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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 09:54 AM
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For the life of all that is worth living I will NEVER EVER get another flu shot - NEVER
In the past 15 years I've gotten 3 flu shots. Every single time I was sick for a week afterwards. Mind you the first 2 times was over 10 years ago so for over a decade never had a flu shot and only got the flu once (and for the record - survived it).

So at work the other day I was convinced to get a flu shot, how my life would be so much healthier getting one.

Sure enough 2 days later I was beyond sick - wiped out for a week, missed 2 days of work and spending thanksgiving with my family (since they shunned me). The person that convinced me that Flu shots were much more advanced and I wouldn't get sick is full of it.

No more flu shots. I'd rather just take my chances with the flu, which I only seem to get once every 10 years.
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 09:58 AM
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1. sick a week could be better than death
I don't get them either but you know, flu - the real thing - lasts longer than a week and it does kill a lot of people.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 10:00 AM
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3. There are alot of things that could kill me but as long as I have some sort of health care plan
Edited on Mon Nov-28-11 10:03 AM by LynneSin
I'll take my chances.

I'm smart enough to get to a doctor or even hospital if it gets that bad.

And I do understand that I'm lucky to even have a health care plan but I missed alot in that week and well, don't want to go thru that again.
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Incitatus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 08:14 PM
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21. It can kill the elderly and people with underlying medical conditions.
The flu killing a healthy person is extremely rare. And yes, the flu shot can make you sick.
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Hassin Bin Sober Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 12:34 AM
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32. I had a healthy 45 y/o friend spend a week or two on a ventilator.
We were looking at booking airline tickets to a funeral.

Yes, he didn't die - but he was pretty f-ckin' sick.
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 09:59 AM
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2. The one time I got a flu shot, I got sicker than I've ever been in my life.
I was told there was no way it was the flu shot. But I've always been really scared to get another one. This waas about ten years ago. I was thinking about finally getting one this year, but now that I read your post :scared:
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 10:02 AM
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4. The nurse who gave it to me insisted whatever made me sick was already brewing
Maybe one time I'd by into that or even twice.

But 3 flu shots in the last 15 years and each resulted in me losing a week of my life only a few short days later.

Coincidence only goes so far.

And I can assure you I had no symptons of sickness when I got the shot.
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 02:39 AM
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35. "Coincidence only goes so far."
Then you don't understand coincidence.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 01:36 PM
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61. Injecting you with DEAD virus won't cause a disease anymore than injecting you with sterile saline
will. Since what you were injected with is incapable of getting you sick, you were exposed elsewhere.

Coincidence only goes so far, but the placebo effect can take you further.
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Humansletstalkok Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 11:48 AM
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91. Simply not true
The purpose of a flu shot is to provoke an immune response -- as you say against a dead virus, or pieces of it.

Most of what makes us feel sick when we get the flu, is actually our immune response fighting the flu--fever, congestion, etc. -- that's all us doing that to ourselves.

So when you get a flu shot or any other shot, you are likely to feel the symptoms of being sick, even though there is no virus to actually make you sick.

It's very common for vaccinations to make us feel sick, even though we aren't actually infected.

So, no, it's not the same as being injected with saline.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 02:42 PM
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96. Simply is true. Dead virus can not give you an active infection.
As far as giving you the flu, yes. Injecting you with DEAD virus IS exactly the same as injecting you with saline. Neither will give you influenza.
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 11:29 AM
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7. Same here.
Ten years or so ago I got the shot, and got sicker than I thought possible for around three days. I haven't gone for another flu shot since. I'll take my chances (as I knock on wood).
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Phentex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 10:07 AM
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5. I have had the flu only once in my life...
and yes I wished for death at the time. But I rarely get sick and I just don't feel like I want the vaccine. It may not do me any harm but I have managed this far without it.

For the record, I do not think it's a coincidence with you. I have heard many people say this. Skip it next year!
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rurallib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 11:27 AM
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6. I agree 100%
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Betty88 Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 11:36 AM
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8. The flu shot kicked my ass too
It's been over a week now and I am just beginning to feel better
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MiddleFingerMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 11:40 AM
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9. About 40 YEARS ago, I got a flu shot and that night ran an EXTREMELY high temp -- felt L-O-U-S-Y!!!!
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I've turned them down ever since, even though I've been reassured
several times that it just COULDN'T have been the shot.
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Fool me once...
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 11:53 AM
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10. I have not gotten a flu shot since as far back as I can remember.
And I've never had the flu either.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 09:19 PM
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22. Me too, I've had a flu shot for the past 20 years at least. Never once made me sick.
I'm sorry some people have had problems.
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 11:59 AM
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11. I've never gotten a shot, nor the flu, but my mom got one recently and also felt sick.
Hers lasted a few days.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 12:25 PM
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12. How many people do you think you will get sick
from the flu you will get? Flu shots aren't just for the individuals, they are for herd immunity. My sister cannot get a shot because of Lupus and she could get FATALLY sick if someone exposes her to the flu. This bullshit about "I don't need a flu shot" is complete crap. Its selfish and ignorant. I've got a blood disease and I ALWAYS get a vaccine. And I've never even gotten even a sniffle from mine. Justify all you want, but it really is self centered to say "I don't need a shot". But what do I know? I work for a vaccine manufacturer and worked on vaccines for NIH, clearly I'm out to poison people. Seriously, you can be sick and infectious and not even know it. :banghead:
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 12:44 PM
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14. I'm one of the lucky ones that had the sick time so I could stay home from work
And just with my healthcare as long as these options are available I will skip getting flu shots for now.

