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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 05:19 PM
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Poll question: How would you deal with it, if accused of something you didn't do, at work?

Sorry, polls are turned off at Level 3.

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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 05:34 PM
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1. Depends. Does it involve an offense against the employer,
like stealing boxes of pens or trashing the storage room? If so, you have no choice but to stand up for yourself

On the other hand, if it involves an off-site leisure-time activity, like dropping 500 mikes of orange sunshine before having group sex with thirty people, ambiguity rules: try to smile in a vague but knowing way, roll your eyes with a bit of misty unfocus, and show no interest whatsoever in continuing the conversation
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 06:01 PM
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3. Good answer. (nt)
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 06:23 PM
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8.  On the other hand, if it involves...
:wow:

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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 07:09 PM
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16. Hey. I don't know what other people have been accused of.
:D
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 05:43 PM
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2. You pose that as though it were a hypothetical.
:eyes:
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 06:02 PM
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4. You pose your answer as though it might be sarcasm.
:eyes:
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 06:10 PM
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5. It is -- on my part.
I'm not casting asparagus on your situation, merely pointing out that this has, in fact, happened to me.
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 06:25 PM
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9. Oh, I'm sorry
I'm a little on edge right now.
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cwydro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 06:27 PM
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11. I haven't answered in the poll yet.
Because I'm still not sure what to do in the real life situation.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 06:19 PM
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6. I have been and fighting back was good in the long run
Edited on Tue Jun-22-10 06:20 PM by lunatica
I lost the job there which I knew I was going to do but I decided to save my reputation and future job prospects. I wrote a formal letter to my manager (the one firing me in cahoots with the hr manager) in which I politely but emphatically defended my case and asked her to be fair. When they had me come to the office to fire me I didn't want the lying trash evaluation they had written (all fucking lies to make me look as bad as possible) I told them these exact words,

"Since you have decided to trash my reputation in the hopes this University will not ever hire me in another department I'm sure you'll understand when I write a letter to the Chancellor trashing your reputation." and I left the office. They ran after me and told me they would take the evaluation out of my file. I said, "I want that in writing" and they rushed to type up a letter.

Defending myself saved my reputation and kept my file from being defiled, so to speak. And I've been working at the University since.
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 06:26 PM
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10. I admire you for doing that. (nt)
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raccoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 08:15 AM
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30. Good for you! nt
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cwydro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 06:20 PM
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7. Funny you should post this just now...
I am dealing with an odd situation at work myself.

Haven't decided how to handle it.
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 06:27 PM
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12. When you decide, please let me know...
just out of curiosity, of course.

The airline biz... it can be brutal, can't it?
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cwydro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 06:39 PM
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15. Yeah, and looking into employee rights...
I have learned that transportation companies are exempt from some rules we take for granted in other careers.

Only heard this word of mouth right now, but I guess I need to do some research.
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BlueCollar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 06:35 PM
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13. Stand up to them and fight it,
Edited on Tue Jun-22-10 06:36 PM by BlueCollar
I'd frame my defense carefully and make sure that the defense contained a lot of offense if you understand what I mean.

edit for spelling
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 06:36 PM
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14. Thanks for your advice. (nt)
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BlueCollar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 12:55 AM
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24. I've been around the block a time or two in this biz...
Let me know if I can help.
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 09:14 PM
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42. Yep..put management on the defense
There was a co worker who turned to passive-aggressive physical contact with me a few weeks ago. We had had words the day before and management didn't totally side with her so she was pissed at me the next day..
I took the physical thing to management and told them firmly "this work place bullying is going to stop or I will be forced to go to Human Resources..I WANT this to be resolved on our level, but if it is NOT, I'm going to HR about the bullying". My boss had this taken aback look cuz I am not usually that firm/assertive.
They like to label bullying/aggressive word-physical contact as "communication problems" and sweep it all under the rug.
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Minimus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 07:21 PM
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17. I would stand up for myself and then quit...
I would not want to continue working for a company that wrongly accused me of something that I did not do. I would confront the accuser to set the record straight and I would put everything in writing.

