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0688119123/qid=1072383763/sr=2-3/ref=sr_2_3/002-0321525-5012815

I recommend buying this book and deciding for yourself.

Starting with the activist generation of the American Revolution itself (parallels to the Millennial generation), and moving on through the widening of the franchise by Andrew Jackson, through to FDR and JFK and Ronald Reagan for that matter (the rise of Generation X), the book shows that the 20-year cycle of generations has enormous impact and usually brings a sea change when it comes of voting age.

That's what the Millennials are already doing for Dean and 2004 isn't even here yet. There are 82 million Boomers and 75 million Millennials (15 million suddenly eleigible to vote). In other words, it will soon be lights out for the Repukes, if not in 2004, certainly in 2008.

If there are still such things as fair elections in 2008.
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Vis Numar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 03:22 AM
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22. Younger Gen
On certain issues, like even calling it "gay marriage" the younger gen is really really liberal. That's why I'm hoping the GOP tries to tar Dean with this-- they will lose an entire generation due to their intolerance.
However, 9/11 is their formative experience, and they all watched Bush on TV, and have been pumped with the media's take on that issue, so they tend to support the military much more than, say, the youth during the early 70's.
Also, McGovern's team thought the youth vote would pull them through, and that did not materialize at all. I'm not saying it won't happen, I do think that Dean will win amongst younger voters, but its not really key as much as getting those middle-aged voters to get involved that haven't participated before now.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 09:37 PM
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24. Here's another poll that had youth leaning to Dems at 51%, up from 32%
Edited on Fri Dec-26-03 09:57 PM by Dems Will Win
in Sept/Oct 2002

http://www.pewtrusts.com/pdf/young_voters5_081103.pdf

This is a poll of all youth 18-24, not just the college undergraduates. And only the 18-20 year olds in this poll were Millennials and so even this poll doesn't give us the generational breakdown, as it mixes 2 years of Millennials with the last 4 years of Gen X.

The Dem ID went up from 32% in 1998 to 51% in 2002. Quite a rise although the surveyers think their samples from Scranton and El Paso helped there.

The main point is, for those who still don't get it, is that many in the group of 18 to 22 year-olds will not become politically active until they are reached out to by both the Dean and Bush campaigns. That will happen soon and Dean will be far more successful tapping into the non-voters as they are more naturally Democrat due to the Millennial echo of Boomer politics and activism.

So whether the rate for Dean now is low or many say they won't vote is irrelevant. When they are contacted, and this poll shows how to do that by the way, it was a study of just that, then young adults become active and the Millennials will be that SQUARED!

Just a prediction based on the predictions of Howe and Strauss in the Generations book--that's why looking at polls now is just plain silly!


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Maximus Darius Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 10:31 PM
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25. Courting young voters can yield meager results
"Diminishing numbers of young Americans voted in past 3 decades..."

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/11/03/elec04.youth.vote.ap/
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-26-03 11:14 PM
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26. Hello! What the Generations book predicts is that the diminshing
trend will reverse among the Millennials born after 1981. So that study is irrelevant, obsolete and outta here!

The next 20 years this country will go so far to the left you're not going to recognize it, if Howe and Strauss are correct--and so far they have been for the last 11 years!!
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TexasPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 02:24 AM
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34. i'm somewhere in the middle here
i think dems has a point - in that a lot more young people are saying 'what the hell is wrong with this country' re bush - but they're not 'Dean Supporters' so much as they're supporting Dean because they think Bush is a dumbass. I dont think we'll see the numbers continue to decline, but I dont think they'll rise substantially either.

The other problem is that the unions are less and less able to direct their members to tow the line... etc etc... most of the base entities on the left have atrophied over the last 30 years.

We cannot run a polarizing campaign. Bush has already given us that voter - we should run centrist and take both camps. Trippi has already called for a polarizing campaign though - so if we get Dean we're in for a very disaffected centrist voting block in the fall (and trying to convince them to vote change is going to be very very hard).

I HOPE you're right dems - and that we'll get a massive groundswell of 15 million young voters who all vote dem and change the tide. It would have massive downballot effects - and we could actually get a lot accomplished. I'm just a bit more realistic in my expectations.

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He loved Big Brother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 10:08 PM
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41. You're right, why bother trying, eh? /sarcasm
Not like anyone does anyway.
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ErasureAcer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 10:41 AM
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29. I'm 22 and I'm supporting Kucinich
actually I'm 21...but my birthday is in less than a week.

Anyhow, my cousin is also about to be 22 and he too is supporting Dennis Kucinich for President.

