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everythingsxen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 05:23 PM
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Poll question: Free will vs. Fate
Is everything in life predetermined?

Is it all chaos?

Sorry, polls are turned off at Level 3.

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Cursive_Knives512 Donating Member (423 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 05:26 PM
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1. I voted for free will,
But when I get depressed, I'm known to quote a line from Yugioh: "No one can change our destiny. We, step by step, move toward the hopeless future where the last light is fading away."

:evilgrin:
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everythingsxen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 05:31 PM
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2. I myself choose destiny because...
I can't seem to get my brain past the idea that even if I "freely choose" something, I have no way of knowing if I was destined to "freely choose" that option.
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Cursive_Knives512 Donating Member (423 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 05:32 PM
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3. Ah! Good point!!
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bloodyjack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 05:36 PM
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4. oooh
Edited on Sat Apr-03-04 05:36 PM by mahayasmellbad
i've always thought one can only possess free will insofar as he conscious of every determining factor of his behavior

also i think people tend to confuse free will with unpredictability

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teach1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 05:37 PM
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5. Free will exists...
..but it's expensive.
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bigwillq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 05:40 PM
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6. I voted for fate
I feel everything in life is predetermined.
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Triple H Donating Member (714 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 05:43 PM
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7. Free will.
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Devils Advocate NZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 05:50 PM
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8. Youe left out a third option: "All of the above:"
From my perspective both fate and free will play a role - fate feeds us a set of options, but we have free will to choose which option we take.
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Nikia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 05:55 PM
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9. I might sound like a heretic for saying this
This assuming that the Genesis story happened this way or is at least a metaphor. Adam and Eve chose free will by eating the forbidden fruit. They chose knowledge so that they could make their own destinies rather than relying on God to take of everything for them. Of course the Bible condemns it as sinful, but wouldn't most of us choose free will.
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AG78 Donating Member (840 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 05:56 PM
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10. If it's all predetermined...
what's the point? That would be such a waste of something that seems as precious as life.
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everythingsxen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 06:21 PM
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11. Not necessarily..
Simply because it is all predetermined.. you still have your role to play out. Who knows what your fate is?
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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 06:46 PM
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12. I don't see them as mutually exclusive.
I think some things are destined to happen. Like some phenomenon of astronomy too many light years away for us to visualise is nontheless a fait accompli and hurtling it's way irrevocably toward us, some things will occur. But there is always a matter of free will in how we choose to respond, even to that which is destined.
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Astarho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 07:26 PM
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13. My thoughts too
Fate and free will are just different sides of the same coin.
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 07:51 PM
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14. This response was determined before time began...
And this typo - tpyo - was also predetermined. I have no personal control over this keyboard. And I haven't showered yet today as it's not in the stars.

In fact, the future has already happened. There's no point in even going there.

FOOEY!

But a nap -- ah, there definitely *is* a nap in store!



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mobuto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 08:19 PM
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15. There is no free will
our lots were all determined before our both. We are players in the grand play, sinners in the hands of an angry Lord. Luther was right!
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 08:31 PM
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16. I chose to vote for Destiny but inevitably my mouse clicked Free Will
Life is predetermined chaos
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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-03-04 10:37 PM
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17. Never found a sufficient definition for what free will is.
People say things like "being able to make choices on your own" and stuff like that...well, it seems pretty darn clear that we make our own choices...but the question is what MAKES us make these choices? What makes us feel and think the way we do?

I'm pretty sure that our behavior is predetermined, in one way or another. But I would like a real definition of free will so I could be sure.
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