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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 02:14 PM
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The face of DUI, a repeat offender
http://www.krld.com/Argyle-Mom--Daughter-Killed-in-DWI-...

Posted: Monday, 05 April 2010 1:36AM

Argyle Mom, Daughter Killed in High Speed Crash; Repeat Drunk Driver Arrested

Easter Sunday turned into a morning of tragedy for a Denton County family whose car was smashed by a repeat drunk-driver. Argyle resident Kandace Hull was killed at the scene. Her 13-year-old daughter died a few hours later at Parkland. Hull's husband and the couple's other two children, ages 12 and 16, are still in the hospital. It all started in Lewisville around 2 a.m. Sunday morning. Hull and her family were heading north on I-35, apparently heading home to Argyle, when their car was rear-ended by a speeding car driven by John Barton, a Lewisville man with multiple drunk-driving arrests on his record. Witnesses say Barton was going extremely fast when he slammed into the back of Hull's car, sending it into a deadly tail-spin. Barton wasn't even hurt. Police immediately arrested him on intoxicated assault charges with the two deaths, and because of his lengthy record, the charges will now be murder. Public records show this is at least the fourth time Barton has been arrested for an incident connected with drunken driving. He has served jail time for at least one of those occasions and was free on parole at the time of Sunday's deaths.

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John Barton. Not a scrape or scratch on him. Doctors worked on the 13-year old girl for 8 hours before pronouncing her dead.

http://www.krld.com/Argyle-Mom--Daughter-Killed-in-DWI-...


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MicaelS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 03:59 PM
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1. What a piece of human garbage....
Why was this piece of filth even out on the the streets? :puke: :nuke:
John Barton, a Lewisville man with multiple drunk-driving arrests on his record.

Well, since we elect Judges in Texas, it's time to find out which ones let this POS out, and vote them out. :mad:
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 04:55 PM
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2. It's a story repeated, over & over
Edited on Mon Apr-05-10 04:56 PM by Haole Girl
It takes killing a person, or people...

I guess this time he will get at least 20 years. As young as he is, even if he's given a life sentence, he could get out and do it again. I could see it happen. :-(
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 05:00 PM
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3. The drunk almost always escapes serious injury.
That's not by accident, either. I think I remember hearing that the drunk person doesn't tense up during the crash, and that's what saves them.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 05:08 PM
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4. Someone explain to me why a DUI convictino shouldn't result in a permanent loss of license.
What a horrific story. I hope that this asshole spends the rest of his life in a cell.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 05:12 PM
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5. All drunk drivers should be tried for attempted murder.
First offense should be last offense - take their license, try 'em for attempted murder. And if they actually did kill someone, put 'em away forever for actual murder and give all their assets to the family of the person they killed.

It's time we stop tolerating this barbaric, inhuman, evil activity.

And let's do the same with people cell phoning (whether talking or texting) while driving, too.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 05:14 PM
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6. +1
Hell, plus +1,000,000

I'm actually lucky enough not to have known anyone killed by a drunk driver, and this stupid crime still outrages me.
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 05:31 PM
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7. I've known two people personally killed by drunk drivers...
Edited on Mon Apr-05-10 05:56 PM by Haole Girl
Both were killed on two different New Year's Eves. One, the father of 5, had to be identified by his dental records. The other was our neighbor, who lived across the street, who was only 18. The families left behind were destroyed.

edit: The daughter of Candy Lightner (founder of MADD), killed by a drunk driver, was my youngest sister's classmate, too. :-( I didn't know her personally, but my youngest sister did.
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MajorChode Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 05:43 PM
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8. There's a few reasons why this won't happen anytime soon
But what it all boils down to is most people don't have the analytical skills necessary to realize driving is the most dangerous activity that the vast majority of the population will ever do on a regular basis. So rather than do the most intelligent thing which is to take prudent steps to mitigate that risk and make the activity safer, they do the exact opposite vis-a-vis not wearing seatbelts, talking on the phone, texting, drinking(or drug use), speeding, running stop signs/red lights, tailgating, or other various unsafe and unwise driving habits. While half the drivers on the road are worse than average, the vast majority believe they are excellent drivers and they can get away with stupid driving habits. That is, of course, until they don't get away with them, and even then many don't learn from their fuckups.

Also too many believe people have an inalienable right to drive regardless of how many times they fuck up, so we don't have state legislatures that will pass laws to put people under the jail if they have a 2nd or subsequent drunk driving offense, and then forcibly remove their ability to get back behind the wheel.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 05:58 PM
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10. I think you're totally right.
We'll put some poor chap in jail for ten years or more because he had a joint, but a dude drives drunk? Hell, we'll let him do that seven or eight times before we think maybe he should lose his driving privileges, and we'll be all "Oh My God, we can't take his license, how will he get to work?!"