But I will admit it's just luck of the job that I have. Even if I'm feeling just a lil bit sick but can sit upright - I can work from home for the day. So the number of people who were exposed to my sickness include the doctors office and when I picked up my prescriptions from the drive-thru at Walgreens.
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FloridaJudy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 11:51 PM
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30. The few times I *didn't* get a flu shot
Because I was living overseas, I got the flu. We're talking major illness - high fever, severe difficulty breathing, exhaustion so bad that making it to the bathroom was like summitting Everest. Each time it took me over a month to make a full recovery.

The few days I feel mildly crummy after my flu shot every year are worth it. I also know I won't be passing something possibly lethal along to my fellow human beings - the most contagious period is just before you start feeling like three-day-old shit and coughing your lungs out.

So go ahead and skip the shot. Odds are, you won't be among the thousands who die every year in this country from influenza. But once you find out what the real flu feels like, you'll be rolling up your sleeve at Walgreens or the doctor's office every year, just like everyone else with a lick of sense.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 04:04 AM
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36. Same here.
I have elderly parents and other relatives who have compromised immune systems. I get the flu shot to keep from dragging something home to them. I could take getting the flu. They could not. I get the shot more for them than for myself.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 07:31 AM
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43. My wife used to get a flu shot every year.
and every year she would come down with the flu.
I never got one and never got the flu-even from her.
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MiddleFingerMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 02:07 AM
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34. Hint for future reference:
Edited on Tue Nov-29-11 02:46 AM by MiddleFingerMom
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You don't convince many people by "educating" them abusively.
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Just sayin'... in case you're actually seriously trying to, ahem... "educate" here.
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But "bullshit", "complete crap", "selfish", "ignorant" and in a rant
that's only 5 lines long is not going to do your sister one IOTA of good.
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But perhaps YOU feel better about it now.
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(on edit) edited because I listed "complete crap" twice. According to Mel Brooks, I really LIKE "complete crap".
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 06:56 AM
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40. Deleted sub-thread
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FloridaJudy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 10:27 PM
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78. And you don't convince many
By passing on unscientific hogwash separated by a line of dots.

I spent a week in the polio ward as a child. It was a bad diagnosis, but it scared the living shit out of me and my family. Remember polio? I'll bet most people here don't, and there's a very good reason for that: it's called vaccination, and as far as I'm concerned it's among the best medical advances, ever. The amount of human suffering it's prevented is immeasurable. You also don't see a hell of a lot of lock jaw, diphtheria, or measles encephalitis, and I haven't seen a rubella baby in decades. Oh, I've seen epidemics of whooping cough in religious communities that got exceptions to the vaccination laws, and it wasn't pretty. No parent should ever have to watch a child go through that!

And despite what many here believe, vaccines aren't huge money makers. The costs to develop them are astronomical, and the liability is crippling. A lot of US companies have gone out of the vaccine business for exactly those reasons. A few years ago we public health providers ran out of flu vaccine because of that, with tragic results for many (http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/17/health/17flu2.html ).

No treatment or medication is completely safe: there are always going to be the rare individuals who get seriously bad reactions, but I stress rare. Vaccinations prevent far more illness than they cause. The problem is that we know who got the bad reactions: they're the ones weeping on the evening news, surrounded by a phalanx of lawyers. What we don't see are the hundreds or thousands more who would have gotten horribly ill without the shot, because they didn't fucking get sick!

Sorry if this rant defies your expectations by being more than five lines long, having an actual link to a news article, and containing only two obscenities,

And I do feel better now. You people drive me crazy.
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MiddleFingerMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 12:58 AM
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81. HAHAHAHAHA!!!! You seem to have extrapolated a LOT from what I clearly presented...
Edited on Wed Nov-30-11 01:33 AM by MiddleFingerMom
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...as nothing more than my OWN anecdotal history and motivation for my OWN
attitude and behavior.
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Which included a 105 degree fever with just a little bit of that pesky ol'
delirium thrown in. (Yes, I "failed" to mention details as "I felt lousy"
seemed sufficient to me -- still does really, but one of my personal
characteristics is that I'm often UNDER-dramatic AND I'm also going to
get proactive against the excuse many -- not necessarily any individual,
though -- use for their presumptive behavior).
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Not a word about "(grunt) Mongo say vaccinations BAD!!"
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Simply that I decided for myself, from my OWN personal evidence (flawed
though that may or may not be) that I AM one of those rare individuals
(who never, by the way "... {wept}... on the evening news, surrounded
by a phalanx of lawyers").
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I'm curious. Is that last bit an industry talking point? I seem to have
heard it (or something very like it) at least several times before. An
expression of hyperbole is not very convincing, either... whether one is
well-versed in scientific method or not.
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But... as with the other rant... it does make you FEEL better. And, I
think I can safely presume from the two rants... better THAN...
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At least you recognized and appreciated my "line of dots" writing style.
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Which style, BTW... is not based on the sound foundation of "scientific
method", either,
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FloridaJudy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 04:38 AM
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84. You have a choice
Of whose advice to take:

1) That of the medical team who just helped you survive a serious illness that likely would have killed you a generation ago.

