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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 07:46 PM
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I just got back from a university debate on gay marriage. Ask me anything!
Quickly, while it's fresh in my mind!
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 07:49 PM
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1. Got any drugs?
I mean on ya.
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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 07:50 PM
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2. Um, only the prescription kind
And I don't think you want immunosuppresants.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 07:51 PM
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3. well do you thjink my wife and i should be able to get married?
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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 07:53 PM
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5. But of course (n/t)
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Archae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 07:51 PM
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4. How badly....
Was the anti-gay marriage guys stomped on?
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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 07:54 PM
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7. It was painful
There was one. He was a moron. I almost felt bad tearing his pitiful arguments to pieces. Then I realized he wanted to take away the rights of Americans. I felt bad no longer.

He was a Republican business major. What a surprise!

If you guys want, I can summarize the arguments made, and our counters to his silly, silly assertions.
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 08:05 PM
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9. Sure, tell us.
Hope you had fun.
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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 08:24 PM
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10. His argument was sad
He said that gays have the right to marry, just like everyone else - everyone is allowed to marry a member of the opposite sex.

This argument was shot down - quote from Warren's decision in Loving v. Virginia.

Most of the remaining time was spent arguing that homosexuals shouldn't adopt children, because the children raised in homosexual families are apparently more likely to not do well in school.

The quality of this research was attacked (especially by the professor from the Child Development department here on campus). Not only this, but I made the argument that kids waiting for adoption are far worse off than a child in any stable family environment, homosexual or heterosexual.

He tried to say that it was going to cause a moral decline of society, but claimed he was agnostic. He admitted this was a slippery slope argument.

I pointed out that this was a logical fallacy - an attempted proof by induction without meeting the qualifications of one. He said "Oh, it's a weak argument, but I don't think it's a logical fallacy." -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope

He also made some funny claims - claimed that I needed to read a statistics book, whereupon I gave him an education about correlation, causality, and lurking variables.

Also, just for good measure, had a quote from the VA Atty. General in the Loving v. Virginia case in 1967, claiming that declaring the ban on interracial marriage unconstitutional would lead to polygamous marriage and incestuous marriage, and then asked him where these things were happening.

I think that covered most of the bases. If you want to know if he rattled off any of the talking points, ask - I may not remember offhand, but if someone says something similar to what he said, I'll remember.
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Bill of Rights Donating Member (424 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 07:53 PM
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6. Civil Unions
Are civil unions a fall back position? If we can't have full marriage, is it good enough to have civil unions? Also, if the amendment goes to a vote in the Senate, do we have enough votes to defeat it?
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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 07:55 PM
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8. Yes
Yes, civil unions are an adequate fall back position, but there are not "good enough." If the Amendment goes to the Senate, it will be defeated.
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