Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Finite Math problem...

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » The DU Lounge Donate to DU
 
one_voice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 07:07 PM
Original message
Finite Math problem...
How many 6 digit Delaware license plates are there with three distinct digits, one occurring once, the second occurring twice and the third occurring thrice? The digit 0 cannot be the first digit.

This is one of my son's math problems...he's having trouble..not sure whether to use combinations or permutations? Or if these choices are right.

Any ideas? It reads like a foreign language to me.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 07:16 PM
Response to Original message
1. 9 x 8 x 7 - nope, not right...
Edited on Mon Sep-27-10 07:19 PM by petronius
It's really the same problem as the 'how many 3 digit combinations are possible' - theyve just gussied it up a bit. But there's just 3 possible slots, and 9 possibilities for the first slot...

Edit - sorry, I misread the 0 thing, though it said zero couldn't be used. Do they mean 0 can't be the first number on the plate, or zero can't be the number that occurs once? I'll have to think a bit more...
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
one_voice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 07:37 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. 0 cannot be the first digit on the plate...
It can be used for any "occurrence" just not the first digit. Thanks for the help. I was able to help with multiplication, division, algebra, but I have no idea about this.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
dimbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 07:28 PM
Response to Original message
2. Hints:
The first thing to do is count how many patterns there are. The digit which appears once could be in 6 places. The digit which appears twice has to choose 2 places from the remaining 5, which is the combination 5 choose 2, which is 10. The digit which appears three times is stuck, there are no more choices, have to fill the remaining slots.

So there are 60 patterns.

You could choose the single digit 10 ways, the twice appearing one 9 ways, and the thrice appearing 8 ways. So there are 720 ways to choose the digits. Total so far: 60 x 720.

But wait: what about the restriction that 0 can't start? Well, there's just as much chance of starting with zero as any other number. So 10% are thrown out by the restriction.

You end up with 9/10 times 60 times 720.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
one_voice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 07:37 PM
Response to Reply #2
4. Thanks...
that's helpful.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 07:51 PM
Response to Original message
5. Just go through it slowly. Here's a complete solution, but your son will do better
Edited on Mon Sep-27-10 08:20 PM by struggle4progress
to suffer through at least some of the discovery himself

There are six slots to occupy, but only three distinct numbers to put in the slots, and 0 cannot go into the first slot

How can you describe such a license plate?
You can say first whether the first digit on the plate occurs once, twice, or thrice
If the first digit occurs once, you can say what it is. Then there is a digit that appears twice: you can say where it occurs and what it is. Finally you say what digit occurs in the remaining three slots
If the first digit occurs twice, you can say what it is and where else it occurs. Then there is a digit that appears once: you can say where it occurs and what it is. Finally you say what digit occurs in the remaining three slots
If the first digit occurs thrice, you can say what it is and where else it occurs. Then there is a digit that appears once: you can say where it occurs and what it is. Finally you say what digit occurs in the remaining two slots

So split the problem into three simpler problems (with all the above restrictions):
How many license plates are there with the number in the first slot occurring once?
How many license plates are there with the number in the first slot occurring twice?
How many license plates are there with the number in the first slot occurring thrice?
The sum of the answers to these simpler problems will be the answer to the original problem

How many license plates are there with the number in the first slot occurring once?
0 cannot occur in the first slot, so there are 9 possibilities for the number in first slot
We now need to pick 2 more slots for the number that occurs twice: there are 5-choose-2 = 10 ways to choose this slot
We now need to choose a digit to occupy these slots: it must be different from the number in the first slot, so there are 9 possibilities for the number we choose to put in these 2 slots
We now need to choose a digit to occupy the remaining 3 slots: it must be different from the two numbers we have already chosen, so there are 8 possibilities for the number we choose to put in these 3 slots
Total: 9x10x9x8 = 9*720 = 6480

How many license plates are there with the number in the first slot occurring twice?
0 cannot occur in the first slot, so there are 9 possibilities for the number in first slot
We need to pick another slot to drop this number into: there are 5 ways to choose it
We now need to pick another (unused) slot for the number that occurs once: there are 4 ways to choose it
We now need to choose a digit to occupy the remaining 3 slots: it must be different from the two numbers we have already chosen, so there are 8 possibilities for the number we choose to put in these 3 slots
Total: 9x5x4x8 = 9*180 = 1620
<correction: 9x5x4x8 = 9*160 = 1440>

How many license plates are there with the number in the first slot occurring thrice?
0 cannot occur in the first slot, so there are 9 possibilities for the number in first slot
We need to pick two more slots to drop this number into: there are 5-choose-2 = 10 ways to choose them
We now need to pick another (unused) slot for the number that occurs once: there are 3 ways to choose it
We now need to choose a digit to occupy the remaining 2 slots: it must be different from the two numbers we have already chosen, so there are 8 possibilities for the number we choose to put in these 2 slots
Total: 9x10x3x2 = 9*60 = 540

Answer: 6480 + 1620 + 540
<correction: 6480 + 1440 + 540>







Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
one_voice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 08:05 PM
Response to Reply #5
6. My son says thanks a lot...
this really helps. You guys are the best.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
some guy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 08:15 PM
Response to Reply #5
7. this part is wrong
Total: 9x5x4x8 = 9*180 = 1620

9 x 5 = 45
45 x 4 = 180
180 x 8 = 1440

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-10 08:18 PM
Response to Reply #7
8. Thanks! "Always check a mathematician's arithmetic, because it's probably wrong"
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Tue Apr 23rd 2024, 02:07 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » The DU Lounge Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC