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The Sushi Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 04:16 PM
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Scary Photos of NY Police formations for the GOP convention
Edited on Thu Jul-29-04 04:44 PM by The Sushi Bandit





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The Sushi Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 04:20 PM
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1. Part 2





NYTimes, Bloggers, Document NYPD "Surges" in Convention Runup

by IMCista 29 Jul 2004
Today, the New York Times had a lengthy article today on the 80-vehicle NYPD "surges" that have been charging down city streets in the run-up to the Republican convention. Writes Michael Slackman:
"It goes something like this: On a typical block in, say, Midtown Manhattan, as many as 80 police cars quickly stream in out of nowhere, in neat rows, their lights and sirens going. The drills seem to take place on blocks with restricted parking, and each car executes a fast back-in parking job against the curb."

Way out in front of the Times, a blogger at Cityrag has been documenting the surges for the last month. Read more about 'em and see lots of pictures over there.

Today, the New York Times had a lengthy article today on the 80-vehicle NYPD "surges" that have been charging down city streets in the run-up to the Republican convention. Writes Michael Slackman:
"It goes something like this: On a typical block in, say, Midtown Manhattan, as many as 80 police cars quickly stream in out of nowhere, in neat rows, their lights and sirens going. The drills seem to take place on blocks with restricted parking, and each car executes a fast back-in parking job against the curb."

Way out in front of the Times, a blogger at Cityrag has been documenting the surges for the last month. Read more about 'em and see lots of pictures over there.

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The Sushi Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 04:21 PM
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2. Part 3
Edited on Thu Jul-29-04 04:23 PM by The Sushi Bandit

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Ruffhowse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 04:25 PM
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3. scary-their helmets look like Nazi issue circa 1940
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 05:36 PM
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17. Uh - some of that doesn't look like NYPD issue


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DB_ Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 12:01 AM
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8. uhfootball
Bah, I can't private message you since I don't have enough posts yet. I just pray you revisit this thread. Please email me, if you used to post at the old forum. I am looking for a Sushi Bandit who used to post there and I hope it's you.

Aloha,
DB
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Syncronaut Seven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 05:09 PM
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4. Anybody got a bag of marbles?
Think outside the box.
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The Sushi Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 10:58 AM
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6. Excellent Idea!
If all the protesters were given a bag each...
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 04:08 PM
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12. I don't think that's funny.
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izzie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-29-04 06:14 PM
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5. Well I have seen it before and it was also a shock
Anti-war demo's at sub bases, living in SA, and the US army in Germany in the 50's.Police state sort of.I found it scary. Just think how the blacks felt during the civil right stuff. Or Unions when the big guys did not want the union. All very scary to me.
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DB_ Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-24-04 11:47 PM
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7. Aloha Sushi Bandit
just checking on you, I'm pm'ing you
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 12:03 AM
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9. This has been going on for a couple months.
Nothing new. I think the machine gunners are special forces types like terror squads.
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name not needed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 03:31 PM
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10. Yeah, this is going to be peaceful.
Looks like this could be Miami all over again.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 03:51 PM
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11. they dont look scary to me. What I saw in Savannah was much
worse and meant to be more frightening....like Freddy with tthe long
nails guy scary....

these just look like regular NY cops - so far.
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 04:09 PM
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13. No, they don't look scary at all. But this thread is meant to
prime people for violence, making them think it's inevitable.

It's not.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 04:47 PM
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16. It is not meant to prime for violence. Its meant to warn the cops will be
violent and are looking for excuses....

check out the Daily news of N.Y> if you want primed for violence./

What the pluck are you talking about@!%^&%*(&)
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 05:41 PM
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18. Oh really? Why the talk about marbles, if this thread isn't meant to
incite?

There is priming for violence on the side of the cops as well as the protestors. I'm sick of the macho crap that's been creeping up on these boards over the last few days. It doesn't serve the cause.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 06:32 PM
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20. Related to a cop huh?
well, dear, if some bastard was coming at me with spray that would
choke off my air, burn my lungs,and my eyes, and bring on unconsciousness, and I happened to have a bag of marbles in my pocket
I think it would be a goddmammed fucking good thing to drop them in his way...let him hurt his ass - instead of cause me a heart attack.

Got it...;l;fjkeafgi fureq htg

And you dont have to read the thread either....

