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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 04:15 PM
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Another look...Mel Gibson's girlfriend definitely goads him =while recording him=...
What a selfish clot. What a plotter, an attention whore...

Not to completely forgive Mel, but what a plotting, opportunistic fuckhead.
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Chan790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 04:35 PM
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1. It seems almost kismet...
two awful people who I would suggest seemingly deserve each other if he hadn't allegedly broken her teeth. Nobody deserves to be hit in a relationship.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 04:56 PM
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3. I haven't paid the most attention to this, I didn't know that he had broken her teeth!
But I did hear her taking pleasure while goading him while recording him. A lose-lose-situation.
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Chan790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 05:11 PM
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10. I read it in the Telegraph...
apparently there are allegations now from his camp that she faked that to extort money from him.

I found this article on the whole sordid mess from the Trib.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2010-07-16/entertain...
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 08:48 PM
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21. Too bad so sad for you women abuser supporters, but
her dentist backs her up.

dg
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Chan790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 07:42 AM
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31. I don't support the abuse of women, thanks.
I was trying and succeeding in presenting an impartial account of the claims being made since I do not know the facts of what actually happened (oh and for that matter...neither do you. Only what has been reported in the news.)

Further, the "extortion" claim makes him look worse rather than her. I used to work as a screenwriter briefly and have spent time in the so-called "Hollywood Circles" (Actually I was based out of and worked in NYC)...the "this b*tch is trying to extort me!" line is the rich and powerful mens' equivalent of "The check's in the mail" or "The dog ate my paperwork." Nobody really believes it. It makes good fodder for Star, EW and People under headlines like "Mel's Baby-Mama Drama" and next to articles claiming "You can have Taylor Lautner's abs in just 5 days."...that's about it.

:thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: for the slander though.
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 11:35 AM
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39. try saying that the first time
instead of making it look like you're jumping on the "blame the victim, it's all her fault anyway" bandwagon.

:thumbsdown: :thumbsdown: for buying into an "impartial" account that is really pro-Gibson.

dg

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Chan790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 11:52 AM
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43. Um, see post #1 above.
I said it before anybody else was here even.
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-10 05:50 AM
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49. Yes, you equate domestic violence with being a gold digger
Sorry, they are NOT the same thing, nor are they equally "bad." While it's not admirable to be a gold digger, it's not a crime. As far as I can tell, no one put a gun to Mel's head & told him to screw around on his wife, get a divorce, & hook up with Oksana.

OTOH, it IS against the law to beat your wife or girlfriend. It IS against the law to threaten to kill her. By responding to Oksana's accusations, backed up with her recordings, by saying "well, she's a gold digger, she's a manipulator, she made him say it by pushing his buttons," you're excusing at best & justifying at worst, Mel's behavior.


dg

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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-10 10:21 AM
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51. +1
Women make men do things, they are never responsible. :sarcasm:
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 11:49 AM
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41. Not doing behaviors someone could blackmail or extort you over would be the best plan.
But I'm weird that way.

:silly:
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 08:45 PM
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19. He took pleasure in beating her
so I guess that makes it okay in your book.

dg
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 04:41 PM
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2. the men CHEERED when he got her. well, see, here it is. he is no better, that is for sure
Edited on Sat Jul-17-10 04:43 PM by seabeyond
goaded or not.... that is all his.

bitch or not, he is an asshole

there is a reason a very young woman hooks up with an old man, and it isnt cause he is hawt.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 05:05 PM
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5. she is 40
younger than him but it's not like she is 20 .
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-10 10:19 AM
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50. Right, because 20 is better than some 40 year old washup?
:shrug:
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foxfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 05:07 PM
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7. Exactly which men cheered?
I must have missed that, not that I've followed every single post about this situation.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 05:36 PM
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12. clueless. i dont follow celeberties. i went into a thread and guys were talking about it... about
all i remember. and the way they were talking, i thought she was much younger than forty, as a poster has told me above.