~or~

2) That of the clerk at the health food store wearing lots of patchouli and crystals, who'd just love to sell you a few hundred bucks worth of Beta Quatra Herbal Immunology Supplement. Or just about anybody on this board who doesn't have an advanced degree in the biological sciences or medicine.

I'm a huge fan of crystals and patchouli myself. I like looking and smelling good, so I might ask the health food lady's advice before buying incense or a mood ring. But when it comes to my health, I'd prefer to listen to someone who's actually passed epidemiology, physiology and statistics, and who's intimately acquainted with my medical history. If your doctor reviewed your symptoms and said "Whoa! That sounds serious. You probably shouldn't get another flu shot", then I'd take that advice to heart, and spend the flu season washing my hands frequently, avoiding touching my face, getting lots of rest, and staying away from crowds.

But you implied that your doctor had encouraged you to get the flu vaccine. If I'm wrong about that, then excuse me. But if I'm not, you might want to check back with him or her, and really listen this time.

Your life might depend on it.
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FloridaJudy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 10:51 AM
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89. And for your information
Edited on Wed Nov-30-11 10:53 AM by FloridaJudy
I do happen to have an undergrad degree in biology, and a masters in nursing and public health. And I'm no Big Pharma shill. I'm quite likely to rip the drug companies a new one for unethical advertising and promoting expensive new drugs in cases where the good old cheap medications do just as well. The most I've ever taken from a drug rep were a few sandwiches, post-it notes, cheap pens and free samples I could pass on to patients who couldn't afford to buy them.

What I have done is spend over thirty years watching certain infectious diseases slowly disappear, and thank God! Some of that was due to improved treatment and infection control measures, but a lot of it was due to vaccines, which have never been a huge money maker for providers. We barely break even on the charges, when you factor in the time and equipment it takes to administer them.

We're also faced with an alarming number of emerging diseases for which there are little or no treatments. And it's not just a question of if but when the next killer epidemic hits in a world in which no place is more than three airplane flights away from any other. Unbelievable as it sounds, the world got lucky with AIDS, tragic as it is to those who caught it. It's just not that contagious: had the federal government not dragged its feet in promoting preventative measures like condoms and needle exchanges, we could have slowed that one down a long time ago. It's not like the great plagues of the past, when entire communities were wiped out over night.

The influenza epidemic of 1918 killed somewhere between 20 and 50 million people, many of them in the prime of life. And this was in a world where the population was much smaller, and transportation a lot slower. We still don't have a really effective treatment for the flu, even after almost a hundred years. The best we can do is slightly lessen its severity, and treat some of the bacterial infections that are likely to follow. There aren't enough hospital beds or respirators in the world to treat the victims of another epidemic like that. Our best hope is prevention, and that definitely will involve mass vaccinations.

We're overdue for it. I just hope I'll be safely dead when it hits, but I do have an adult son. I want him to survive and be healthy.
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MiddleFingerMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 11:24 AM
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90. THIS is something I can use... and respect. This whole subthread started out...
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... as nothing more than ego-driven abusive behavior, having very little
to do with actually informing of helping others.
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Thank you for this last post.
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You mentioned two choices above -- there are far more, including (maybe
most importantly, I've found through experience) taking responsibility
for your OWN health and treatment. I have disagreed with treatment
suggestions and virtually every time I have, the healthcare worker has
respected that and we've worked out alternatives (NOT as in crystals,
etc.).
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Every history-taker now asks if I've HAD a flu shot and I tell them about
my experience 40 years ago when I had my only one, spiked a very short
(overnight) fever of up to 105 degrees (with some delirium(?)). They ALL
simply say OK and write it off -- none of them has EVER encouraged me
to have one anyway.
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Part of taking responsibility for myself has been a HEALTHY level of
skepticism, along with respect, about and for the medical AND the
pharmaceutical professions.
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I remember unnecessary tonsillectomies (I had TWO -- I was so young the
first time that I grew back buds(?) and "had" to have it done AGAIN). And
I remember (though I never was affected by it) the blitz of unnecessary
eartube implantations -- so I've experienced, both first- and secondhand,
WIDESPREAD treatments for largely economic rather than health reasons.
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I get bad feelings about what I call the current "Shingles blitz") -- all the
advertising we're now deluged with and the fact that my doctors are now
ALL asking if I have a shingles vaccine(?) -- NONE of them asked me about
shingles (that I can remember) prior to the last few months.
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Nothing I can find in my layman's "research" suggests an upswing in the
incidence of shingles -- this smacks of a Big Pharma push -- maybe good,
but probably not deserving of the fear-level they seem to be trying to
instill in our culture. What's your take on that?
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And I'm not a really big Big Pharma anti-advocate -- I just realize that
there are sometimes less-than-ethical economically-based behaviors in
that business.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 02:32 PM
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MiddleFingerMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 03:26 PM
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102. I like you.
Edited on Wed Nov-30-11 03:28 PM by MiddleFingerMom
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b66MXfmJRX8 .
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Your pal, Typhoid MiddleFingerMary
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Kajsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 07:05 PM
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116. +1000
You go, FloridaJudy!