I know quitting is not always an option for some... especially with high unemployment, but lucky for me I have a supportive family so I would submit my resignation with the offer to work a two week notice.
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cwydro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 07:16 AM
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28. This is what I'm leaning toward in my situation. nt
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Minimus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 08:32 AM
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31. Sorry to hear it may come to you having to actually quit.
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cwydro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 09:15 AM
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33. Me too, because I actually enjoy the job itself immensely.
I also enjoy the flight bennies lol, but I've got enough friends in the industry I can always get a buddy pass.

But thanks. ;-)
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Minimus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 01:11 PM
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34. Friends with bennies...
always good to have.
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Lil Missy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 07:26 PM
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18. Accused by whom? Accused of what? Personal or Professional?
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Arctic Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 07:29 PM
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19. Other: Hollow points.
Oh look, the post man is here.

:evilgrin:
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Chan790 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 08:10 PM
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20. It really depends on what I'm being accused of...
I mean I work in a bank, there are degrees of accusation. Being accused of failing to clean the ATM vestibule is a bit less serious than being accused of leering at the 15 year old girls coming in to do their banking in bikini-tops and rather less serious than being accused of stealing $10,000. I wouldn't bother denying the first one (it's not even punishable), I frequently deny the second one (It's fireable) and I don't even respond or give a statement/my-side/my-recounting-of-events on the third one until I confer with a lawyer. (because it's criminal and working there I've signed away certain rights.)
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HipChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 08:12 PM
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21. It depends....I took my case to HR

but they look out for corporate interests or senior management...I had another job offer waiting..HR relations were not helpful for the employee
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-22-10 11:49 PM
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22. Other
I'd take a dump in the accuser's lunchbox. :evilgrin:
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JustABozoOnThisBus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 04:37 AM
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27. Have you been talking to my cat?
The cat thinks taking a dump is a first amendment right.

:hi:
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 12:01 AM
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23. I'm always accused of not doing things at work.
Actually, they are usually right about it, too.
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 01:17 AM
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25.  I wish I could say I would fight it, but when it happened, I could not
I was fired for not opening our section on time - even though I was not the person in charge of the section and did not have the keys so even if I got there before the person in charge did, I could not open it. There had been no indication that there was a problem - I had been there on time, ready to work when the person in charge arrived - they were not fired, but I was.

It made no sense and still does not. But it was like getting hit by an axe. I was completely stunned and simply left without a word. I still don't know how I could have fought it - the charges they used to fire me were so baseless, there was no way to fight.
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MajorChode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 03:40 AM
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26. I would do what they accused me of doing
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 07:34 AM
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29. Answers #1 and #4 are the same answer in my book.
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datasuspect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 08:33 AM
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32. i would remind them how much revenue i generate for the company
Edited on Wed Jun-23-10 08:34 AM by datasuspect
and ask them if i really need to be included in that conversation, because i have other, more pressing shit to do.
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foxfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 01:44 PM
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35. I got myself a no-shrinking-violet attorney
who is an expert in employment law. I ended up with a settlement, the details of which I am constrained from discussing. The employer paid my attorney fees.

Stand up for yourself, if feasible, and do so aggressively. For me, this was essential to my sense of self-respect. I wish you the best outcome.
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foxfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 03:29 PM
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36. Sorry-- intended previous post for OP.
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Nikia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 08:33 PM
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37. I was involved in a rather traumatic situation a couple of years ago
I started to deny the accusations but was so upset that nothing came out right. I was written up. I wanted to quit, but had just gotten pregnant so it wasn't a good time.
As far as other things, the president of our company regularly accuses people of doing things poorly or wrongly. It depends what I'm being accused of and whether I can easily prove that I was not responsible for the said situation. In most cases, these situations have no lasting consequences.
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 11:30 PM
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38. I stuck up for myself, and continued to do so until management transferred me to another branch.
I was working for a credit union at the time. My supervisor, who was just about my age, was an enormously insecure young woman. Everything I said to her, she took as disrespect, and was always accusing me of that to her superiors. I told her, and her superiors, that it was not disrespect at all, but just the difference between the way men and women communicate. She took this very defense as yet another instance of disrespect.