You dont seem to get it - these are nazi tactics...not American freedom and guaranteed constitutional rights to protest your bad government.

and if you are related to a storm trooper, you mmight exzplain that
these people are out there protesting for him and his freedom and
rights also.

It was a funny thing about the German Jews. They supported Hitler
full force, because they considered themselves Germans first.

When he stuffed them in ovens, they remembered they were Jews --that
is all he got except those who escaped into the American governmenmt.
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 07:14 PM
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23. No. Sorry your so angry. eom
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 04:39 PM
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14. Boston was worse
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 04:44 PM
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15. Cops staging propaganda justifying possible roughhouse treatment:
Anarchists hot for mayhem

Police on guard vs. violent tactics


By PATRICE O'SHAUGHNESSY
DAILY NEWS POLICE BUREAU


Extra security around Madison Square Garden. Officers check identification of tourists who were taking videos of the officers and the station.


Anarchist burns American flag during rally to protest law enforcement groups conference in Seattle last year.

Fifty of the country's leading anarchists are expected to be in the city for the Republican National Convention, and a handful of them are hard-core extremists with histories of violent and disruptive tactics, according to police intelligence sources.
Police said each of the 50 have up to 50 followers who are willing to be arrested during disturbances at the convention. This group, police say, is expected to engage for the most part in civil disobedience, including sit-ins in front of delegates' buses. They also may stage more direct-action tactics, such as vandalizing McDonald's and Starbucks.

But a handful of activists with violent pasts have police concerned they will recruit others into dangerous confrontations.

"The older radicals are interacting with the newer anarchists and it's a bad mix," said one police source.

For example, NYPD intelligence reports say Kazi Toure, a Black Panther from Boston also known as Christopher King, convicted in the 1980s of conspiracy to overthrow the government, and with arrests for bank robbery and transporting firearms, was observed training younger militants in weapons use.

And a 20-year-old New Yorker who allegedly leads "The Organization" is advocating shutting down the Brooklyn Bridge, and hurling bricks followed by Molotov cocktails through the windows of military recruiting stations, according to these reports. The man has four minor arrests for nonviolent offenses and the Daily News is withholding his name.

Richard Picariello, 55, a '70s radical in the Boston area, a one-time member of the Fred Hampton Unit of the People's Army, named for a slain radical, also is known to be active in current causes.

"He has been talking to groups ... recruiting others into extreme measures," said a high-ranking police source.

In 1978, Picariello was sent to prison for helping to blow up a plane at Logan Airport, two National Guard trucks and a courthouse in Boston.

Since his release from federal prison, he has been involved in various groups, and has arrests for minor offenses such as refusing to move out of the way of President Bush's motorcade in Boston last March.

Picariello is allied with ANSWER (Act Now to Stop the War and End Racism). Efforts to reach him through ANSWER's New York office and through his Boston lawyer were not successful.

Jaggi Singh, 32, a Canadian citizen, is known for allegedly setting off hoax devices to detour police resources. He allegedly catapulted teddy bears soaked with gasoline at police at the Quebec G-20 protest in 2001, according to NYPD reports.

A member of the International Solidarity Movement, or ISM, he was seen shooting a handgun, and allegedly received firearms training from Toure, according to a police source.

"The vast majority of the 250,000 protesters will be peaceful, but we are concerned about a relatively small number of individuals coming to the city to engage in vandalism and violent activity," said Paul Browne, NYPD spokesman.

Besides The Organization and ISM, police have identified three other groups with a history of violence, whose members are willing to be arrested for serious crimes.

They are: Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty, Anarchist Black Cross and No Police State.


Potentially violent groups identified by the NYPD


SHAC - Stop Huntingdon Animal Cruelty
In May, federal prosecutors in Newark arrested seven members from the animal rights group, charging they used a campaign of intimidation and harassment against a company that tests pharmaceuticals on animals. Authorities said SHAC used vandalism, stalking, computer hacking and blitzes of E-mail, telephone calls and faxes to menace Huntingdon Life Sciences, a British company with labs in New Jersey.

U.S. Attorney Christopher Christie called the groups members "violent fanatics."

The feds also charged SHAC had targeted Huntingdon employees and shareholders. SHAC members allegedly went to homes of Huntingdon workers where they slashed tires and spray-painted slogans.