:applause:
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 04:07 AM
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37. +1000000
I do get some of the side effects from the shot and they last about 3 or 4 days, but the flu shot is one thing I budget for every year. It keeps my elderly relatives safe if I don't get the flu and infect them. You do it to protect everyone, not just yourself. I'll get my flu shot and suffer the side effects because I don't want to spread that type of potentially fatal (for some) illness around.
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handmade34 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 10:34 PM
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79. poor logic
many people do not get flu shots AND do not get the flu... some people get a flu shot and still get the flu... we all should make common sense decisions about our personal health and those around us...

I have never had the flu and have never had a flu shot and intend never to get one...
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 12:42 PM
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13. It's better than getting full-on flu
I still remember how sick I got when I got the flu in the 90's. Got sick over a long weekend, spent all that time in bed. Only got up to use the bathroom, drink OJ & dose up on NyQuil. And that damn near wore me out! Missed a week of work & even after that, it took over a month to feel well again. I now have no choice--I have to get the shot, but even if it knocks me flat for a week, like last year, that's still a major improvement. YMMV. Hope u feel better soon!
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 02:37 PM
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15. Never had a flu shot and never will.
i have only had the flu once in the past 12 years and it was a mild infection.
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LibDemAlways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 04:28 PM
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16. I'm with you. No thanks. n/t
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suninvited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 07:08 PM
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17. I promised myself I would get a flu shot this year
I ended up in the emergency room last year unable to breath I was so sick. I had no insurance and my bill was over four thousand dollars.

My grandson caught it from me, because he stays with me every day while my daughter works, and then because I couldn't watch him while I was sick my ex husbands wife watched him and she caught it from him.

Now I read how sick people get from the shot and I don't know what to do!!

I have only had the flu twice in my life, once twenty years ago and last year. I never want it again.

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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 09:27 PM
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23. Read what TZ said upthread
She's right. It's not just for yourself.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Get the shot, and soon.
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 09:42 PM
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24. I wouldn't let what people post in this thread decide it for you.
I know, it sounds weird coming from me, one of the people who posted that they got sick. But really, it's all anecdotal. I don't think you should rule it out. I wish they could give the vaccines much earlier in the year, when there were far fewer bugs brewing. It seems almost to be counterproductive to give vaccines when people are already starting to get sick, and then they think it was the vaccine that did it. It's really hard to overcome the feeling that there's a connection there. I'm finding it hard to shake it, myself.
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suninvited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 10:55 PM
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27. I wish some people that had the flu shot and didnt get sick would chime in
I need to get the shot now, but I cant afford to get sick right now!!

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Lisa D Donating Member (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 11:09 PM
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28. I've gotten the flu shot for the last three years
and have never gotten sick. Neither has my husband, daughter, sister, mother, stepfather, etc.. People who don't get sick rarely post/talk about it. Getting sick from the flu shot seems to be the exception rather than the norm.

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suninvited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 11:14 PM
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29. thank you
I think I will go ahead and get it. I know one thing for sure, no matter how sick it makes me (if I should be one of the ones that gets sick), it can't be WORSE than the flu I had last year.
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murielm99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 01:58 AM
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33. I have gotten the flu shot for about the last five years and
I have never gotten sick. Neither has my husband.
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Rob H. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 12:37 PM
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49. I've gotten a flu shot the last two years in a row
and was fine. I'll admit I did feel some trepidation about getting the shot the first time, but felt perfectly normal afterward. From what I understand they now use the killed virus to make the vaccine.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 02:10 PM
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69. I truly do believe I am the exception
It is feasible for people to react badly.

I had a miserable week last week, missed 3 days of work along with family time over Thanksgiving. It was not a good time for me to be sick.

But I would suspect most people don't react.

I'm guessing if you got a shot there is a good chance you'll be fine.
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 06:40 AM
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86. I didn't get sick this year
last year, though, wow. I'm wondering maybe if it's due to the different virus combination they use each year. There's a book out about the 1917 Flu Pandemic...can't recall the name, but it's fascinating & explains the various flu virus combos & why there's often a new strain going around.

dg
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 12:33 PM
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48. Flu vx has been out and given for the last 2 months. You want something not anecdotal? Ok, here
Influenza vaccine, the shot, has DEAD virus in it. The DEAD virus stimulate your immune system so if you get live virus in you, your body will react fast and kill it off.

DEAD viruses can not give you the disease. LIVE viruses can.

The shot is DEAD virus. The nasal spray is LIVE virus.

You cannot get influenza from DEAD viruses.

If you wait until November, influenza is probably already in your community and you may have already been exposed. If you've been exposed, and it is doing its business in you, but you haven't shown symptoms yet, and you get the vx, it is too late and yes. You will come down with the flu.

Next yr, get it in Sept.
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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 12:41 PM
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51. ^^^^^ Yes ^^^^^^
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 01:47 PM
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62. Yes. I get that.
I think you misunderstood my post.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 01:59 PM
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64. Ah, I did understand, reread it. Flu vx comes on often in Sept. People wait
even I do, and don't get it right away. It would be great if we'd get it earlier, before it starts coming around as it does make the "I got flu from (dead vaccine) flu shot" less likely.

