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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 10:14 AM
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Poll question: What religion do you associate yourself with?
Some specific groups have been clumped together

Sorry, polls are turned off at Level 3.

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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 10:15 AM
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1. the religion where you don't end a question with a preposition
Edited on Fri Dec-02-11 10:16 AM by Tuesday Afternoon
;)
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 10:19 AM
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2. Ah, you're a Grammarpolician!
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 02:30 PM
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38. *Wikis 'preposition'*
"Prepositions (or more generally, adpositions, see below) are a grammatically distinct class of words whose most central members characteristically express spatial relations (such as the English words in, under, toward) or serve to mark various syntactic functions and semantic roles (such as the English words of, for).<1> In that the primary function is relational, a preposition typically combines with another constituent (called its complement) to form..." :boring:




Sorry, I tried.
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GoneOffShore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 10:20 AM
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3. Atheism is not a religion - it's a lack of religious belief.
Edited on Fri Dec-02-11 10:20 AM by GoneOffShore
Hence a vote for none.
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 10:23 AM
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4. Yeah, but I had to put it in or I would get bitched at for leaving it out.
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 10:28 AM
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5. I can't tell you how many times I heard that line.
Wait, what?

:hide:
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 10:34 AM
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6. "A naked blonde walks into a bar with a poodle under one arm and a 4' salami under the other.
The bartender says, "So, I guess you won't be needing a drink".

The naked blonde replies - "AAAAAAAAAARRRRGGGG!!!!"

I've never heard the end of that joke, if it exists that is. I've figured out damn near all of the references in "The Breakfast Club", but not that one.


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dr.strangelove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 11:21 AM
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12. no ending
A naked blonde walks into a bar with a poodle under one arm and a two-foot salami under the other. She lays the poodle on the table. Bartender says,"I suppose you won't be needing a drink." Naked lady says..."

Fall through the ceiling yelling "Oh shit."
Then says "Forgot my pencil."

It was just an ad lib, there is no punch line. Thats what make sit funny.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 10:35 AM
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7. You should take out atheist and agnostic and just put in non-religious.
Since the meanings somewhat interchangeable.
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 10:41 AM
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8. Okay - totally new debate - They are NOT interchangeable.
Agnostic is the view that god(s) may or may not exist and it really doesn't matter either way. (I don't give a shit)
Atheist is the view that they do not exist and humans would have no way to verify their existence anyway. (I shit on it)

It may seem like a subtle difference, but it isn't.

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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 10:46 AM
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9. A-Theist = WITHOUT belief
A-Gnostic = without knowledge.

I am an agnostic atheist.

Totally overlapping.
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 10:54 AM
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10. I sort of fit in the same category. But the contemporary views aren't quite the same.
Most agnostics simply acknowledge that there is no way to determine existence or not of a higher power so there's no validity in worshiping an imaginary being anymore than there is waiting for Santa - and in many ways the spirit of Santa is more real.

Most atheists, while without "belief", are quite verbal in their denial of any higher power because it can NOT exist. I've always viewed that as a belief of sorts, but it isn't a belief in a higher being, but rather the lack of the possibility of one.

As I get older, I'm moving more toward the absolute atheist - I can't know and don't give a shit anyway.

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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 11:35 AM
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14. Most atheists are NOT quite verbal in saying "it can NOT exist".
In fact, I've only met ONE atheist IRL who EVER stated that,
and I know a LOT of atheists.

You are defining what some like to call a "Strong Atheist".

There are VERY FEW of them.

Even Richard Dawkins, a "strong atheist" if there ever was one,
states that the PROBABILITY of their being a "god" (undefinable
it itself) is so LOW AS TO BE IMPOSSIBLE, and, like fairies in
the garden, dismissable.

If "god" stood in front of Dawkins, Dawkins would not deny
that he existed.

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dr.strangelove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 11:19 AM
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11. The debate on this is interesting
I think your definitions are some of the better ones that I have seen, but doesn't the conclusion that humans would have no way to verify the existence of a deity itself establish that atheism is limited to human capabilities and therefor must accept the possibility that the existence of deities is possible but non-detectable by humans.