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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 05:02 PM
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4. If a rich and famous and respected ahole was beating on me, I would plot like hell too.
You call it being an opportunistic fuckhead, I call it self preservation. No matter how pissed off he is now, he can't kill her because he would instantly be the prime suspect. His money and fame can no longer shield him.

When you're getting the shit beat out of you (and let's not forget she has a baby to also protect now), then yes, you should be selfish.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 05:07 PM
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6. See my post 3...
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 05:09 PM
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8. but how do we know she took pleasure in it? n/t
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 05:11 PM
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9. From her smiles in her televised press conference (loves the attention)
and from the smiles in her voice as she revs him up in the recording I heard. It's quite obvious.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 05:41 PM
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13. So she isn't allowed to smile? Is that it?
Edited on Sat Jul-17-10 05:42 PM by LisaL
And you are able to hear "smiles in her voice" from the recorded taped conversations? Really?
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 06:45 PM
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14. Yes..you know...Women get "That Look" in their voice.
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 08:47 PM
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20. Yeah smiling attention whores deserve to get smacked around
Edited on Sat Jul-17-10 08:47 PM by WolverineDG
Damn broads deserve no less.

It's quite obvious to me how YOU feel about men beating women.

dg
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 05:29 PM
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11. So what? Is he now the victim because she 'goaded him'?
Edited on Sat Jul-17-10 05:31 PM by lunatica
Were her words equal to his? Did she call him names and insult him and threaten him and hit him and demand sexual satisfaction from him? No. She smiled, or sounds like she smiled.

Wow. Just wow.

I can see a two year old being goaded into a head banging fit of rage. This is a grown man.
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 06:57 PM
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15. Calling the victim of abuse an attention whore is sickening.
If Nicole Simpson had recorded OJ admitting that he hit her, she may have been able to get a restraining order and some degree of protection from him.
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Lil Missy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 07:52 PM
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16. FAIL
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 07:56 PM
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17. I second that FAIL.
Blame-the-victim bullshit, once again.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 10:28 PM
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29. LOL
Edited on Sat Jul-17-10 10:31 PM by Skittles
It's pretty obvious this gal has played this guy - they're both disgusting beyond belief
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 08:44 PM
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18. and for that she deserves to have her teeth knocked out
:eyes:

poor widdle Mel, like all adult males in this country, he is not responsible for his actions because an evil woman goaded him. :cry: :cry: :cry:

:eyes:

dg
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Curmudgeoness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 08:51 PM
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23. Agreed. Anyone who thinks it is HER fault is clueless. Abuse is abuse.
He was very abusive and that is not acceptable. I would have goaded him too, but if he did not act the way that he did, no goading would have caused him to talk that way.
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 08:55 PM
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24. and if he had not responded
she'd have nothing to record. DUH

Why something so simple as THAT (taking responsibility for your own actions) completely escapes those who support & condone domestic violence is mind-boggling.

dg
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 08:08 AM
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32. Deleted sub-thread
Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
jp11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 08:51 PM
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22. Um Duh, I haven't followed this as I don't really care but why else would she
have taped all these conversations if she didn't A) Expect him to hang himself, or B) Set it up so he could hang himself?

It doesn't matter as no matter how angry you make someone you can't make them say crazy racist shit if they aren't the type of person to say it in the first place.

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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 10:29 PM
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30. no shit
it's pretty fucking obvious
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 09:25 PM
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25. so are you saying this partially excuses him? For assaulting her and threatening her life?
"Not to completely forgive Mel ..."
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 09:32 PM
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26. This is one of those threads
where the OP should alert on it himself and ask the mods to delete it, because it's such an embarrassment.

"Not to completely forgive Mel,"

Gotta love when people only partially forgive racist homophobic antisemitic misogynistic abusers because they don't like the tone the victim took.
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handmade34 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 09:39 PM
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27. never... any excuses
two immature people, but never any excuse for abuse
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-17-10 10:28 PM
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28. she is as disgusting as he is
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 08:13 AM
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33. Anyone who speaks to the mother of his child that way and knocks out her teeth
is a piece of shit. "Goading" or not, his behavior is inexcusable. And anyone who tries to put the blame on her is a total fuck.