In agreement with you. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 02:09 PM
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68. That's okay.
My thinking was, I wish there was a way they could release it even sooner than they do. I know there are reasons why they can't. I was just speculating, really. There could be fewer people getting sick after they get the shot, thus far fewer people thinking it was the shot that made them sick. That habit of confusing correlation/causation is a part of human nature is a tough thing. It's a survival instinct. I know intellectually that the shot can't hurt me, but my animal brain is still going, "No! Don't do it!"
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 06:37 AM
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85. Walgreens puts up their flu shot signs in August
I'm usually there the first week they offer it. This year, I didn't get sick after getting the shot. Last year, though, OMG, I felt like I'd been hit by a Mac Truck.

dg
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 09:42 PM
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25. dupe
Edited on Mon Nov-28-11 09:43 PM by Pithlet
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 10:52 PM
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26. Flu shot has never
made me sick.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 07:44 PM
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18. never had a flu shot. and never had the flu, that i know of. and if i had it and didnt know....
Edited on Mon Nov-28-11 07:45 PM by seabeyond
wasnt a big enough deal to be bothered with it.

(i hear we can get it lightly where we dont know we have it. hence, that statement)

no flu shots for me either.

without is working fine for me.
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 06:41 AM
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87. If you got the flu, trust me, you'd know it
:)

dg
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 07:45 PM
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19. never had one, never will.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-28-11 07:50 PM
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20. I think I had the flu really, really bad when I was 14. I don't think I've had it since.
Edited on Mon Nov-28-11 07:51 PM by valerief
I've had colds but not the flu. I think I had a flu shot several decades ago when I was 20ish. I haven't had a flu shot since and don't plan to. I'm afraid of getting the flu if I do. Besides, I don't trust the mass flu vaccines. It might be part of the Republican health plan--get sick and die quickly.
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Piltdown13 Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 12:21 AM
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31. I've gotten the flu shot every winter since 1993-4
...when my college track coach trooped us all down to the health center before practice one day. Never had a reaction to it either -- though it should be noted that, unlike basically everyone I know (anthropologist, so lots of international travelers), I also didn't get sick after receiving the yellow fever vaccine, so I may be a bit of an outlier.

I rarely get sick, but since I teach over 100 students, many in lab settings, every semester, I'd rather be safe than sorry. And I like to do my part to keep up herd immunity!
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AngryOldDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 04:40 AM
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38. I'll take my chances, too.
More often than not, I hear of people getting sick from them. I have no other pressing medical reason to get one, so no thanks.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 06:37 AM
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39. Blaming flu on flu shots is like blaming plague on "witches", Gypsies and Jewish people
it's based in ignorance.

and you cannot say that you are making your conclusion based on empirical evidence because while you look at your own 3 instances associated with the flu shot, you are ignoring the rest of the empirical evidence associated with flu shots (not to mention the science).

and is there any harm in an ignorant thread? well, perhaps some people will avoid the flu shot based on your thread. you know, that's one thing --but remember, if they do it based on your thread, they aren't just doing it because of what you wrote --they are doing it because what you've written is misinformation.

:shrug:
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 07:06 AM
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41. .
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/us_flu-related_dea...
36,000 people a year die from influenza. So yes, refusing to get a shot is selfish. The CDC always recommends that everyone who can get it, do get it. What the hell do epidemiologists know though?
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auntAgonist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 07:53 AM
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44. I have a compromised immune system. I WILL get my flu shot
and hope that those around me do the same.

It's never given me the flu OR made me feel any ill effects. The flu however, could be very serious for me.

aA
kesha

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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 07:28 AM
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42. Last time I actually caught the flu was 1968.
the two times since was right after the incubation period from the shot.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 08:16 AM
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45. You cannot get the flu from a flu shot
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/flushot.htm
Can the flu shot give me the flu?
No, a flu shot cannot cause flu illness. The viruses contained in flu shots are inactivated (killed), which means they cannot cause infection. Flu vaccine manufacturers kill the viruses used in the flu shot during the process of making vaccine, and batches of flu vaccine are tested to make sure they are safe. In randomized, blinded studies, where some people got flu shots and others got saltwater shots, the only differences in symptoms was increased soreness in the arm and redness at the injection site among people who got the flu shot. There were no differences in terms of body aches, fever, cough, runny nose or sore throat.


What about people who get a seasonal flu vaccine and still get sick with flu-like symptoms?
There are several reasons why someone might get flu-like symptoms even after they have been vaccinated against the flu.

People may be exposed to an influenza virus shortly before getting vaccinated or during the two-week period that it takes the body to gain protection after getting vaccinated. This exposure may result in a person becoming ill with flu before the vaccine begins to protect them.
People may become ill from other (non-flu) viruses that circulate during the flu season, which can also cause flu-like symptoms (such as rhinovirus).
A person may be exposed to an influenza virus that is not included in the seasonal flu vaccine. There are many different influenza viruses that circulate every year. The flu shot protects against the 3 viruses that research suggests will be most common. Unfortunately, some people can remain unprotected from flu despite getting the vaccine. This is more likely to occur among people that have weakened immune systems. However, even among people with weakened immune systems, the flu vaccine can still help prevent influenza complications. For more information about the effectiveness of the flu vaccine, see How Well Does the Seasonal Flu Vaccine Work?