I think people our age see through Dean's bullshit and flip-flops fairly well.
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-27-03 11:30 AM
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30. I read that book
several years ago, very interesting.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-28-03 04:18 PM
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33. Here's more proof Millennials are coming over the hill to our rescue!
Edited on Sun Dec-28-03 04:18 PM by Dems Will Win
http://millennialpolitics.com/manifesto/intro/index.html

“ We are the generation we have been waiting for!”
– Marc Kielburger, Millennial Founder of Leaders Today.


INTRODUCTION


A Better World is Possible
For far too long, young Americans have been overlooked, undervalued, and misunderstood. An entire generation has been growing up shackled by the stereotypes of generations past and the socially acceptable discrimination against youth. But not anymore. Instead, we are standing up to declare our generational identity, affirm our self-worth, proclaim what issues we care about, and decide in what direction we are taking this country. We are proud members of the Millennial Generation and this is our story.

The Millennial Generation
Americans born between 1976 and 1996 are the next great generation in our country’s history.(#1) We are not Generation X, and we do not like to be called Generation Y. Some people call us the: DARE Generation, Hip Hop Generation, September 11 Generation, Net Generation, Sunshine Generation, and more. For this book, we prefer the name “The Millennial Generation” because, just as the year 2000 offered hope and promise for the future, so too does our generation. The turn of the millennium represented advances in technology and a new global outlook that are our generation’s reality. The year 2000 also brought to the forefront concerns about terrorist threats and technology run amuck. Fear and faith for the future, potential not yet met – this is our generation. We are Millennials.

Five significant influences and events differentiate Millennials from Gen Xers and, in doing so shape our generation’s identity. These five factors are (1) the end of the Cold War, (2) the Information Revolution, (3) the new economy, (4) our increasingly diverse society, and (5) the events of September 11, 2001.

The End of the Cold War
Millennials were thirteen years old or younger when the Berlin Wall came down and symbolically ended the Cold War. Unlike Gen Xers and Boomers who feared the A-bomb while growing up and may have practiced nuclear war drills hidden underneath desks in school, Millennials never pictured where they would be on The Day After the bomb fell. The end of the Cold War ushered in a “New World Order:” globalization flourished and previously closed countries opened their borders to tourists, trade, and their own internal conflicts. Multinational corporations and international organizations proliferated, as did our awareness of the people outside of the United States, beyond the two dimensional internationalism of a bi-polar world.

The Information Revolution
Millennials ranged from teenagers to infants in 1995 when the Internet changed the world. As a result, most Millennials don’t use phone books, foldable maps, or heavy dictionaries – we go online for just about everything. Even the cell phone savvy teenagers of today will frequently IM (instant message) more often than they speed dial, and many of us read online presses as our primary source of “print” news. The Information Revolution has empowered us unlike any other generation in the history of the United States. The web enables us to organize our thoughts with issue-oriented or personality-reflecting web pages. Online discussion boards, newsletters, and email allow us to meet other like-minded individuals and learn from their experiences. Through the web, activists organize from Los Angeles to New York City and find solidarity with people overseas. In short, the Internet has turned traditional power structures upside-down, empowering students to teach their teachers, and kids to show their parents the way. Young, ambitious activists are molding a new era in history.

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whirlygigspin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 11:04 PM
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38. One of my favorite books of all time
But unfortunately, I do remember that the millennials would be champions of rebuilding from some massive detruction/republican order falling somewhere between 2007-2012, under the 40 year cycle:

"Social Moments are themselves periodic. That is, they are comprised of a Secular Crisis (an economic depression or a major cataclysmic war) and a Spiritual Awakening, one such pair during each era and each such Social Moment about 40-years apart. Thus, the peer personalities (each different for the four generations in an era) are formed by each generation's reaction to the major happenings about them and the outcome of these happenings (success, victory, or the opposite) depends upon the constellation of the peer personalities of those who face the challenges of the period. This meets the scientific definition of a system that is periodic but which may dissolve into chaos.

So far, this behavior has been in periodic equilibrium in America. That is, we have been sufficiently fortunate that the outcomes have been successful and victorious. The science of surprise, Chaos Theory, tells us, however, that such systems can experience very small changes in the 'constant of complexity' and stable periodic equilibrium can abruptly change to either an exponentially 'good' outcome or come to a catastrophic and sudden end, or any random point in between. Scientists at the Santa Fe Institute and Los Alamos National Laboratory have studied past civilizations which have experienced such catastrophe and have explained their demise in terms of this scientific theory. Earlier historians, Gibbon, Toynbee and others have documented just such an end for all civilizations which have preceded us.