And I say, "You mean, so he can work to earn the money to pay the taxes to pay for the $40K a year you're so willing to pay to keep a Grateful Dead fan in jail for the rest of his life while you piss and moan about how unfair we are to guys who just want to go out at night and blow of some steam and then drive home?"

Fuck that.

You're totally right. Our country's priorities are totally fucked up in so many ways.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 05:46 PM
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9. Cheney and Bush* would both be behind bars
that alone gives your proposal considerable merit.
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av8rdave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 06:41 PM
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11. Unfortunately, they wouldn't...
They both belong to that class of society that doesn't have to face consequences. I give you the 8 years of their administration as an example.
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blueamy66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 06:44 PM
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12. And take away the licenses
of all of those that drive while taking prescription drugs....hell, even some over the counter drugs.
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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 06:46 PM
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14. Excuse me?
Edited on Mon Apr-05-10 06:47 PM by hippywife
I take prescription pain killers and have to drive. I don't abuse my pain killers and can operate my vehicle just fine taking them because they are busy killing my pain and not buzzing up my head.

I think what you are asking is too broad to be appropriate. There are other prescriptions that are not narcotic pain killers, such as some blood pressure meds, that are labeled to use caution while operating a vehicle or machinery.
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blueamy66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 08:24 PM
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22. Well, you are DUI.
Edited on Mon Apr-05-10 08:25 PM by blueamy66
Sorry, but that is the truth.

Anything that has a blurb on it to "use caution while operating a vehicle or machinery" will get you a DUI. Some over the counter allergy/cold/cough medicines can get you a DUI.

You didn't know this? Really?

How oftern do you actually drive under the influence?
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 07:03 PM
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15. Ha ha ha ha! That's fucking hilarious!
Wait, no it isn't. It's just fucking repulsively stupid.
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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 07:13 PM
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16. No fucking shit!
Seeing a lot of freeper mentality in this thread. It's not bad enough that a few make things bad for the rest of us, but let's just set out to punish everyone. :eyes:
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 08:15 PM
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20. Are you calling it "freeper mentality" to want a repeat offender to get jail time?
Not I.
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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 08:27 PM
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24. No.
I'm saying that people commenting about wanting to toss people away right off that bat rather than getting them treatment before it gets this tragically far are using that mentality. And the whole idea of taking away someone's license just for driving while taking prescription medication is absurd.

I think people are just reacting to the horror of the story without thinking about how it didn't have to be that way if alcoholism were properly treated and addressed.
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blueamy66 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 08:25 PM
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23. Um, you're the stupid one.
Read up on the laws bucko and then get back to me.
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Flaxbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 07:36 PM
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18. You are joking, right?
Right?

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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 08:03 PM
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19. No - anyone getting behind the wheel who is impaired is willing to commit murder.
There is no such thing as an "accidental" drunk driving accident.

The drunk driver has intentionally decided not to give a shit if there's an accident, and thus, when it happens, it's not an accident. It's an intentional. Even if not willingly pre-planned, the lack of ethics to say "Wow, I might cause an accident!" is, for all intents and purposes, and intentional, malicious, emotion-less, calculated plan to kill a random innocent, no different than a serial killer, except that the serial killer at least has the integrity to intentionally choose their victims and the integrity to actually decide to do the kill, instead of the drunk driver, who just says "I don't care if I kill, and I'm not gonna bother to look my victim in the eye, either."

Fuck 'em.

Hell, as opposed to the death penalty as I am, I'd be willing to use it against drunk drivers. People that unethical don't deserve to live.
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hippywife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 06:45 PM
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13. How about getting these DUIers
some treatment the first time around instead of just jail time, folks? Everyone is usually all for that when it's a drug offense, which is no more or less serious.
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Flaxbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 07:34 PM
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17. my uncle was the drunk driver who died; those he hit lived

and were not seriously injured, amazingly enough.

This was well over 30 years ago. My uncle was a nice man who never intended to hurt anyone (and thankfully didn't). Intent is a huge part of a criminal act.

He was a sick man who couldn't find the willpower to not drink. How do we help people with this problem? Take otherwise productive, kind people and throw them away forever? There has to be a better answer, but I certainly don't know what it is.
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Aristus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 08:19 PM
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21. I don't have the words...
:-(
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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-05-10 08:29 PM
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25. The OP has asked that we lock this thread.
We are honoring her request.

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