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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 05:04 PM
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Best pre-CGI special effects sequence?
I've been thinking about this, and I don't really have an answer. The asteroid belt in The Empire Strikes Back is the first one that occurs to me, but there must be other contenders, right?

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  - Bibo  Brother Buzz   Jan-25-10 05:24 PM   #1 
  - Part of my soul is dead now.  Orrex   Jan-25-10 05:25 PM   #2 
  - My God.  MilesColtrane   Jan-25-10 08:22 PM   #21 
  - That keening, mutant, feathered-boa-wearing abomination against nature saved the world....  Brother Buzz   Jan-25-10 08:40 PM   #23 
  - I've heard that James Cameron has optioned a multi-million dollar Bibo reeboot.  MilesColtrane   Jan-25-10 09:38 PM   #29 
  - Are you quite sure that was piss?  ChickMagic   Jan-28-10 02:17 PM   #102 
  - Um...I don't think that's a feather boa.  Iggo   Jan-25-10 09:32 PM   #28 
  - oops  AllenVanAllen   Jan-26-10 04:38 AM   #49 
  - That would have broken Mike Nelson and the 'bots.  krispos42   Jan-27-10 01:40 AM   #82 
  - My innocence is gone.  ChickMagic   Jan-28-10 01:20 PM   #98 
  - hahahahaha. I go drink now.  kaiden   Jan-25-10 05:26 PM   #3 
  - Parting of the Red Sea.  Common Sense Party   Jan-25-10 05:28 PM   #4 
  - Yes--that's an excellent one!  Orrex   Jan-25-10 05:29 PM   #5 
     - That's true. I wonder how they did that one.  Common Sense Party   Jan-25-10 05:35 PM   #7 
     - It was just stock footage of a real tornado.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Jan-25-10 06:43 PM   #9 
     - And the melting witch effect was just stock footage of a real melting witch  Orrex   Jan-25-10 06:45 PM   #11 
     - Either that or just a trap door covered by her witch's robe.  HiFructosePronSyrup   Jan-25-10 06:48 PM   #12 
        - Bah! Spare me your delusional fantasies!  Orrex   Jan-25-10 06:50 PM   #14 
     - It wasn't stock footage  Auggie   Jan-25-10 08:15 PM   #19 
     - Great info! Thanks for the link. n/t  Common Sense Party   Jan-25-10 10:29 PM   #35 
     - Next, you're going to tell me that they didn't really melt a witch, either  Orrex   Jan-25-10 11:27 PM   #40 
     - No, it wasn't  Love Bug   Jan-26-10 09:06 AM   #57 
        - Darn Muslins were terrorizing back then, too, making tornados and stuff.  jobycom   Jan-27-10 10:13 AM   #88 
     - Oops  Zomby Woof   Jan-26-10 12:26 AM   #44 
     - FWIW I read it was gelatin dyed blue, filmed poured down a panel and then film reversed. n/t  sarge43   Jan-26-10 09:11 AM   #59 
     - Totally! I was going to post that if you hadn't.  kayakjohnny   Jan-25-10 08:30 PM   #22 
  - 2001: A Space Odyssey.  Swede   Jan-25-10 05:35 PM   #6 
  - Good one!  Orrex   Jan-25-10 06:39 PM   #8 
  - The computer screens are subtly amazing as well  REP   Jan-25-10 06:48 PM   #13 
  - When I read about how they did the wire-frame diagnostic of the antenna module, I was amazed  Orrex   Jan-25-10 06:51 PM   #15 
     - What's really astounding is how well the fx have held up  REP   Jan-25-10 06:57 PM   #16 
  - I was surprised at the methods they used.  Starbucks Anarchist   Jan-25-10 09:16 PM   #26 
  - Brilliant special effects in that one. n/t  barb162   Jan-25-10 08:44 PM   #24 
  - This is the credited response.  Richardo   Jan-26-10 02:23 PM   #74 
     - 2001 is among my all time favorite movies  ChickMagic   Jan-28-10 01:25 PM   #99 
        - That could also be from a negative pressure inside the bag  kentauros   Jan-28-10 01:29 PM   #100 
           - You've rescued me.  ChickMagic   Jan-28-10 02:08 PM   #101 
              - lol!  kentauros   Jan-28-10 07:27 PM   #104 
  - Singing in the rain - the up the wall thing.  HopeHoops   Jan-25-10 06:43 PM   #10 
  - And Fred Astaire's wall and ceiling dance - Royal Wedding  sarge43   Jan-26-10 07:43 AM   #54 
  - Brazil (?)  REP   Jan-25-10 06:58 PM   #17 
  - The Towering Inferno  jmowreader   Jan-25-10 07:33 PM   #18 
  - Forbidden Planet, inside the great machine  kentauros   Jan-25-10 08:21 PM   #20 
  - The space ship interior wasn't shabby either. n/t  sarge43   Jan-26-10 09:38 AM   #63 
     - Yes, they had great sets all the way around.  kentauros   Jan-26-10 04:07 PM   #76 
        - Yes. The Krell power plant was amazing, too.  sarge43   Jan-26-10 06:28 PM   #79 
           - Star Trek was certainly inspired by Forbidden Planet.  kentauros   Jan-26-10 07:12 PM   #81 
              - Agree  sarge43   Jan-27-10 09:23 AM   #86 
