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backwoodsbob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 10:16 AM
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any advice on how to get rid of blue jays?
my hill is overrun with jays.They chase off and in some cases attack the cardinals and finches and such.NOTHING can get to our feeders except the jays.They are mean birds and on par with crows in my book.

I'm about to play attack on them if I can't fin'd a non violent way to rid them.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 10:19 AM
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1. Birds of prey.
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backwoodsbob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 10:20 AM
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2. well I don't have the option of bringing in falcons nt
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-11 01:14 AM
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49. I have raptors here.
Today I saw where one had hit a dove near one of my feeders. Last week I was looking out the window and a hawk came onto the back porch, chasing a bird. They prefer the doves and I've never known them to take a blue jay. Not saying they never do.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 10:21 AM
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3. Actually, blue jays are members of the crow family.
That's part of the problem. It means they're smart and aggressive. Short of shooting them, which in most neighborhoods is illegal, about the only thing you can do is stop filling your bird feeders for a couple of weeks. The jays will give up and move on.
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backwoodsbob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 10:22 AM
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4. they are MEAN
Edited on Fri Dec-31-10 10:24 AM by backwoodsbob
they have KILLED several cardinals in my yard.

Guess it's time to get out the gamo

on edit:I'm not in a neighborhood..I live in the woods..guess I'll deal with them
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-11 01:16 AM
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50. Blue jays like to rob other birds' eggs and live chicks out of their nests.
That is what I dislike most about their behavior.
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Inchworm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 10:32 AM
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5. Climb a tree and act like a nut?
or is that for squirrels? :D

Stop feeding for a bit I'd guess.

:hi:
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backwoodsbob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 10:35 AM
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6. not going to stop feeding
have LOTS of cardinals and swallows and finches that are used to eating here.

Going to gamo the jays I guess now that I know they are part of the crow family
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 10:43 AM
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7. 12 gauge pump.
Check local laws before use.

mark
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backwoodsbob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 10:46 AM
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8. have better
gamo breakbarrel air rifle.1700 fps of death.3-9x40 scope and accurate as hell.They won't figure out where it's coming from.
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backwoodsbob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 10:54 AM
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9. my biggest worry
we have some mourning doves here.The jays attack them.Gonna go get the gamo and sit on the porch and see what I can do.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 01:00 PM
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19. We had mourning doves nesting on our back porch for several years...
They are filthy and amazingly stupid...they must shit their own weight every day. When we had the porch repaired this summer, we eliminated their nesting place.

mark
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 11:48 PM
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43. Is that what you used to shoot your nephew's dog?
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 01:05 PM
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20. BIRDS PROTECTED BY THE MIGRATORY BIRD TREATY ACT
... JAY, Blue, Cyanocitta cristata ...
http://www.fws.gov/migratorybirds/regulationspolicies/m...

You may want to review 50 CFR 10, 50 CFR 20, and 50 CFR 21
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 01:16 PM
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22. ... The Migratory Bird Treaty Act (text) (summary) makes it illegal for anyone to take, possess,
import, export, transport, sell, purchase, barter, or offer for sale, purchase, or barter, any migratory bird, or the parts, nests, or eggs of such a bird except under the terms of a valid permit issued pursuant to Federal regulations. The migratory bird species protected by the Act are listed in 50 CFR 10.13 ...

http://www.fws.gov/migratorybirds/mbpermits.html
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Crystal Clarity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 04:39 PM
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36. A 12 gauge?
OMG mega splat. That's awful. Not a big fan of blue jays, but still... :cry:
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suninvited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 11:05 AM
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10. Blue Jays are protected
by the Migratory Bird Treaty Act of 1918.

You cannot shoot them without a permit.

"It is illegal to transport, trap or kill native non-game adult birds like Blue Jays or Mockingbirds without a permit, even if they are harassing birds at nestboxes or feeders."

http://www.sialis.org/mbta.htm#except

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backwoodsbob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 11:07 AM
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11. tell that to the ones I'm gonna drop nt
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here_is_to_hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 11:37 AM
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13. Shoot, shovel and shut up....
Oldest farmers creed in Montana.
Well, maybe 3-7-77...
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Paladin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 11:33 AM
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12. You're Not Looking For Advice.

It's obvious you're not interested in any suggestions regarding non-lethal solutions to deal with those jays---not when you get such a kick out of using that bad-ass air rifle. Like your profile comment says: "lets take em out." Absolutely stomach-turning.
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backwoodsbob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 02:47 PM
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25. have you got an alternative?
if so tell me
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Ptah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 02:54 PM
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27. How about netting that the blue-jays won't fit through?
:shrug:

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suninvited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 02:58 PM
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29. I have one
stop feeding the birds.

If your bird feeders are causing this problem, then the solution is to not feed them. You can try again after the blue jays have moved on, and see if they come back.

Are the birds dependent upon your feeders? Would they starve to death without them?

Nope.

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backwoodsbob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 02:54 PM
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26. my profile says lets take em out?
really?..show me.

Show me where my profile says that or I'm gonna try to get you banned for lying about fellow members
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 02:59 PM
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backwoodsbob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 03:15 PM
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33. I would assume you knew
that means repukes.

