where do graduates of Liberty, Bob Jones, Regent and other fundy colleges

[pstokely]

find jobs? who hires them?

have you ever seent the rules at "Liberty"?
http://www.liberty.edu/StudentAffairs/index.cfm?PID=141...
how do they enforce these off-campus?

remember the guy who was kicked out of Pat Robertsons Law School?
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff31105.htm

here's some more about Regent on ripoffreport.com

http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff83007.htm
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff83405.htm
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff83636.htm
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff83406.htm

[Beer Snob-50]

1. I believe they learn the following words to get ahead in the world...

"Would you like to supersize that sir?"...or

"Oh my, that is a big one sir. I hope I don't gag!"

[maveric]

26. Training camps for the amerikan taliban and hitler youth.

Hate and intolerance education centers.

[noonwitch]

2. There are lots of christian businesses, schools, and ministries

I'd guess that Liberty and Regent grads have better success than Bob Jones' grads, as the latter is not accredited. One could work for the government, too, if the school is accredited.
There are christian counseling agencies, book and gift shops, schools, etc. Plus there are public and private sector jobs that are open to anyone with the proper degree and qualifications.

[SaveElmer]

3. Here's one

This guy was the President at a small company I worked for. A complete dick...full of himself...and a joke of a manager...I'm not sure how this company has managed to stay in business.

http://www.infodata.com/company_management.html#edwin

[elfwitch]

4. Dress Code for Women

Ones that just crack me up!

Hair and clothing styles related to counterculture (as determined by the Deans' Review Committee) are not acceptable.

Body piercing is not permitted. Earrings and plugs are permitted in ears only.

Class Dress
Attire: Dresses, skirts, dress pants, shirts and/or sweaters (no jeans of any color, no overalls, no Capri/cropped pants, no shorts, no sweatshirts, no writing or graphics on shirts except for discreet embroidered logos), dress or dressy casual shoes (no tennis, athletic, sport shoes or flip-flops of any style)

The best part is looking at the Women's Dress Code Photos link.
YIKES!!

[absyntheNsugar]

6. Boys and girls, can you say "TALIBAN"?

I knew you could!

[felonious thunk]

5. They can find jobs

They all do have some "real" training programs. You can get a BS in computer science there, and if you know C++ or something, then you'll get a job. I'd think they'd be most likely to benefit from an alumni network though.

[jdsmith]

7. In Greenville, SC

Lots of BJU grads get good jobs. The local tv station, for instance, has lots of them because Bob Jones has a pretty formidable Communications Department. And its music majors often go on to pretty good spots also.

Make no mistake: I'm not saying BJU is cool by me. In the thirty years I lived near them, I found their pod-people-ness spookier than words can say. But lack of accreditation matters only if employees care about accreditation, and for some jobs, that's a moot point.

[elfwitch]

8. Here's another link that cracked me up

Part of the Truth about Modesty
http://www.lastdaysministries.org/articles/uncoveringth...

Worldly dress is quite revealing. First and foremost it reveals a worldly heart It also reveals wrong priorities and areas that are not yielded to God. Being dressed in a worldly manner does not always mean that you are dressed immodestly. It may simply mean that your style is flashy or overdone-generally speaking, just "too much. " If your perfume arrives at church five minutes before you do, who are you trying to kid? Did you put it on for Jesus? If you are drawing attention to yourself, then you are drawing attention away from God and stealing His glory.

What now I gotta worry about spring fashions and JESUS liking my outfit? What is he Joan Rivers now?

[absyntheNsugar]

9. yes - if i didn't know better i would have thought that was betty bowers

Again, repeat after me class

TALIBAN!

[stopthegop]

10. looking at the people coming out of some 'better' public

schools and universities, people from BJU, Liberty et al. will be fine...
newsflash: people can think differently than you do and still be VERY intelligent, and VERY tough competition in the job market...

[LynneSin]

11. Please lets not confuse the Taliban with these schools

I am not defending Bob Jones, Liberty or the other ultra christian schools, but let's not get too idiotic about their policies to the point that we're comparing these rules to something the taliban would do.

First and formost, no one has EVER been forced to attend these colleges, which is very much unlike those women forced to live under the rule of the taliban for no other reason than they were born in Afghanistan during their reign.

Believe me, I actually look at Messiah College (another religious school like Liberty based in Mechnanicsburg Pennyslvania). I knew as soon as I heard the rules there that I would be considering someplace else. My mother, although slightly disappointed, was happy that I picked a Methodist based school instead (and a very progressive one instead - you only had to take 2 religion courses to graduate and you could substitute Philosphy for those classes if you want).

These are choices in America. Sure I had a good chuckle about their dress and conduct code but these students choose to attend these colleges (some not accredited like Bob Jones).

Ok, I'm off my soapbox!

[stopthegop]

12. thank you.. n/t

[absyntheNsugar]

13. I understand your point...and you make a good case

HOWEVER, I disagree. I went to their schools and their tactics, mind-control techniques and supression of free thought is the same spirit of the Taliban.

Not all Christians are this way, in fact MOST Christians are not this way. Fundamentalists are a minority in the Christian world, yet they are very vocal...

Basically, the Bobjones'ers, and fundies in general are much like the Taliban as they want to reduce all of their followers to unquestioning cattle who never mind the steel hammer headed right towards their cranium.

[stopthegop]

14. not gonna argue this with you..

but you're wrong...and blind
have a good evening

[absyntheNsugar]

15. Ok then...ummm....

how bout UConn?