                 - In all these movie remakes (or series rebuilds)  kentauros   Jan-27-10 07:56 PM   #90 
                    - Agree yet again.  sarge43   Jan-28-10 10:44 AM   #91 
                       - All good points and continuance ideas :)  kentauros   Jan-28-10 12:34 PM   #96 
  - 2001. All of it. nt  Captain Hilts   Jan-25-10 08:55 PM   #25 
  - I agree. It still looks pretty real.  bif   Jan-26-10 09:47 AM   #65 
  - Star Wars IV - We often forget that it was pre CGI FX  Xipe Totec   Jan-25-10 09:26 PM   #27 
  - I agree, but...  targetpractice   Jan-25-10 09:51 PM   #31 
  - True but this is just for illustration  Xipe Totec   Jan-25-10 09:58 PM   #32 
     - The original stands the test of time...  targetpractice   Jan-25-10 10:06 PM   #34 
  - Certainly a fine example, but I think that the asteroid sequence in EPV still beats it.  Orrex   Jan-25-10 11:25 PM   #38 
  - "It's a trap!"  targetpractice   Jan-25-10 09:42 PM   #30 
  - Yes indeed  Orrex   Jan-25-10 11:58 PM   #41 
  - Melies Le Voyage dans la Lune  nytemare   Jan-25-10 10:02 PM   #33 
  - The final half hour of Close Encounters.  ElboRuum   Jan-25-10 10:43 PM   #36 
  - Close Encounters Of The Third Kind and Blade Runner  edbermac   Jan-25-10 10:58 PM   #37 
  - Speeder bike chase in Return of the Jedi  pokerfan   Jan-25-10 11:25 PM   #39 
  - Ray Harryhausen's skelton fight sequence from Jason and the Argonauts  csziggy   Jan-26-10 12:04 AM   #42 
  - I thought about that while watching Army of Darkness the other night  Orrex   Jan-26-10 12:05 AM   #43 
  - +1  lost-in-nj   Jan-26-10 10:58 AM   #68 
  - Superman saving Lois, the Helicopter scene  petersond   Jan-26-10 12:27 AM   #45 
  - Chariot race, Ben Hur. n/t  sarge43   Jan-26-10 03:53 AM   #46 
  - When Galen goes to kill Vermithrax the dragon  AllenVanAllen   Jan-26-10 04:17 AM   #47 
  - IIRC, that was the first use of go-motion  Orrex   Jan-26-10 08:56 AM   #56 
     - Same here. I had no idea it wasn't "stop-motion"  AllenVanAllen   Jan-26-10 02:14 PM   #73 
  - The Norris-thing death scene  AllenVanAllen   Jan-26-10 04:31 AM   #48 
  - I was thinking of that one, too. nt  jobycom   Jan-27-10 10:19 AM   #89 
  - Both battle scenes between the Enterprise and  AllenVanAllen   Jan-26-10 04:42 AM   #50 
  - +1000  GaYellowDawg   Jan-26-10 06:00 AM   #51 
  - Yes indeed  sarge43   Jan-26-10 07:38 AM   #52 
  - I totally agree.  TZ   Jan-26-10 07:42 AM   #53 
  - That and Star Trek III.  Tommy_Carcetti   Jan-26-10 09:58 AM   #67 
  - godzilla destroying tokyo...  dysfunctional press   Jan-26-10 08:00 AM   #55 
  - Blade Runner is another.  Swede   Jan-26-10 09:09 AM   #58 
  - The original King Kong  sarge43   Jan-26-10 09:13 AM   #60 
  - The Blues Brothers  Mopar151   Jan-26-10 09:17 AM   #61 
  - No one's mentioned the big scene in Hooper - all done live and for real  Rabrrrrrr   Jan-26-10 09:28 AM   #62 
  - I wouldn't have thought of that one, but...  Orrex   Jan-26-10 11:30 AM   #70 
  - not saying it is good but, isn't Jason and The Argonauts consider  Tuesday Afternoon   Jan-26-10 09:40 AM   #64 
  - No. The guy that did that did not use computers.  Moondog   Jan-26-10 11:19 AM   #69 
  - Gorn!!!!!!!  Tommy_Carcetti   Jan-26-10 09:48 AM   #66 
  - Gotta give some love to Alien & Aliens  blogslut   Jan-26-10 12:10 PM   #71 
  - The part about Ash that still creeps me out is when he's spinning around violently  Orrex   Jan-26-10 03:02 PM   #75 
     - That casting choice was genius!  blogslut   Jan-26-10 05:06 PM   #78 
  - Parting, transit and closing of the Red Sea...  MicaelS   Jan-26-10 12:26 PM   #72 
  - Baron Munchhausen. Like a symphony for the eyeballs.  Bucky   Jan-26-10 04:53 PM   #77 
  - Excellent movie. I caught that one at the theater.  AllenVanAllen   Jan-27-10 04:29 AM   #85 
  - The War of the Worlds (1953)  lunatica   Jan-26-10 07:11 PM   #80 
  - Harryhausen- Jason and the Argonauts skeleton fight  JCMach1   Jan-27-10 01:47 AM   #83 
  - Plan 9 from outer space !  Shining Jack   Jan-27-10 04:28 AM   #84 
  - Close Encounters hands down... nt  Phoonzang   Jan-27-10 09:55 AM   #87 
  - Absolutely.....  Tikki   Jan-28-10 11:39 AM   #93 
  - It was considered special effects but anything with Bruce Lee.  JanMichael   Jan-28-10 11:09 AM   #92 
  - In "Gone With the Wind," when Scarlett O'Hara made us believe  Heidi   Jan-28-10 11:49 AM   #94 
  - No contest: 2001  Xithras   Jan-28-10 12:05 PM   #95 
  - When the planet blew up  ChickMagic   Jan-28-10 01:17 PM   #97 
  - Opening sequence of Raiders of the Lost Ark.  LanternWaste   Jan-28-10 03:20 PM   #103 
 