This went on for almost a year. Management knew I wasn't guilty of any wrongdoing, which is why they didn't fire me. but they eventually got tired of all the closed-door office meetings the supervisor was calling, and transferred me. I was later told that it was "just to get her to shut UP, already!"

Someone else told me soon after that this supervisor had done this sort of thing before; picking someone out for, I don't know if harassment is the right word, but for something, anyway; and trying to get them fired, or to quit, or to I don't know what-all...

People like that can be naaaaaaaaasty!
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-23-10 11:35 PM
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39. Homicide
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 09:04 PM
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40. There's a Facebook page "I may look calm...
but in my head, I've killed you 3 times"
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 09:08 PM
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41. didn't you ask this before? i lost everything, get a lawyer NOW
Edited on Thu Jun-24-10 09:12 PM by pitohui
i actually did Get a Lawyer Now but i still lost everything

most of the time if you're accused of something you didn't do it's because some rich well-connected person did do and you're fucked, you're the fall guy, you WILL lose your life

i have never worked in a job again, i can't get hired, unless you have what it takes to live the next 50 years on the hustle, GET A LAWYER BECAUSE YOU ARE FUCKED -- at least with our legal system as it is, you're UNLIKELY to go to jail for something you didn't do if you are white (i hope you are white) but you won't work again, no one will hire you

once you are accused of something, if you DIDN'T do it, you didn't have any fall back plan or alibi because you had no way of knowing you needed such...your life is pretty much over or at least your life as civilian is over

didn't i say this already?

you are never accused of something you didn't do at random, it's a set-up, and you are very likely fucked unless you can get everything going for you perfectly

you are free to PM me if you like, i don't really know what else to say

for the most part, you are picked as fall guy because you are vulnerable...if you have a family behind you that has means/influence that's your best out, otherwise, get a lawyer but it's pretty easy to take away a person's education, work experience, etc. on a false accusation if you're not of the right class/background
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cherish44 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 09:17 PM
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43. I've never been accused of something but I get blamed for screw ups that weren't my fault a lot
I just take the high road, tell my version of the story and then drop it. Usually the truth comes out and the person pointing the finger at me looks like a jerk.
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 09:29 PM
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44. Stand up to it but document, document, email, email
My boss, I noticed, tends to conveniently not OPEN any emails that she knows is confronting her with conflict between employees. She did that to me last week, so I RE-emailed her the letter with a "I'm not sure this got sent when I tried to send it so you probably didn't get it" with a generic subject head so she just opens it without thinking. She opens it, she owns it. We can track if someone has opened/deleted/forwarded an email we send to them.

Another time, I forwarded her an ongoing email conversation that had middle management blowing me off about an ongoing problem that no one except me wanted to fix..the tone in their email showed that.
My defense: yes, I sent it to her, but seeing as how I could not get the problem resolved with middle management at all, I sent her our loop of emails because it was easier than me doing a "she said, then I said, and then this other person said...". F that. I just forwarded her the email conversation loops. The people with the "blow her off" email tone were not happy.

Oh, and if you can..send your home email a blind cc..that way, if you get let go and can't get access to email conversations you need as evidence or the company refuses to hand them over if a legal case develops, you still have copies of ongoing emails between you and whoever is giving you a hard time.



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mwdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-24-10 09:36 PM
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45. Stand up for yourself, but document everything.
My daughter is going through this right now at the Fed. Reserve. She's been sighted as the scapegoat for some shady dealings, and is being set up. She is documenting everything. It's making her life miserable, her husband is still at home with my grandson, working on his master's, and I'm trying to convince her to come out here. Dallas has a Fed office here, too.
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-25-10 10:37 AM
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46. Locking
By OP's request
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