Nm..this place is getting to be a joke
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Ptah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 03:40 PM
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34. So 'let's take em out' is what you want to do to Republicans?
I'm surprised this isn't your avatar:

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backwoodsbob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 05:39 PM
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41. this place is getting to be a joke
SKINNER...permaban me..this place isnt worth it any more
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MicaelS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 09:48 PM
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42. Wow, what a surprise, you even hate air guns too...
I'm totally shocked. :sarcasm:
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 12:00 PM
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14. I had the same problem
Tried a plastic owl and it kinda worked for a little while, but they figured it out. My Ruger 10-22 carbine works well. ;)

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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 12:01 PM
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15. You have to keep moving the owl. Jays are smart and they figure out
that it's fake unless you move it every couple of days.
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 12:07 PM
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16. Damn
Climbing that tree once was hard enough on an old man like me :crazy:
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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 12:47 PM
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17. They are definitely mean
I grew up in Massachusetts, where there seemed to be more of them and they were around more often. But in the Santa Clara home I lived in, there was ONE...only ONE...blue jay that showed up every day, and would prowl the yard like the proverbial "bull in a china shop," and as soon as he showed up, the other birds pretty much took off.

I think they're just hard-wired to see the world as their oyster and everyone else as in their way, ya know?

:rofl:

Good luck. And please don't resort to violence.

:toast:
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NCarolinawoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 12:55 PM
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18. Put out a diversity of food.
Doves like millet and milo, while jays prefer the bigger "fun stuff" like peanuts with shells and crusts of bread.

Jays are often called the "Swashbucklers" of the songbird kingdom. Most people have them at their feeders and manage to deal with them, even enjoy them. Put their favorite "hunkier" foods away from where the other birds feed. They will grab it and fly off--at least for a while.

Jays have their own nitch to fill. They are often the first ones to warn of hawks, and they don't particularly like crows...will often go after them.

Frankly, I find jays very entertaining. I enjoy their intelligence, exuberance, and sense of the comic. Today I heard one call out, only he didn't sound like a jay--he was imitating the sound of a dog barking. There is another jay whose specialty is imitating the sounds of motors and people talking on the radio. (can't quite figure out what station he/she listens to). :)
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suninvited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 03:03 PM
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31. that's fascinating
I think I read once that jays will imitate sounds, but I have never witnessed it myself.
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NCarolinawoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 04:56 PM
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37.  I think some individuals are better at it than others.
I have heard several interesting stories from wildlife workers who have raised orphaned blue jays in households

One of he funniest things I ever witnessed was a blue jay imitating the sound of a cat. It was almost a cartoon imitation like "MEE-OW" MEE-OOOWWWWW"... At first I couldn't figure out how a "very loudmouthed cat" got so high up in a pine tree. Then suddenly a bunch of other blue jays let out a scold, and flew after the one that was doing the "mee-owing". He had fooled them too!

A lot of times a blue jay will imitate the sound of a hawk, possibly to see if the other birds will fall for it. I think that jays are so intelligent that they simply might be looking for different ways to entertain themselves. ;-)
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 01:08 PM
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21. I have blue jays, cardinals, and pheasants
Chickadees, and they all seem to get along
It is the squirrels that eat everything
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semillama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 01:24 PM
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23. STOP FEEDING before you start shooting
None of the birds coming to your feeder are depending on it as a food source. If you stop feeding, they'll just go somewhere else to feed. If you feel you can't stop feeding, there are non-lethal options.

1) switch to pure thistle seed in tube feeders. You may lose the cardinals but you'll keep the finches while the jays find another free lunch.

2) If you don't want to lose the non-finches, then acquire a couple of these type of feeders, which should keep the jays off the feeders.
http://www.safehomeproducts.com/shp2/product/grande-squ...

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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 01:25 PM
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24. General Bird Control and Management Information
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backwoodsbob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 02:56 PM
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28. hell with it
some of you aren't worth it
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Inchworm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 03:06 PM
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32. Hehe.. I always have been a fan of "you"
but, if you don't plan to eat the jays you shoot :D

Can you notch the shot down for fear? A shotgun overhead works well, but you have to be persistant. Eventually, they all will quit feeding.. the pretty birds will return when you start back feeding, but the jays will follow soon after.

I had the same issue with squirrels a few years back.

BTW: Happy New Year!

:toast:
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panader0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 04:38 PM
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35. Mark Twain had a story about Blue Jays
'What Stumped The Jays' I believe. Maybe it'll help.
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Kaleva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 05:12 PM
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38. Multiple feeding stations out of sight of each other.
The blue jays that come to my feeders tend to come as a group. Some feeding while others acting as lookouts. I have one feeding station in the front of the house and another in the back. When the Jays take over one, the rest of the birds still can get to the other.
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backwoodsbob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 05:36 PM
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39. I'll try that..thanks
peanuts et all in the back feeder...sorbet in the front.

Thank you.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 05:38 PM
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40. What are you feeding?
If you're feeding peanuts, don't.

Feed the birds thistle, unshelled sunflowers, and other things that are too much of a hassle for the jays to open.
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TheMightyFavog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 11:56 PM
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44. Put them up against pretty well much any club in the AL East, except for Baltimore
Even more so now that Marcum's now a Brewer.
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-31-10 11:57 PM
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45. Simple and guilt-free solution...
Become an irresponsible outdoor cat owner.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-11 12:16 AM
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46. Cats don't mess with jays too often. They get strafed.
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Gold Metal Flake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-11 12:49 AM
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47. Does not matter. Set 'em free and turn your back.
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-11 12:55 AM
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48. Red paint balls.
:shrug:
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-01-11 02:06 AM
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51. Locking -
Thank you!
Happy New Year!

dmr
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