Brother Buzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 05:24 PM
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1. Bibo
The cool special effects sequence starts about 2:08 into the film. Enjoy.

http://www.mcphee.com/blog/?p=811
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 05:25 PM
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2. Part of my soul is dead now.
And not a small part.
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:22 PM
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21. My God.
Why doesn't one of them pull out a katana and dispatch that keening, mutant, feathered-boa-wearing abomination against nature?

That would be the very definition of a mercy killing.

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Brother Buzz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:40 PM
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23. That keening, mutant, feathered-boa-wearing abomination against nature saved the world....
by farting and pissing on a meteorite, a hairball, or something, and you want to kill it? Shame on you.

Bibo happy. Bibo sad. Bibos bodily functions. Its all there.



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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:38 PM
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29. I've heard that James Cameron has optioned a multi-million dollar Bibo reeboot.
He's negotiating with IMAX theaters to install the special Fart-O-Rama technology now.
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ChickMagic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 02:17 PM
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102. Are you quite sure that was piss?
He was, after all, remembering fiddling around with a girl -
looking up her skirt and stuff - while he was producing the
hose beast.
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Iggo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:32 PM
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28. Um...I don't think that's a feather boa.
:scared:
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AllenVanAllen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 04:38 AM
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49. oops
Edited on Tue Jan-26-10 04:42 AM by AllenVanAllen


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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 01:40 AM
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82. That would have broken Mike Nelson and the 'bots.
That would have snapped their brains like they were pretzel sticks. Thank God that was never dubbed over in English, or else Forrester would have won.