I really get tired of hearing this same tired myth over and over again... :banghead:
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 08:25 AM
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46. I never said I had the flu
But what we suspect is I did have a reaction, which is feasible from the shots.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 08:29 AM
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47. My doctor said it was the flu after running tests.
If I didn't get it from the shot, then I was exposed when I went to get it.
I don't go out enough to exposed to other things.
And As I pointed out, my wife used to get her shot every year and every year during flu season she would come down with the flu. And every year she hated me because I wouldn't even sniffle while tending to her.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 12:39 PM
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50. Do you get mail? Do you handle money? Do you go shopping? Do you leave your house, or get
anything brought in from the outside? If so, yes, you can be exposed. Money is a good way to spread diseases. If your mail carrier, or someone at the post office, is sick, sneezed on your mail, you touch it, touch your eyes or nose and voila. You are infected.

The most common way for people to get exposed is to touch something, then touch your eyes or nose. Influenza viruses have a narrow temperature range they like to live in. The reason they live in respiratory system is because that is the right temp. If you have virus on your hand, and touch your eyes, rub your eyes, or your nose, the virus can be easily transfered to right where it wants to live. Then lives, multiplies, lives on, for several days and then your body goes "omg!" raises temp to try and kill them off.

Finally, if you do not cough for a couple weeks, if you don't have that bronchial cough (bronchitis), then it probably wasn't the flu but a cold or other upper respiratory infection (uri). Listen when you go out and hear if people are doing that hack hack hack cough. They had influenza.

I've heard "oh, it was just a cold and now I have bronchitis". Which may be true but more often than not it was influenza.

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GirlinContempt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 12:50 PM
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52. Not to mention the fact that even if you don't get really sick
you're still able to pass it around for quite a while to others who will get ill.
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blueknight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 01:02 PM
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53. ive been getting them for 30 years
never had a reaction
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 01:04 PM
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54. And, you can pass it around before you show symptoms.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 01:07 PM
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55. Funny how the only two times in over 40 years was after the shot.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 01:12 PM
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57. Next time, get it as soon as they are available, before people have the flu
That way you won't get the disease from being exposed.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 01:21 PM
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58. Since 1968, flu TWO times after the shot. 0 times in 41 other years.
don't think I need to worry about flu without shot half as much as worrying about it with shot.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 01:25 PM
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59. What were your symptoms? You can not get a live infection from dead virus
Edited on Tue Nov-29-11 01:34 PM by uppityperson
That is a simple and basic fact. If you are injected with dead virus, you can not get an active infection. If you exposed to live virus, you can.

If you got the nasal spray, that is LIVE virus. Injections, the shot, are DEAD virus.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 02:03 PM
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66. All I know is that both times it was corroborated by the doctor.
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 11:51 AM
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92. No, the fact that you had the flu was corroborated, not that you got it from the vaccination
which would be impossible. This kind of reminds me of the classic old man joke.

95 year old man:
My 28 year old wife is pregnant, your opinion Doctor?

Doctor:
Let me tell you a story.
A hunter in a hurry grabs an umbrella instead of the gun. He moves into the jungle, sees a lion, lifts the umbrella, pulls the handle and BANG... The lion drops dead!

Old man:
That's impossible; someone else must have shot the lion.

Doctor:
MY POINT EXACTLY!
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In case you arent getting the metaphor, the injection is the umbrella in the story.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 02:45 PM
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98. whether or not the shot gave me the flu, I ended up having the flu.
And the only two times I've had the flu since 1968 was right after I got the shot.
Maybe it was a really good reaction, All Iknow is the doctor said I had the flu and I felt like crap fopr a long time.
My wife got a flu shot every year and every year during flu season she would get the flu anyway. And I never had a sniffle while tending to her. Of course the flu shot only works against a specific flu virous and she probably got a different one. But I NEVER caught it.
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 02:58 PM
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99. It takes about two weeks after vaccination for antibodies to develop in the body
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 03:11 PM
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100. So. How does that explain me not getting the flu when I did NOT get a shot
And getting the flu BOTH times I did get a shot. Looks like 41-2 odds in my book
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stevenleser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 04:25 PM
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103. Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 07:40 PM
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118. Thereby proving nothing
Edited on Wed Nov-30-11 07:43 PM by hobbit709
I'm only talking about MY personal experience.

Maybe my immune system is weird. There's quite a few other things from childhood on that I was exposed to and didn't catch.
Back in 1970 when I went into the Air Force, they couldn't get my smallpox vaccination to take and I reacted big time to the plague shot.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 06:18 PM
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111. The shot contains dead viruses which are incapable of giving you the flu.
If you got it "right after I got the shot", there is a 2 week incubation period for symptoms to show up which means you were exposed 2 weeks BEFORE you got the shot.

Question for you. Do you ever get bronchitis? That bad hacking cough? Not sniffles, but that cough?
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 07:38 PM
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117. No bronchitis, no nothing.
Funny how the CDC says the incubation period for flu is a lot less than two weeks.

How soon will I get sick if I am exposed to the flu?

The time from when a person is exposed to flu virus to when symptoms begin is about 1 to 4 days, with an average of about 2 days.
http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/disease.htm#exposed
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 07:44 PM
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119. OK, I was wrong on live virus incubation time. Regarding bronchitis
Edited on Wed Nov-30-11 07:49 PM by uppityperson
in my experience, the vast majority of people who had influenza get the bronchial cough (yes, it is on the CDC site also). If you don't cough, you probably didn't have the flu. You may have another uri or cold, or other virus, but if you don't cough, probably not influenza.