I believe the terms are truly interchangeable, but some like the idea that not believing has two levels and they can be in either group.
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astral Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 01:35 AM
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22. +1
I see it that ATHEIST is a religion = the BELIEF, and firm belief, that there is no God.
Agnostic would be a non-religion = not decided, on the fence, don't know what to think, may decide later if they feel like it.

If you left these out of the poll you would not be allowd to play here, and what fun would that be?
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 10:19 AM
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29. If you are "not decided, on the fence, don't know what to think, may decide later"...
Then you have NO theistic BELIEFS.

You are defacto, A-Theist.

As am I.
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 10:43 AM
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32. without belief is not the same thing as a religion
even "belief" there is no god is NOT a religion
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 09:15 AM
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28. Guess you could've have put in "None".
Because when I'm asked "What religion are you, anyway?" I reply "None. I'm an Atheist, and Atheism isn't a religion...".
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 12:46 PM
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34. "none" nt
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 11:52 AM
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15. this
a = without
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rrneck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 11:32 AM
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13. None. I make my own
Edited on Fri Dec-02-11 11:34 AM by rrneck
fresh every day. And I kill God every night when I go to sleep.

I don't think all Baptists are crazy wingnuts, perhaps fundamentalisit Christian.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 12:17 PM
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16. Are you the athiest atheist ever?
If you're going to be one, try spelling it right.

:hi:

Bake
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Ohio Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 12:39 PM
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17. Atheist - nt
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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 12:58 PM
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18. None.
I am an agnostic, therefore I have no religion.
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dawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 01:32 PM
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19. I think I qualify for more than one.
Protestant. Yes, definitely.

Baptist (weird, etc.) - Well, I'm a member of a Southern Baptist Church. Is that weird enough?

Other Christian groups - Probably.

Asian religion? - Well, my religion did originate in Asia.

Catholic? - large C no; small c yes

Islam? - Well, it literally means "I submit". I do seek to submit to the will of God. (Though I often fail.)
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NightWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 01:35 PM
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20. Pastafarian
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Quartermass Donating Member (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-02-11 02:30 PM
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21. A conservative and a liberal
were walking in the woods one day when they came across a pair of tracks.

The conservative said "Look, bear tracks".

The liberal said "No! Those are bear tracks!"

So they got to arguing and two hours later they got run over by a train.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 02:27 AM
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23. I'm an Omnitheist because I want to claim all of those vacation days.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 10:26 AM
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31. I like where this is going.... nt
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ellisonz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 03:14 AM
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24. Umm..."other religions" - i.e. Jewish
:nopity: for the Jews.
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mahina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 05:37 AM
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25. Can I be Catholic, but still think the religion has it all wrong?
I yam what I yam, like Popeye said!

I believe in the great it all, divine love and intelligence. Came to me in the body of a priest in a church, but I know that is just the wrapper.

I don't need anybody else to agree with me, and I don't need to change anybody's mind.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 10:25 AM
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30. It is my understanding that there are atheist Jews, so why not Catholic atheists as well? nt
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mahina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 05:55 PM
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40. I'm a reformed Catholic ;)
Any channel to the great It All will do, as long as it is filled w love. Not that kind of love, Father Patrick!
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nomorenomore08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 11:25 PM
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46. As a baptized, non-practicing Catholic I somewhat agree.
Just as a person can consider themselves culturally (and/or ethnically) Jewish even if they choose to have nothing to do with the actual religion, I think an analogy can be drawn with many people from a Catholic background.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 07:01 AM
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26. God doesn't give a damn what you "believe". He just cares how you treat other people.
What does that make me?
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 01:56 PM
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48. Really?
If there is a sentient being pulling the strings, then why would it treat most of the world's population like crap? Why doesn't it care how it treats people?

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? ~Epicurus
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 08:56 AM
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27. God was my co-pilot, but we crashed in the mountains and I had to eat him.
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astral Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 12:33 PM
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33. What if I believe in a God as I don't understand Him?
No, I don't if he's a Him, either. It was just my first concept of God was as a "He," and I am unable to think of "Him" as a "She." But if asked if I am religious, by the connotations of the word, I would have to say, no. Do I pray? Yes. Not enough, though.

