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UndertheOcean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 10:37 AM
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Poll question: Who do you think deserves the title of "Greatest Composer in all History"
Edited on Thu Mar-04-10 10:37 AM by UndertheOcean
If who think some other composer like : Handel or Haydn or Schumann or an obscure one like Meyerbeer deserve the title more just say so ...I will not waste a poll space for an "other" option.
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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 10:40 AM
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1. Aaahhhh...BACH.
Sorry.

But it was one of the greatest M*A*S*H* episodes EVER.

:eyes:
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fishwax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 01:01 AM
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8. I consider that horse-and-buggy thinking
:rofl:
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geardaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 04:59 PM
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23. lol
:thumbsup:
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geardaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 05:06 PM
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27. "I'm partial to the Fugue"
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Steerpike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 10:44 AM
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2. ha!!!
Edited on Thu Mar-04-10 10:48 AM by Steerpike
Kenneth Joseph Alford OR HIS REAL NAME Major Fredrick Joseph Ricketts!!!

Army of the Nile!!!

Colonel Bogey!!!!

The Standard of St. George!!!

I'm the Uber Band Geek...tremble at my beauty and through my power I will inspire FEAR!

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Biker13 Donating Member (609 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 05:43 PM
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3. Beethoven
Bach is too mathematical for me. Beethoven's Pastoral Symphony (#6) always lightens my mood! I adore it!
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 05:49 PM
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4. Lemmy
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 06:19 PM
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5. Bach
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 06:26 PM
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6. The Brothers Gershwin
They do it for me.
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yellowdogintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-10 01:46 AM
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41. I can't even begin to imagine George's body of work if he had lived as long as Ira
His 'big works' just blow me away.
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Burma Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-04-10 06:26 PM
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7. Reminds me of this old Music Joke
Two tourists are in Vienna visiting Beethoven's tomb, they hear scratching inside and quickly go to the Cemetery Manager who is shocked to hear this scratching from inside Beethoven's tomb. He then pries the tomb open where Beethoven is sitting on his coffin furiously erasing scores. The Master then looks up and says, loudly, "please leave me alone, I'm decomposing."
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bluesbassman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 01:05 AM
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9. Frank Zappa.
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-10 12:52 AM
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39. +1
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 01:08 AM
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10. Beethoven easily
It's almost like his works take on lives of their own.
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Flaxbee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 01:25 AM
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11. I love Bach and Beethoven
Edited on Fri Mar-05-10 01:27 AM by Flaxbee
Jeez, I can't even remember what I did two hours ago, much less do what Bach could do:

Bach remains the all-time master of the fugue, a form which is so difficult to write that even Mozart and Beethoven, both of whom wrote fugal masterpieces, hated writing them. Bach, however, improvised fugues for 2 hours at a stretch, and then wrote them down from memory afterward.


OH MY GOD - That a mind like this existed just astounds me:

Whereas, most composers did not typically relish complexity, Bach was at home in it. The Sanctus from his b minor Mass is a 6-part chorus, including a 4-voiced fugue. In the annals of fugal composition, no composer as ever attempted what Bach accomplished, and he did so without difficulty: his monumental Art of Fugue, which is a thorough examination of all the methods by which fugues are written. Using one theme, Bach explains in music all the possibilities of contrapuntal composition inherent in a single musical subject: the fugue, the double fugue, the triple fugue, the quadruple fugue, the stretto fugue, the mirror fugue, canonizing the fugues, etc. If you were to turn the scores of the two mirror fugues upside down and play them, they would sound the same.
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cemaphonic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 05:03 PM
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26. Yeah, and he made them sound good too.
That sort of structural complexity was in vogue during the mid-20th century too (Webern, Boulez, Babbit, etc.) but those guys didn't care about such trivialities like "would people like to listen to this?"

Bach and Machaut are the kings of making really complicated music that is enjoyable to listen to.
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 01:45 AM
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12. Beethoven's music touches my soul and stirs my emotions.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 02:56 AM
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13. John Williams
:D
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 08:21 AM
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14. Erik Satie. My favorite, anyway, and I know that speaks volumes to classical music lovers
everywhere.
(We had a pianist playing the Gymnopedies at our wedding reception...she had never heard of them-or him- before, bought her own music, and took her some time to figure it out. She did a fine job.)


mark
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 10:07 AM
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15. Bach
Edited on Fri Mar-05-10 10:09 AM by MilesColtrane
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 10:16 AM
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16. Mozart is the only one on the list who is a genuine genius.
Edited on Fri Mar-05-10 10:19 AM by Deep13
Well, maybe Bach, too.