Orrex, you said it!

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ChickMagic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 01:20 PM
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98. My innocence is gone.
You are dead to me!
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kaiden Donating Member (811 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 05:26 PM
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3. hahahahaha. I go drink now.
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 05:28 PM
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4. Parting of the Red Sea.
Ten Commandments. Yeah, it looks kind of hokey now, but 60 years ago, that was amazing stuff.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 05:29 PM
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5. Yes--that's an excellent one!
For that matter, the tornado in The Wizard of Oz is pretty amazing, considering the special effects technology of the time.
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 05:35 PM
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7. That's true. I wonder how they did that one.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 06:43 PM
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9. It was just stock footage of a real tornado.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 06:45 PM
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11. And the melting witch effect was just stock footage of a real melting witch
Amazing stuff, that stock footage.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 06:48 PM
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12. Either that or just a trap door covered by her witch's robe.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 06:50 PM
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14. Bah! Spare me your delusional fantasies!
Bah!
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:15 PM
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19. It wasn't stock footage
The tornado is essentially a 35-foot tall cylinder of chicken wire, covered with black cloth and spun around by an electric motor. Other model tornadoes had been tried, including a large tube of rubber sheeting. It turned out to be too shiny.

Experimentation found that cloth of a very thin, fibrous nature would photograph well, and also allow the special effects artists to blow fine dust down through the tube. The dust passed through the fabric, creating a dirty look around the funnel of the tornado.

Additional dust was blown out the bottom of the tornado, mimicking the dirt chewed up by the storm as it roared across plowed fields.

LINK: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4179/is_2004043...
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Common Sense Party Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:29 PM
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35. Great info! Thanks for the link. n/t
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 11:27 PM
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40. Next, you're going to tell me that they didn't really melt a witch, either
Party pooper!
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Love Bug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 09:06 AM
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57. No, it wasn't
It was a tube of muslin suspended from the ceiling to a track in the floor at the back of the soundstage. As workers moved it twisting along the track, dust was blown up from below to give the appearance of dirt being stirred up on the ground.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 10:13 AM
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88. Darn Muslins were terrorizing back then, too, making tornados and stuff.
:wow:
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 12:26 AM
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44. Oops
Edited on Tue Jan-26-10 12:28 AM by Zomby Woof
Someone else amswered this. I understand that there was muslin wrapped around the wire, however.
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 09:11 AM
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59. FWIW I read it was gelatin dyed blue, filmed poured down a panel and then film reversed. n/t
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kayakjohnny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:30 PM
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22. Totally! I was going to post that if you hadn't.
It was amazing. I heard how they did it but too wordy to mention here. It was more straighforward than you might imagine. There's a documentary about the making of 'Oz' and it's explained rather well. The documentary is well worth the time.
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 05:35 PM
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6. 2001: A Space Odyssey.
One long special effect.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 06:39 PM
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8. Good one!
I've read a lot about how they did all of that, and it's amazing from the first frame to the last.

The panoramic shots in the prehistoric wilderness are among the most subtle and surprising effects in the film IMO.
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 06:48 PM
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13. The computer screens are subtly amazing as well
Considering such things didn't exist as such when the film was made, and I believe they're all some tedious hand drawn glass plate animation.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 06:51 PM
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15. When I read about how they did the wire-frame diagnostic of the antenna module, I was amazed
Considering that just a few years later they'd have been able to do it on an actual computer with 1/100 the effort!
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 06:57 PM
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16. What's really astounding is how well the fx have held up
I think 2001's special effects still look terrific; in fact, they're the primary reason it's on of my favorite movies. Later movies with more 'advanced' fx, like Tron or even Star Wars have fx that look dated, if that's the right word. Not that parts of 2001 don't; I just think the fx parts have held up very well.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:16 PM
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26. I was surprised at the methods they used.
Edited on Mon Jan-25-10 09:18 PM by Starbucks Anarchist
The "floating pen" in the space-station sequence was accomplished with a piece of transparent glass, scotch tape and two hands, apparently.

