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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 09:32 AM
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Asscroft is now going after porn...
Edited on Wed Apr-07-04 09:35 AM by YellowRubberDuckie
This is not a sex thread. I guess this is more of a 1st amendment thread. Apparently our justice system is bored.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bal-te.obscenity06apr0...

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In a speech in 2002, Ashcroft made it clear that the Justice Department intends to try. He said pornography "invades our homes persistently though the mail, phone, VCR, cable TV and the Internet," and has "strewn its victims from coast to coast."

Given the millions of dollars Americans are spending each month on adult cable television, Internet sites and magazines and videos, many may see themselves not as victims but as consumers, with an expectation of rights, choices and privacy.

Ashcroft, a religious man who does not drink alcohol or caffeine, smoke, gamble or dance, and has fought unrelenting criticism that he has trod roughshod on civil liberties in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks, is taking on the porn industry at a time when many experts say Americans are wary about government intrusion into their lives.
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But that's not all...The Top Republican in congress wants to make a deal with democrats to prosecute people broadcasting "smut" as he put it.
http://channels.netscape.com/ns/news/story.jsp?id=20040...


Apparently they're going after the 1st amendment now. The 4th amendment is gone. Get ready for the rest of them to go slowly.

Duckie
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 09:34 AM
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1. I'm locking my door!
Seriously, he is a major, big-time nutcase.
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 09:35 AM
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2. Ya know...I think someone should prosecute Ashcroft for perjury.
He LIED in his Senate confirmation hearings when he said he would not allow his personal beliefs to impact his application of the law. It is quite certain that statement was a lie. To Congress. Under oath.
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TXlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 09:39 AM
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8. Preach on, brother!
In a perfect world, the entire BushCo Klan would be frogmarched out of the White House, tried, and imprisoned for life for treason.
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 09:40 AM
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9. Don't you think they've caused enough death
To be killed by a military firing squad if they are found guilty of treason?
Duckie
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Whitacre D_WI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 09:35 AM
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3. He can have my porn...
...when he pulls it out of my warm, sticky, dead hand.
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 09:36 AM
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5. wow..you really like your porn!!
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Duckiesplaything Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 12:37 PM
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27. Oooppps.......
Edited on Wed Apr-07-04 12:49 PM by Duckiesplaything
Sorry jumped the gun.....
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Whitacre D_WI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 12:48 PM
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28. Erm.
I am not a "she."
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 09:36 AM
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6. LMAO
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apnu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 09:36 AM
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4. As a friend said to me last night...
..."I can't wait to vote against those bastards."
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 09:37 AM
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7. I can't stop looking at PORN! John, I need your help!

Thank god someone finally is willing to help me with this addiction!
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Screaming Lord Byron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 09:43 AM
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10. Everrywhere I look, I see porn! Everywhere!
Who will save my godless northern country from this licentious evil! Please invade Canada and save us from the suffocating mounds of pornography that are sprouting up on every street corner! Thank God you Americans have John Ashcroft and his holy crusade to wash the streets clean of scum and villainy! SCUM AND VILLAINY!
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fudge stripe cookays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 09:52 AM
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11. Better start getting those plain brown packages now....
before you can't anymore.

And find a good hiding place for them. Who knows when they may knock at your door with a seizure warrant.
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Commendatori Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 10:00 AM
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12. It's envy, pure and simple
This reminds me of my Air Force days. It was only those with crappy (or non-existent) hairlines who ran around looking for lower-ranking people whose hair was a bit out of regs just to be able to yell "get a haircut!"

Now, you've got Asscroft pissed off about porn? Well, sure, if his equipment doesn't work, then why should anyone else get pleasure from anything other than, say, surveillance cameras that only he and his circle jerkers have access to?

Less than a gestation period until the voting booths are open. The minutes will seem like hours.
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bif Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 10:02 AM
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13. Go after THIS, John!
n/t
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 10:03 AM
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14. I hate porn
BUT THIS IS BS!

I am one of those square neurotic people that finds porn creepy.

But as long as it isn't involving people under 18 it's not illegal and I would never intrude on somebody else's right to look at it.

Now that I am thinking about this...what is Asscroft's definition of "porn" anyway --
I was speaking of hardcore porn above, but what's he referring to?

Lame stuff like Playboy?
Salty language?
Cable shows like the Sopranos and Six Feet under?
(All of the above in MY opinion are certainly not porn)

Doesn't that twisted deranged MF have anything better to do with his time?

Why is it that I (as a person who doesn't like hardcore porn)
don't have objections to it's existence on the market?
While Asscroft and all his GOP religious minions have their shorts all in a knot over it 24/7?