In 2003, FBI domestic terrorism agents seized computers and other materials from the groups offices in Franklin Township, N.J., and a Seattle home. The British-based group has worldwide chapters.


International Solidarity Movement (ISM)
Describes itself as a Palestinian-led movement of activists working to raise awareness of the struggle for Palestinian freedom and to end Israeli occupation. Claims to use "nonviolent" methods of resistance to confront and challenge Israeli occupation forces and policies.

The group deploys foreign volunteers as buffers, placing them between Israeli troops and Palestinian civilians during military operations.

In 2003, its members acknowledged meeting with two Britons before the pair carried out a suicide bombing in Tel Aviv, but denied any knowledge of the plan.

Also last year, a member of the group died while trying to stop an Israeli Army bulldozer.


Anarchist Black Cross
Follows the teachings of former Black Panther and "anarchist revolutionary" Lorenzo Komboa Ervin. The goal of the underground network is to fight against prisons and help inmates struggle against the penal and judicial system.

The Organization
A small, loosely-knit group of anarchists and violent radicals.


No Police State
Fringe group of anarchists, suspected of planning to spark violence.

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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 05:46 PM
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19. Have you seen the so-called anarchists in action?
They will try to pull all of the focus onto themselves, their voilent destruction of property, and wreak havoc wherever possible. Half of them are dilletents and the rest are on Rove's payroll, whether they know it or not.

The NYPD is right to be prepared for these losers.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 06:34 PM
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21. are you being paid to post this crap?


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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 07:12 PM
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22. Absolutely not. You know, normally I respect your posts.
Edited on Thu Aug-26-04 07:13 PM by mgdecombe
I have to say that you've gone off the deep end on your speculations as to my motives.

I am not related to a cop, nor am I a "good German".

Having been to many, many peaceful protests both in DC and SF, I have noticed a change in the last couple of years. Namely, a really angry, destructive faction of "anarchists" who detract from the real message, get all of the press coverage from a media delighted to ignore the issues, and, frankly, are probably on the Rove payroll.

Is there EVER a reason to attend a peace march wearing a black bandana over your face? Is there EVER a reason to threaten other marchers who take photos of you? Is there EVER a reason to destroy property, and have fun doing it?

Sorry, Pallas, I can't satisfy your desire to neutralize me by accusing me of being "paid to post this crap". I'm just a Democrat who wants her country back, and who is unwilling to tolerate dilletents and paid agents provocateurs who would destroy our chances.

I want everyone to be safe, sorry if it makes you so angry.

Edit: spelling
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 08:30 PM
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24. MGDEM - I also want everyone to be safe.. you must realize
Edited on Thu Aug-26-04 08:33 PM by Pallas180
or I am trying to make you realize, these are not the same times even
as Seattle.

By the way, there is a poster here who saw what happened in Seattle and actually saw behind a building the so-called "anarchists" being given money by a man in regular clothes....so those were not regular
citizen protesters.

But what is going on now is not normal police behavior....these are
much more dangerous times....and constitutional rights of citizens
have been short-circuited.

You don't seem to understand that...nor do most of these protesters.

So, I'm getting it from both sides. When I tell them to be careful and be peaceful - I'm trying to scare them.

When I tell them be prepared to protect yourself from assaults of
gas and batons, I get from people like you that I'm trying to incite.

Do me a favor. I was in a city where Martial Law was actually declared formally, although the rest of America didn't know it.

Go to Indy media...they have pictures of Miami and Savannah.

Today is not three or four years ago.

You can be standing there, quiet, doing nothing and be assaulted by
these forces, gassed, have rubber bullets shot at your back as you're walking away. What I saw in Savannah was cops and guard and contractors PUMPED UP and looking for trouble - looking to create trouble.

There's a funny old expression " Was you dere Chollie" - meaning I was there and I saw it; were you?

we live in dangerous times, and I think these protesters have a right to know it and what to expect. The best would be peaceful.
The worst will be what happened in Miami.

I have not changed from the other things I write with passion, nor honesty.


and PS - I also was at rallies in DC - when it was fun, when you were
welcomed, when you never even saw a cop......under this regime, those
days are gone forever.
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gardenista Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 09:18 PM
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25. You are right, times have changed
We agree on that.