Of course, I was wrong abut incubation time for live virus. Have been reading through the thread and read it and know some viruses take that long and was being to lazy to look it up and double check. I've been wrong before, thanks for calling me on that.

Aha, 2 wk incubation for the shot to take effect, not 2 wks after being exposed to live virus.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 01:09 PM
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56. its a pain but better than getting old people, people with suppressed immune systems sick
still, i agree its a pain :hug:
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frogmarch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 01:28 PM
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60. I always get flu shots and
have never been sick from the shots or had the flu.

I am a firm supporter of vaccinations. Not just flu vaccinations, but all vaccinations.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 05:40 PM
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76. Me too!
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 01:58 PM
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63. I think some people are just susceptible to that
Edited on Tue Nov-29-11 01:59 PM by WilliamPitt
i.e. they get bad sick from whatever shot they took. I've never gotten a flu shot, and for one reason: when I was 13, I got a series of allergy shots. I detonated into a fever of 104 and was off the earth for almost two weeks. It doesn't happen to everyone, but when it happens, it really happens.

So I totally understand Lynne's concerns.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 02:03 PM
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65. You can get flu from a dead vaccine shot as easily as from a shot of sterile saline.
There is no live virus to infect you so you can not get the disease from it. You might react to whatever is in the carrier, but you can not get the disease.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 02:07 PM
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67. I didn't get the flu, I think I just had a bad reaction
at this time I feel I am not required to get flu shots and I'm not really in the position to lose another week of work. So I doubt I will get another flu shot for awhile. But maybe when I'm older and I can spare the sick time I'll start getting them again (or perhaps they'll improve whatever they are doing).

There are people who react to flu shots, I just happen to be one of them.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 02:15 PM
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70. FYI - I did NOT get the Flu from my flu shot. I had a reaction to the shot
There is a difference.

I don't want people thinking 'Oh you can get the flu from a flu shot' - you can't and I did not have it.

Probably what happened is a reaction to the shot itself, which was more like a bad cold, body aches, and I have slept forever and a day.

People can have reactions to the shot - here's what the CDC has to say:

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/keyfacts.htm

Vaccine Side Effects (What to Expect)
Different side effects can be associated with the flu shot and LAIV.
The flu shot: The viruses in the flu shot are killed (inactivated), so you cannot get the flu from a flu shot. Some minor side effects that could occur are:

Soreness, redness, or swelling where the shot was given
Fever (low grade)
Aches
If these problems occur, they begin soon after the shot and usually last 1 to 2 days. Almost all people who receive influenza vaccine have no serious problems from it. However, on rare occasions, flu vaccination can cause serious problems, such as severe allergic reactions. As of July 1, 2005, people who think that they have been injured by the flu shot can file a claim for compensation from the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP).


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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 02:46 PM
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72. In which case you need to be careful with all vaccines.
some people do have vaccine reactions. What other vaccines have you had in recent yrs.

I am amused by your explanation now, 4 hours later, after your thread gets the reaction you seem to have been looking for. "Oh, THAT's not what I meant". Yup.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 03:55 PM
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73. My brain is still in a fog from whatever happened to me so I blame that on the flu shot too
:hide:
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 01:20 PM
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94. to be fair
she said she got SICK from the shot, not that she got the flu from it

"In the past 15 years I've gotten 3 flu shots. Every single time I was sick for a week afterwards. Mind you the first 2 times was over 10 years ago so for over a decade never had a flu shot and only got the flu once (and for the record - survived it)."

I read that as 3 times sick for a week after the 3 times of getting the shot and one time sick for unspecified length of time with the flu in 15 years.

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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 02:44 PM
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97. That's my bad english at work
:blush:
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Demoiselle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 02:16 PM
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71. I'm so sorry, LynneSin...
Have you spoken to your doctor about this? Or an immunologist? Perhaps there's an underlying cause for your reaction they could help you deal with.
All the best....
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 04:33 PM
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74. Hubby was sicker than $hi! after a flu shot one year. He has gotten
them since without an adverse reaction.

May just have been timing the year he got sick, or it truly may have made him sick.


I don't get flu shots. I've had several horrible bouts with flu, so I figure maybe
I'm immune and I'll take my chances. But one flu was so bad I ended up in the hospital.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 04:51 PM
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75. The purpose of the flu shot is to activate the immune system. I suspect
that what you are dealing with is a result of a very active immune system. Fever, chills, fatigue - they could all be a result of your immune system at work. No matter how much the shot is improved, you still have the same immune system .

I'd talk with your doctor to see if you should avoid the shot. Keep in mind, though, that many suggest that the 1918 flu killed many young, healthy people because their immune systems reacted with a cytokine storm. My question is this: if your immune system makes you so ill when confronted with a dead virus, what would it do when confronted with live virus?

My grandmother got deathly ill from her flu shot every year, and she was first in line every year to get one. She lost a lot of friends in 1918 to the flu, so she knew from experience that it can be bad.
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mokawanis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 06:41 PM
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77. It works for me
I've been getting the shot for about 6 years and I haven't had the flu since. Before that I could pretty much guarentee I'd come down with the flu every year or two.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-29-11 11:37 PM
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80. I'm totally with you, LynneSin. I've never been prone to get the flu, either, but two years ago
I decided to get one when I was in the doctor's office & it was the first time I'd gotten the flu -- nasty one, too.