Do you know any women who've been abused? How many times has he treated her that way "ungoaded" that were not taped. Likely many. I wish that I had taped my ex. He spoke to me a LOT like Mel did on those tapes. Daily. For ten fucking years. And nobody NOBODY who's not been in that situation can know what it's like to be treated that way by someone they love; someone who claims to love them.

Fuck the "goading". She didn't make him do what he did. Stop. Just stop.
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PeaceNikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 08:13 AM
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34. .
Edited on Sun Jul-18-10 08:13 AM by PeaceNikki
double post
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 08:15 AM
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35. So this macho man couldn't cope with her words? "Begone, or I shall taunt you again!"
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Seneca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 09:10 AM
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36. Fucking amazing
There is NO EXCUSE UNDER THIS SUN (OR ANY OTHER) for his RACIST, SEXIST, VIOLENT, MISOGYNIST, RABIDLY TWISTED TIRADES. Get it? She can have all the ulterior motives you wish to ascribe to her, all the deceit and trickery you imagine her having, and it DOES NOT EXCUSE WHAT HE SAID OR DID. A rational person would have done what the rest of us do - get a lawyer and fight it out in court. Or just leave her. Or ANYTHING but be a HATEFUL, ABUSIVE PIECE OF SHIT.
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lightningandsnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 09:59 AM
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37. This is a bad post and you should feel bad.
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Beaverhausen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 11:27 AM
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38. None of us can really know what went on inside their relationship
When relationships go bad, they can get very ugly, as I'm sure most of us know. It's just that not all of us tape our phone conversations.

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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 11:40 AM
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40. Oh...so she "made him hit her." She...provocked him. Is that it?
Yeah...some women deserve to be smacked around when they don't smile while giving men the blowjobs they deserve.

:eyes:

uh-oh. I'm getting uppitty.

I need a man with a strong hand to put me in my place again.
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Chan790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 01:00 PM
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44. As a multi-ethnic person...
I'm offended by your use of the word "uppity" which everybody knows is a euphemism for "ethnic minority that doesn't know their place."

Even if you were trying to make a point, its' use is inappropriate.
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 01:14 PM
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46. It's been used against women forever. I have every right to use it. nt
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-10 10:24 AM
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52. No, "uppity" almost always is applied to WOMEN.
Uppity bitch doesn't know her PLACE. :eyes:

Come on.....
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Chan790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-10 08:27 PM
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56. ...
Edited on Mon Jul-19-10 08:36 PM by Chan790
You know what...not an argument worth having.

She can be "uppity" if she wants. I don't give a flying rat's ass.
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Bunny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-10 11:05 AM
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53. Lame.
Really lame.
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cherish44 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 11:52 AM
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42. She could have been...
The guy has obvious anger management issues and apparently can't handle his drink and seems like an overall racist, sexist pig. But that's HIS character flaw not hers...I'm totally Team Oksana in this issue (I mean he all but admitted to hitting her on the tape. Unless he was fighting her off because she was attacking him, there's NO excuse for that, I don't care how awful she is)
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 01:04 PM
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45. Actually he did admit it.
O: "You were hitting a woman with a child in her hands. You! What kind of a man is that, hitting a woman when she's holding a child in her hands? Breaking her teeth, twice, in the face. What kind of man is that?"

MG: "Oooh, you're all angry now! You know what, you fucking deserved it."
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 06:34 PM
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47. Blaming the Victim = FAIL.
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-18-10 08:56 PM
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48. Yup. She's looking more and more creepy. He's still a no good punk. I say stop giving either of them
Edited on Sun Jul-18-10 08:56 PM by applegrove
any attention or money.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-10 11:48 AM
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54. A female DUer trapped in the situation most of us supsect here...
...would be advised to record the abuser.

I question the motives of anyone buying into Gibson's "gold digger" meme.
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NewJeffCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-19-10 12:44 PM
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55. Sorry, no matter how much you are goaded
there is no excuse for physical abuse/violence. While I can certainly understand wanting to punch somebody out or kick somebody's ass, crossing the line is not acceptable.
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