Actually, the one time I was gassed, the cops were so stupid, they accidentally gassed themselves. And, it was totally unprovoked. Yes, I've seen cops go off for absolutetly no reason, and good people get hurt.

That will happen again in NYC, and my heart breaks over it.

You know, I got so much more out of your last post than the other ones. Thank you for taking the time to post it.

My hope is that the NYC police are well trained, and equipped to the degree that they feel comfortable and not threatened. I think this is half the game, really. If they know they can neutralize a situation, it will help keep things from getting out of control. You may not see my logic here, and I guess we all have to wait to see how things play out.

I also hope that, as in the past, there are protest organizers trained in nonviolent approaches to crowd control and who know how to manage things if they begin to get out of hand.

That won't stop the "anarchists" who are on the Rove payroll, and determined to break the windows of every Starbucks in sight. It's just a shame that things have escalated to this point.

However, I do think that NYC will be different from Miami and Savannah. This is not the south. And Jeb is not in charge, thank God. And New Yorkers will not tolerate the kind of shit that went down in Miami without making sure the world knows what really happened.

If you're there, be safe. But I wish the marbles would all stay at home.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 10:35 PM
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27. MGdecombe.. I won't be there - I
think my days of protesting and marches are over, although when
I saw what they were doing in Savannah, my friend held me back from
going up to the guys with the guns strapped on their legs, I was so angry at the gestapo tactics, and saying something to them.

a lot of what they are doing is purposeful intimidation...like the
national guard walking around and eyeing you up and down, while slapping their batons against their hand....

people dont realize it yet, but we've been G-8'd.

The cuts in health care, in jobs, lowering the standard of living,outsourcing jobs,creating competition for jobs so that people will work cheaper, putting a country deeply into debt, the raiding of
the treasury and returning it to the military and the corporations,
making a gestapo force because it is expected that the people of the country will protest -

We've been G-8'd.

And thanks...I'm glad you finally understand me. ditto (no pun intended) :)



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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-26-04 10:27 PM
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26. Shades of the future
Back in June we had a thread on Savannah with many pictures -barbed wire, surrounded kids, machine guns, national guard; can't find the thread, but here's some: notice that "cops" came from all over the world to view and *ushit intends to make a "peacekeeping force" permanent, of 50,000 strong - can you say "contractors"


G8 Summit Kicks Off; Unprecedented Police and Military Build-Up Stymies Democratic Dissent in Coastal Georgia and San Francisco

06/09/2004
As leaders of world's richest nations gather in opulent Sea Island, Ga., nearby Brunswick is under military occupation. The Governor has declared a state of emergency; thousands of police, federal law enforcement and national guard have swarmed the region, outnumbering activists by a factor of ten. Ongoing surveillance and harassment of anyone suspected to be a protester, a community organizer, or even a sympathetic resident has exacted a heavy toll. Despite these pressures, about 200 turned out for a United for Peace and Justice anti-war march yesterday morning; several hundred visitors attended the Fair World Fair and the "Other" Economic Summit; another 70 or so travelled to St. Simons (accompanied by armored vehicles) Island for a vigil. A march in Savannah--60 miles away from the Sea Island resort--had more military and police than it did protesters
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
Infowars.com
June 10, 2004

Police from across the US to Scotland have flown out to the G8 summit to watch the police in riot gear prepare body bags, intimidate protesters and drive military vehicles down the street.

Since the G8 has admitted that it is seeking to create a "World peacekeeping force," we know you all feel a lot safer knowing that no matter where you are the loving police in black ski masks will be out patrolling the streets keeping you safe from exercising your right to free speech...



Scots police travel to America to study G8 security
G8 Thug Force: The Global Model
Boston, N.Y. Police Take Notes on G-8



























Police officers in full riot gear hold their positions and stand at the ready as protesters against the Summit and war in Iraq move along Bull Street.. Richard Burkhart Savannah Morning News




G8 seeks to help create world force
The Group of Eight (G8) industrial nations intends to help create a global peacekeeping force of more than 50,000 people over the next five to six years, senior US officials have said. (otherwise known
as contractors)

-snip-

The Bush administration would seek $US660 million from Congress to spend over the next five years for training and equipment, the US officials said.






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28. *
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