It was in the special features section of the Blu-ray, which looks amazing, by the way:

http://www.dvdbeaver.com/film2/DVDReviews33/2001_HD_Blu...
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barb162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:44 PM
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24. Brilliant special effects in that one. n/t
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 02:23 PM
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74. This is the credited response.
In addition to the timelessness of most of the fx (notepad televisions!), the science in 2001 was excrutiatingly accurate. No sounds in space, no apparent movement of Discovery against the background (stars way too distant to "move"), even the look of the PanAm shuttle was very close to what was produced.

Loves me this movie.
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ChickMagic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 01:25 PM
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99. 2001 is among my all time favorite movies
but I can never get over the straw. When the guy
drinks from it in the shuttle, the crud he's drinking
goes back down the straw. That's really the
only jarring thing to me.
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kentauros Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 01:29 PM
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100. That could also be from a negative pressure inside the bag
and not necessarily from gravity in the film studio ;)
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ChickMagic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 02:08 PM
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101. You've rescued me.
It is now perfect. I did not think of that.
I read a book about the making of 2001 and
it took 7 years of hand matting to make it work.
I still get chills when the femur gets thrown
into the sky and becomes the space station.
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kentauros Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 07:27 PM
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104. lol!
Well, then, you're welcome! :D

My other thought was "capillary action" but the straw is likely too big around for that, if size matters in such things...
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HopeHoops Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 06:43 PM
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10. Singing in the rain - the up the wall thing.
The guy in Full Monty just didn't get it right.

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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:43 AM
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54. And Fred Astaire's wall and ceiling dance - Royal Wedding
After sixty years still amazing.
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REP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 06:58 PM
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17. Brazil (?)
I don't think they're CGI, but I could be wrong.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 07:33 PM
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18. The Towering Inferno
They used no-shit FIRE in that movie.
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kentauros Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:21 PM
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20. Forbidden Planet, inside the great machine
and that includes the "electronic tonalities" by the Barron's :D
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 09:38 AM
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63. The space ship interior wasn't shabby either. n/t
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kentauros Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 04:07 PM
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76. Yes, they had great sets all the way around.
Like the Krell lab :D
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 06:28 PM
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79. Yes. The Krell power plant was amazing, too.
Someone once said it was the best of the Star Trek movies. :)
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kentauros Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:12 PM
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81. Star Trek was certainly inspired by Forbidden Planet.
I remember an interview with LeVar Burton where he talks about the similarities, like the method they use to protect everyone when going into and out of hyperspace. Also the communicators, though FP's had video capability as well as voice :)

Forbidden Planet is being remade. I may see it anyway, mainly because JMS (J. Michael Straczynski) is writing it and I've seen how he loves the movie and even used elements of the Big Machine in Babylon 5 :)

My only real problem with them remaking it is that we will probably lose the soundtrack. What the Barron's created with their "electronic tonalities" was not only groundbreaking, but almost never done again. I can't think of any movies that have anything like that truly "alien" sound to them, and would expect today's audiences to reject it utterly, unfortunately.
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 09:23 AM
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86. Agree
Edited on Wed Jan-27-10 09:28 AM by sarge43
Tonalities would be perfect id for the Krell.

Well, if you stand by Straczynski, so say we all. Decent writing is absolutely essential or it will be another horrible joke like the redo of TDTESS.

If I were asked (snork), I'd do a refit on Robby; the cute animated tomato can is passe. I'd have an organic entity(ies) developed by the Krell as servants/assistants. A few survived, but very rare now. This entity is very long lived, more intelligent than humans, has most, if not all, of Robby's abilities and programed with Azimov's Laws. However, being sentient and organic she (and why not. Companion for Altaira, "Girl, we gotta talk.") has self awareness and a survival sense. She's the perfect servant, totally loyal, but when Morbius unspools, some dramatic tension. Does she remain loyal to Morbius or, having been there, seen that, decides to cover hero's back, grab girl friend and haul before things go very ugly.