My opinion of other people is that if they express a belief strongly enough to call it a religion, they are religious, in my mind. If an atheist expresses a positive belief that there is no God, then he is religious, and atheism is his religion, in my mind.

An agnostic by its definition is 'undecided,' so I would say an agnostic is *not* religious, just open-minded.

So, I know nobody here thinks I am right but it is still my opnion. And what is a religion, other than an opinions?

Am I religious?

Not at all.

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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 12:47 PM
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35. Other: none nt
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 12:56 PM
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36. I don't think atheism as a religion, but I chose it anyway
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OriginalGeek Donating Member (589 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 01:09 PM
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37. EVERYone is agnostic
I see it this way: Agnostic and atheist are the answers to 2 completely different questions.
Do you know there is a god? No, I'm agnostic. Yes, I am gnostic (though i'd like to see the proof that lets you know. Also not to be confused with the christian sect of Gnostics which is different).
Do you BELIEVE there is a god? No, I am an atheist. Yes, I am a theist (be it deist, monotheist, polytheist or whatever. You believe there is a supernatural being that governs the universe or at least created it).


I don't know if there is a god. I see nothing in the universe around me to make me think there might be. I do not believe there is a god. I also don't think anyone else can know for sure there is a god as there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that there might be.

I think everyone is born agnostic and atheist.

I was raised in an independent, fundamentalist Baptist church and graduated from a Christian high school run by them. Yes, they are weird.
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PassingFair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 03:00 PM
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39. Yes. These are the correct word interpretations.
Top Marks!

:applause:
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KT2000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 06:56 PM
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41. Possibilian
tip of the hat to David Eagleman who said "I am just celebrating the vastness of our ignorance."
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YankeyMCC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 07:16 PM
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42. Zen Buddhist /Humanist
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 07:32 PM
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43. Unitarian Universalist pagan nt
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stuntcat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 08:30 PM
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44. "militant atheist" tehehe
Edited on Sat Dec-03-11 08:34 PM by stuntcat
In quotes because I AM NO FIGHTER, I'm just sick to Death of religious people fighting, and raping the Earth. Some of us Atheists need to really stand up for Peace and Reason.

Actually I'm Agnostic. But religious people have made me into a mean Atheist.
My life's only half over :sigh: .I'm pretty sure I'll die knowing religion has only helped to destroy our species' future.

:party: :7

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Rhythm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-03-11 09:38 PM
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45. Militant Agnostic = "I don't 'know'... AND YOU DON'T EITHER!!!"
I grew up Baptist, but since reaching an age of reasoned thought, i have found that all paths of belief contain a few morsels of absolute truth (usually related to how we should behave toward our fellow inhabitants of this little orb in space), surrounded by a lot of dogmatic bullshit and fairy tale.

My moral compass points quite nicely to the side of compassion and goodwill, but without being forced there by the looming threat of eternal damnation and torture by some unknowable deific being.
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mvd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 01:00 PM
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47. I picked Catholic, but really I'm "liberal Christian"
Edited on Fri Dec-09-11 01:00 PM by mvd
I don't think the scriptures should all be taken literally, think there should be an openness to other opinions, and I don't let it come into my life a lot. I also don't like Christian pop. I prefer gospel, and at Christmas time, I enjoy Christmas music. I love some music done BY Christians, like Eisley, but their music is more pop/rock with the occasional hint of their religion.
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 02:25 PM
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49. other - antitheist
Religious belief of all sorts is a cancer on rational society.

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OhioBlue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 10:12 PM
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50. I will say Agnostic..
I believe there is a higher being or beings and an afterlife. I think all religions have benefical aspects but most major religious traditions have been corrupted by humans and are used for selfish purposes at times. That being said, I do see a benefit to one's life through a faith. I don't think any one religion has it right nor do I think any has it wrong.. I just think many religions are used in ways that are not for enhancing one's faith nor one's contribution to society.
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-09-11 11:42 PM
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51. I believe in Vectron and His Kindly Claw. n/t
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