The authors accumulate historical data in patterns that make plausible the notion that American civilization is indeed such a system.
http://www.newtotalitarians.com/GenerationsBookReview.html
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whirlygigspin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 11:12 PM
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39. The Fourth Turning
The Fourth Turning is a Crisis, a decisive era of secular upheaval, when the values regime propels the replacement of the old civic order with a new one. This turning is history's great discontinuity. It ends one epoch (of about 80 to 100 years) and begins another.

Our nation has experienced four such Fourth Turnings since the beginning of the New World saeculum in 1675 (the Glorious Revolution).

If this cycle holds in the future, we are likely to experience our fifth such Fourth Turning, the Millennial Crisis, around the year 2005. It should be completed sometime near 2026.

http://www.newtotalitarians.com/FourthTurningBookReview.html
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-31-03 04:07 PM
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42. I believe the Fourth Turning came a few years early because of
9-11, Bush, Iraq and the soon-to-be resumed draft. This has already awakened the Millennials and they will be active this year, not after 2005.

Otherwise I would agree with you--I understand the theory. It would occur later, but 9-11 shattered the equilibrium. The evidence is in the numbers of young people in the anti-pre-war movement and in the Dean campaign.

The Turning has already begun!
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He loved Big Brother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-30-03 07:46 AM
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40. WOW
Excellent post. WE WILL LOSE WITHOUT THE YOUTH VOTE!!! I wish more would wke up and realize that, and give them a reason to get their asses to the polls!

I am bookmarking this one.
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diamondsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 12:41 PM
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46. Some of us ARE, just not for Dean. n/t
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Progressive420 Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 01:43 PM
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47. I would just like to say
I am a Millenial and with all due respect I believe that any Democrat(except Lieberman) will win the vote of most of the people of my generation its not just a Howard Dean thing.
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jerryster Donating Member (685 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 01:55 PM
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48. And the wishful thinking continues here at DU
I haven't logged on in a couple of weeks because of my schedule. To my dismay yours was the first post I read today. Bush can't win? Please. If we want to beat this guy we have to get real and that means taking a few necessary steps. First, let's admit that he CAN win, which he can, and focus on how to beat him. Next, someone slap Dr. Dean upside the head and tell him to think before he opens his mouth. One of the criticisms leveled at GWB AND Clinton was that they lacked foreign policy experience. It was true of both but neither one was dumb enough to talk about "plugging the hole on my resume". Quite the opposite, they both insisted that they DID have a plan for foreign policy. Sometimes you have to tell people what they need to hear.

8 to 10 million extra voters? That no one knows about? Come on. If you want to wishful think, go right ahead. But if you actually believe that there are 8 to 10 million extra voters that noone knows about you're dreaming.

Finally, what concerns me is that many people on DU seem to read only the stuff posted on DU and communicate only with others on DU. That's bad because it can cause tunnel vision. One can start to believe that EVERYONE thinks like we do and wants what we want because other DU voices are all some people are hearing. Do I find the mainstream press right wing biased? Hell, yes. But like it or not that's where the batttle will be fought. If our candidate, whoever he is, isn't prepared for it -as GB will be- we lose. So please stop believing that Bush can't win. Ironically that is the type of thinking that will ensure that he does.
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Dems Will Win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-02-04 11:58 PM
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49. Wishful Thinking? The new CNN poll has dean only 5% behind Bush
It's Bush who is unelectable.

I agree, however, only if we work hard and raise lots of money and grassroots against him. I am assuming that. If we do that the Millennials register in great numbers and the above does happen.

The youth vote will soar from 30% to at least 55% when they realize Bush will reinstate the draft if re-elected. That is not so hard to see...
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 02:01 AM
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51. Because we certainly don't have enough parties
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He loved Big Brother Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 02:15 AM
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52. What would your solution to that be?
A Constitutional amendment?
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icbydass Donating Member (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-09-04 11:48 PM
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53. Sorry, I just don't see it
Just from personal observations, it looks like many young people are swinging back to conservatism.
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watercolors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-10-04 08:56 PM
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54. Maybe it's true
Two grandsons for Dean, one 19, the other 20,One in college other in air force and will be deployed in a few weeks to IRAQ. He has been for Dean right along. I hope he gets to vote! Youngest one is a computer wiz and caught onto Dean thru INTERNET. Lets hope there are many more who want to vote. Remember this is a generation who live by the INTERNET!
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carpetbagger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-12-04 06:49 PM
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55. 90% democrats?
This is faith-based politics.
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