[stopthegop]

16. good teams!...n/t

[Bertha Venation]

17. This is where WE work:

My jobs since college:

Orange County, CA, Probation Department -- mail room clerk
Insight for Living (a radio preaching organization) -- mail clerk
several temp jobs
Major League Softball -- running adult rec. softball leagues
Intuit Payroll Services Group -- office manager
Patton Boggs LLP -- legal secretary

Does this answer your question? Unless we enter church service or teaching, most of us graduates of Christian colleges work at the same jobs that every other poor slog works at.

pstokely, I am sick and tired of your posts bashing religious schools -- and now, we see, their graduates.

[absyntheNsugar]

18. I think there is a big difference between religious schools

And fundie schools.

SMU, Oberlin, Pepperdine, USC, Notre Dame - All of these are religous schools, yet no one could ever accuse them of being closed minded or not offering a true eductaion.

However schools like Liberty and Bob Jones are a whole different ball of wax. Did you know, for example, that until recently BJU banned interracial dating and forbid students who were married interracially from attending? Did you know Azuza Pacific had seperate streets for black and white students to walk to class on? Take a look at the reasoning for the dress code - doesn't that strike you as even a little bit scary?

No one here was bashing religious schools, just fudnamentalist ones.

[LynneSin]

19. I'm a graduate of a religious school that was NOT a fundie school

Believe me, there is a big difference between the two.

I graduated from Lebanon Valley College which is affiliated with the United Methodist Church. The only serious religious requirement was that you take 2 semesters religion before you graduated college; however, before I attended this policy was switched so that you could take philosophy courses INSTEAD of religion (I actually took 4 religion classes and a philosophy class).

We had some weird rules about being in the dorms of the opposite sex, but only before noon and after midnight on school nights. Those rules have since been banished at our school except I believe in one dorm of each sex (plus they have co-ed dorms now).

We were never required to attend church, believe me I was partying way too much on campus to get out of bed in time to attend.

I was also one of the co-founders of the Young Democrats on our campus, but believe me we were still out numbered by the repukes.

So yes, religious schools should NOT be confused with the Fundie schools. There are MAJOR differences between the 2.

[Bertha Venation]

22. then I should've made my reply clearer: I attended a fundy school. eom

[Bertha Venation]

20. I attended a fundamentalist school, Absynthe.

Los Angeles Baptist College had rules much like Bob Jones. Yes, I knew about BJU's rules because they were held up as paragon for us in chapel at LABC.

The dress code was the same too. NO, it is not scary: IT IS THEIR RULES. Students who are of age when they go there, note, sign pledges that state they are aware of the rules and will abide by them! Please tell me how that twists anyone's arm or forces "children" to march in lockstep?

Brainwashing? Yes. Do the people going into those schools have a choice? YES! I did.

And look at me now, then tell me that the world is a more fucked up place because of the time that I spent at LABC.

[absyntheNsugar]

21. Well for one...

"The dress code was the same too. NO, it is not scary: IT IS THEIR RULES. Students who are of age when they go there, note, sign pledges that state they are aware of the rules and will abide by them! Please tell me how that twists anyone's arm or forces "children" to march in lockstep?"

Many kids who attend these schools were brought up in fundy homes under fundy rules - they are never aware of the choices they have because they are brainwashed from DAY ONE. How do I know this? I went to their schools and knew their situations. (My parents weren't truly fundy so it didn't bother them much when I was expelled)

One girl I knew was told her parents wouldn't pay for school unless she atteneded Azuza Pacific or a like school with "character." She said no and said she'd pay for school herself. Then her parents upped the ante and said they wouldn't support her AT ALL. She says 'fine.' Then, obviously grasping at straws, tell her she is no longer part of the family unless she goes to a "Christian" school. She finally gives in, and get kicked out. What's her crime? Oh having a Bon Jovi tape on campus.

The fundamentalist structure is inhereintly a cult! Maybe your school was not this way, but there are many that are! If you don't beleive me check out the Walk Away forum (http://www.aimoo.com/forum/freeboard.cfm?id=319472 ) In particular check out the stories section - I swear they will make you cringe.

[Bertha Venation]

23. they won't make me cringe because I have lived them

I've been to Walk Away many times. It's a great forum for recovering fundies like me.

I appreciate your efforts to draw a line between the school I went to and these horrible fundy schools, but what I am telling you is that I attended one of these same horrible fundy schools.

Tell me what you think of the school I attended. Its name is changed, but not much else has: http://www.masters.edu

What I am also telling you is that not everyone who goes to these schools is damaged for life or marches in lockstep for life. These schools are not the blight on our society that pstokely -- and you? -- imagine them to be.

[absyntheNsugar]

24. We probably agree more than we think

However, I do see them as a danger as for every Bertha Venation that comes out of these schools, there are at least three Christian Reconstructionists coming out hell-bent to do damage against our Democracy.

Of course the REAL question comes down to what to do? Well, I'd love to see Operation Rescue deemed a terrorist organization so these schools lose all their funding....but with Dubya sitting on his throne I'm not sure that will happen....

[Wapsie B]

25. We have a PA

from Bob Jones who just moved into the area. Seeing that name on her resume made me look twice.

[bobbieinok]

27. they work for the govt with W

In earlier years

...for the CIA, for the state department, chaplains in the military, for hospitals (nurses, doctors, chaplains), teach school (private and public), golf pro at country club, various ministries, Focus on the Family, Gary Bauer's group, CNN, play main characters on some day-time soap operas, work for (usually) republican senators and congressional representatives, etc

some specific jobs I know some grads are doing