The best way to avoid the flu is to keep your hands washed & to take vitamin C.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 09:56 AM
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88. You did notice that she didn't get the flu, just had a big reaction otherwise?
The best way to avoid the flu is to not touch your eyes or nose, and get vaccinated against it before you are exposed.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 04:36 PM
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104. Perhaps you misunderstood what I wrote. I said that *I* got the flu after getting the vaccine.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 05:53 PM
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105. Either you were exposed before getting the DEAD vx shot, or you got the live vx nasal spray
If you got the shot, it was dead virus and could not infect you. Incubation after being exposed to live virus is a couple weeks so you can count back and see when you were exposed.

If you are prone to getting the flu, or have other risk factors, it is best to get the vaccine as soon as it comes out before there is much active disease in your community.

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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 06:08 PM
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106. I didn't mean to offend anyone; I'm certainly not against vaccines.
I just remember how I felt before getting the vaccine, which was great, and how I felt after getting the vaccine & what it led to. As I said in my earlier post, I got the vaccine at the doctor's office, which was during a routine visit to get prescriptions, not because of illness.

I'm almost never sick, have had the flu maybe 3 times in my entire life, & that third time was after getting the vaccine.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 06:13 PM
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109. I'm not offended, simply pointing out that a vx with dead virus cannot give you the disease.
If you were there to get rx's, and were exposed then, it had nothing to do with the vx (if you got the shot). Coincidences happen and in your case it seems if you were exposed from that visit, you'd have been exposed anyway.

Best ways to avoid influenza is don't touch your nose or eyes, eat well, stay well hydrated and rested, and get the vx before being exposed to the disease. I tend to wait until Nov to get my vx, knowing I risk getting sick but it is just difficult to make myself do it sooner. One of these yrs I will and not have to worry.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 07:47 PM
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121.  I was wrong about a couple wks incubation time, it is only a few days.
Edited on Wed Nov-30-11 07:50 PM by uppityperson
sorry, been wrong before, will be again. I got this time in my head today and somehow it stuck, though wrongly.

Found it, it takes 2 wks for the dead vaccine virus to take effect, only a couple days for being exposed to live virus to get sick.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 07:45 PM
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120. I was wrong about incubation time. For influenza it's only a couple days after exposure to live viru
Edited on Wed Nov-30-11 07:51 PM by uppityperson
It is possible you got it when you went in to get the vx as there are sick people at most clinics, coughing sneezing. Exposure to live virus gets you sick in a few days. It takes a couple weeks after getting the dead virus shot to be immune.
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Lugnut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 01:24 AM
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82. I never got one.
I've had the flu once is the past 10 years. I'll take my chances.
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saras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 02:16 AM
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83. In college, I watch hundreds of students get sick when they get the vaccination.
A small few, on the other hand, get REALLY sick when they get the flu.

But there's no point in lying about the vaccine making people sick, just because it doesn't make EVERYONE sick.
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Mudoria Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 12:42 PM
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93. Have had the flu shot for the last 16 or so years
Haven't had the flu or any after-effects from the shot in all that time.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 03:16 PM
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101. The idea is the devil you know rather than the devil you don't
At least the flu shot won't kill you

Some strain of flu you catch might
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mzteris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 06:09 PM
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107. you canNOT get the flu from the flu shot
you may have an undiagnosed allergy, though.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 06:10 PM
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108. I've never had one and never will because I've known too many Spaniards.
If something goes wrong, I have no primary physician to go to. So, no flu shots for me.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 06:15 PM
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110. Yet you have more of a chance of needing health care from influenza.
You risk more by not getting a flu shot, if your goal is to avoid having to use a health care provider.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 06:34 PM
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112. You are thinking in terms of health risk
where uninsured people can only think in terms of financial risk which can cost them their food money or their utility money or their rent or house payment.

If I get the flu, my choices are to tough it out or to tough it out.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 06:39 PM
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113. And, if you get pneumonia? Need antibiotics? Or hospitalization when your lungs fill
up and you can't breath? No. It is far cheaper to pay $25 and get a flu shot than risk that.

Uninsured people need to consider the financial risks indeed and $25 is much cheaper than a doctor's visit, antibiotics, hospitalization.

Sometimes people can't "tough it out" and die. Like a 21 yr old cousin who "didn't want to bother the doctors" and "couldn't afford the shot" and died when his lungs filled up with gunk after getting pneumonia after the flu.

$25 would have been cheap, not only his life but the costs incurred during those last few hours trying to save him.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 06:48 PM
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114. Wait -- are you tellng me that not having access to health care has consequences?
Edited on Wed Nov-30-11 06:48 PM by EFerrari
Really?

Lmao.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 06:57 PM
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115. My 21 yr old cousin had access and chose to not use it. He tried to "tough it out" at home
until too late, and he died. For those who don't have access, it is stupid to not take an inexpensive basic precaution.

If you want to mock my family for grieving over my cousin's death, I have no use for you.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-30-11 08:02 PM
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122. Locking
At the Original Poster's request.

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