Could it be that THEY are all consumed by it and can't control themselves?

If you ask me that would certainly appear to be the case!




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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 10:15 AM
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15. Playboy is not PORN!
Porn is graphically sexual content. Playboy is ART...pictures of naked chicks. And the naked chicks aren't even touching each other.
This drives me crazy. Again, I'll reiterate:
Playboy: NOT PORN-->ART

Duckie
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 10:32 AM
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16. Did you READ my post?
I said Playboy isn't porn - that was the main point to what I am saying...what does Asscrack consider to be porn?

I don't consider Playboy or nude people to be pornographic,
but you can bet your ass that HE does.
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 10:33 AM
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17. I was agreeing with you...
And then adding to it...sorry I wasn't clear.
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 10:39 AM
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19. OOOPS! Sorry!
I am kind of pissy this morning and my reading comprehension is lacking!

If bush gets in for another 4 years... I swear will be living in a bunker with excessive ammo like all those Whacky Clinton haters.

This admin is GETTING to me! Arrrrgghhh!
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 11:45 AM
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23. Yeah, and they have good articles.
Really.
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amazona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 12:07 PM
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26. playboy is in no way art
See the other thread. Art must be creative, and it must aspire to do something besides get a vanilla white male stiff. Stimulating the, um, senses can be a part of art, but if that's all it is, then it's porn. I don't have a problem with porn, and it certainly shouldn't be banned, but to try to claim that Playboy is art isn't going to work. Art is not afraid of a variety of human bodies, it is not afraid to horrify as well as to arouse, it is not afraid to arouse the brain. Frankly, an issue of Over Fifty (because it steps outside the tiny little boundaries of what an attractive female form "should" look like) has more art in it than Playboy, and I sure wouldn't call Over Fifty art.

We need to be able to defend porn on its own merits, if we can't, trying to call it art is not going to work either. Either we are entitled to enjoy naked bodies in motion or we're not.

Just my opinion, worth what ya paid! :-) But I would hate to think of a world so sterile that the only porn allowed to me is the tedious stuff of Playboy and Maxim -- "it's art if it doesn't show pink or a man" -- don't think so.
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Cursive_Knives512 Donating Member (423 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 02:47 PM
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30. I agree.
N/t.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 10:38 AM
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18. Was it Frontline?
Edited on Wed Apr-07-04 10:39 AM by redqueen
I wish oh I WISH I could remember ... I think it was Frontline... I know it was on PBS... anyway this program claimed that the focus of the JD before 9/11 was going to be... you guessed it - PORN! Not terrorists, not corporate crime... nope... PORN.

They were building cases and threatening producers. Getting all set to declare a war on porn. Then 9/11 happened and they had to stop wasting time on porn and go after terrorists. I guess now they feel the threat from terrorists is gone, so they can recommence with their porn-hunting crusade. :eyes:

Damn now I have to go dig that up. I really would like to inform the Kerry campaign about the bush JD team's priorities both BEFORE 9/11 and NOW.
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 10:45 AM
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21. Here's what I don't get...Repukes/constant viagra but no porn
What IS IT with these people?

Everytime I watch TV I am besieged with middle aged men leaping around extoling the virtues of penis enhancement/erection products while at the same time there is all this "decency crap" being spewed by the same group of morons.

Then yesterday I am reading that pharmacists are refusing to sell birth control to patrons WTF?????

WHAT PLANET AM I LIVING ON????
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truthspeaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 10:40 AM
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20. now that master criminal Tommy Chong is safely locked away
Asscroft can concentrate on lesser matters like porn.

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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 11:43 AM
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22. Great, we are turning into...
...freakin' Saudi Arabia. What's next, mandatory prayers five times a day? A religious police? Jeez....
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 12:06 PM
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25. The American Inquisition.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 01:13 PM
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29. Nobody expects the American Inquisition. (nt)
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cheezus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 11:59 AM
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24. Good, he could use some
the stick up his butt has a stick up it's butt
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 02:51 PM
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31. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
THIS IS NOT HAPPENING!

:scared:

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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 02:53 PM
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32. It's not like they have anything like TERORISM to focus on
Puritanical Fucks.
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Triple H Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-07-04 02:57 PM
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33. What a bitch...
I hate Ashcroft. "Ashcroft, a religious man who does not drink alcohol or caffeine, smoke, gamble or dance" What a bunch of crock! I bet he smokes weed everyday while dancing to "I Will Survive" in his platform shoes!

Seriously, though, this dumbass is running the country on his faith and religion...something that is entirely against the Constitution. This man needs to be stopped.

Hopefully there'll be someone new as AG in November (John Edwards?!)...
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