Beethoven was brilliant as were most of the others. A genius, however, is a qualitative leap beyond mere high intelligence and competence. The complexity of and volume of Mozart's work is simply astonishing. Before he died at age (IIRC) 33, Mozart composed 41 symphonies alone. I can't even remember how many concertos, quartets, quintets and full-blown opera's he's written. Compare that to my personal favorite, Beethoven, who wrote one opera, nine symphonies and five piano concertos and that was with 20 more years of living than Mozart. Beethoven was great, but he had to earn his greatness. It came naturally to Mozart. He often worked without notes and rarely made rough drafts or corrections.
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cemaphonic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 04:58 PM
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22. Geez, kinda high standards for genius there.
I know what you mean though. Even though there are other composers I like better, it's hard to argue that Mozart seemed to have a natural talent that has never really been seen before or since. (Although the notion that he didn't rework his original drafts is a bit of a myth)

I just got a laugh at the idea that Bach might - just maybe - qualify as a musical genius.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 05:57 PM
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33. As you say, a high standard.
Stephen Hawkings--very, very smart.

Einstein--genius.
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MiddleFingerMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 10:22 AM
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17. Easy.
.
These two may be the greatest composters in all history.
.

.
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Dr. Strange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 10:27 AM
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18. Are those the guys from Air Supply?
I think you might be right.
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BlueJazz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 11:09 AM
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19. I'm partial to Sergei Rachmaninoff.
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BeachBaby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 05:07 PM
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28. +1.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 11:13 AM
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20. Tchaikovsky. No contest. The Beatles of classical. nt
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RagAss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 11:29 AM
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21. Donald Fagan
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geardaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 05:00 PM
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24. I like
oh and...

:popcorn:
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geardaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 05:01 PM
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25. What?
Edited on Fri Mar-05-10 05:02 PM by geardaddy
No Tellemann?
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 05:25 PM
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29. That's quite the white list. (nt)
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 05:55 PM
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32. Interesting. You note that they are all white, but not that they are all men.
I'm not being critical. I'm just wondering. What made you notice (or at least write) the one but not the other.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 06:25 PM
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34. Subject's are too small to complain about color, gender, location, age, class, etc in one line. nt
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 05:33 PM
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30. either mozart or zappa.
:shrug:
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joeybee12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 05:54 PM
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31. Beethoven or Mozart on top, then Bach...
...can't decide on who is #1 between those 2, though.
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 07:01 PM
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35. I voted for Bach as the greatest, but my heart belongs to Mozart.
:loveya: Wolfie baby.
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nytemare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 07:28 PM
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36. I voted Mozart, but Debussy is my favorite.
I loves me some Debussy music, but I really couldn't say he is the "greatest".
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foxfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 08:45 PM
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37. What? No Salieri?
His zombie corpse is coming after your ass.

(Mine, too, because I voted for Mozart.)
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cemaphonic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-10 09:29 PM
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38. The Mozart-Salieri feud is mostly fiction.
Now Salieri and Beethoven OTOH - they hated each other.
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-10 01:19 AM
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40. I'm convinced Mozart was an avatar.
A perfect being who came to earth to write music.

Not that he was perfect in his behavior, as in acting like a saint, but the guy who just was not like anyone else when it came to quality AND quantity.

Beethoven is too vertical, not enough melody, too heavy, like Wagner (grr) and R. Strauss (double grrr).


And by the way, because I love operas with the exception of R. Strauss and some Wagner, I will tell you what the best opera ever written is:

DON GIOVANNI.

Behind that you can put Marriage of Figaro, The Magic Flute, and the hits of Puccini (who never wrote anything for mezzos -- booohoo!!!).

I think Schubert was really high up there -- he died at the age of 31 and his Trout Quintet and the String Quintet in C major, his last work, was very deep stuff. I have a recording of it with Rostropovich as the "Fifth Wheel". He wrote over 900 works, symphonies, chamber music, oratorios, masses....I have forgotten what the last Deutsch number is.



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yellowdogintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-10 01:53 AM
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42. tough choices. for me dead tie between Mozart and Bach
I listen to a classical station all day and I love it all.

As a genre, Baroque is my favorite.

I love Russian composers too.

and Bizet

and DeBussy

and Mendelsohn

and LIZST OMG how could I forget him!



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tango-tee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-10 05:10 AM
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43. Wonderful choices!
What does it for me each and every time is Max Bruch's "Violinkonzert in g-moll". It will make your heart melt. I have an ancient tape here that will wear out any moment, I'm afraid.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-10 07:52 AM
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44. James Horner
Because his heart will go on and on.
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-10 09:02 AM
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45. I'm a Beethoven man myself
If nothing, but for both the 7th and 9th Symphonies
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-10 09:15 AM
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46. Bach, but my heart belongs to Beethoven, Mahler, and Richard Rodgers
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-10 09:18 AM
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47. As Ringo said: "I love Beethoven, especially his poems".
Where is the choice for "none of the above"?
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