James Cromwell as Morbius?
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kentauros Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 07:56 PM
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90. In all these movie remakes (or series rebuilds)
the one thing I emphasize is good writing. And yet... look at a forum like imdb and the primary discussion on an upcoming movie rarely if ever focuses on who's writing it and the quality of the story. All anyone seems to care about is who's playing the part, as if that will make it a great remake. Some people never get it, and I'm afraid that appears to be the mindset of the majority out there.

Robby looks more like the Michelin Man to me, or the Stay-Puffed Marshmallow Man :P

The idea of organic machines as helpers makes me think more of Rendezvous with Rama than Forbidden Planet. Maybe the Krell would have invented something like that, and maybe not. Their "big machine" created anything at a mere thought. Why not an energy-only helper projected by the machine, but not controlled by the thoughts of the Krell or the humans? If its function and ability could be explained by Morbius, it would still fit as a Robby-replacement. Plus, Morbius has to have something to do with either understanding it or getting it to work again (like the machine turned it off after the Krell were all gone) as in the original where he "tinkered" Robby together ;)

Cromwell would make a good Morbius. I also thought of Max von Sydow, if he isn't too old by now...
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 10:44 AM
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91. Agree yet again.
Good writing is the foundation. Bad or lazy writing is like a lovingly decorated Easter egg, great eye candy, nothing inside, no substance.

Like that - Robby (must change the name then) as an energy entity. Re source material, Ariel is a creature of air and light as the Id monster (Caliban) is the dark side. CGI would be more than justified here.

I'd say the machines, 'Robby', Id went into Stand By mode after the Krell self destructed. With an unlimited energy source, they probably can't shut down. When Morbius and the rest showed up, their sentient consciousness activated them and they did their thing. Source material again, perhaps Morbius and 'Robby' cut a deal: I'll free you if you clue me in and do my bidding.

Any of the brace of great mature character actors with the pay attention voice and gravitas would fit.

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kentauros Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 12:34 PM
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96. All good points and continuance ideas :)
Something I read about the script for the remake by JMS: someone leaked his first script to the web, spoiling all of his ideas, surprises and work for the year it took him to create it (with a co-author, but can't remember their name.) JMS posted total berating comment for those that had not only leaked it, but also distributed it, adding that they had ruined an entire year of work and it all had to be scrapped in order to come up with something completely different (I'm guessing for the kinds of things on which we've been speculating.) He was not happy at all, and blamed this leak on the fact that release of the movie has now been pushed back a year, to 2011, instead of this year. Good for him doing that, too! :D
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 08:55 PM
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25. 2001. All of it. nt
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bif Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 09:47 AM
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65. I agree. It still looks pretty real.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:26 PM
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27. Star Wars IV - We often forget that it was pre CGI FX
STAR WARS - The DEATHSTAR BATTLE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6v5VahaEL7s
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targetpractice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:51 PM
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31. I agree, but...
The YouTube version you posted is mostly CGI from the Star Wars special edition release in 1997.
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:58 PM
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32. True but this is just for illustration
There are several versions out there now, but the original release was not CGI.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXIqfHI0hQY
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targetpractice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:06 PM
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34. The original stands the test of time...
I didn't mean to nit-pick your post... I've always thought the original sequence was perfection... especially when the timing was coupled with John William's original score... The subsequent CGI "enhancements" are cool, but the original sequence was perfectly dramatic, in my opinion.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 11:25 PM
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38. Certainly a fine example, but I think that the asteroid sequence in EPV still beats it.
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targetpractice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 09:42 PM
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30. "It's a trap!"
The battle above Endor in "Return of the Jedi" is pretty spectacular, in my opinion... I love the sense of scale and chaos in both the visuals and music...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nY0ClsW1QX4
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 11:58 PM
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41. Yes indeed
I recall watching my VHS copy to see the two little "H's" or whatever briefly on the underside of the Falcon as it swooped toward the camera.

What's really amazing IMO is how much better that sequence was than any CGI battle produced for the prequel films. I believe it was The Onion that noted that the little plastic models somehow looked a lot more real than state-of-the-art computer animation 20+ years later!
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nytemare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:02 PM
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33. Melies Le Voyage dans la Lune
Edited on Mon Jan-25-10 10:02 PM by nytemare
Just to throw in the precursor to all special effects.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxB2x9QzXb0

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ElboRuum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:43 PM
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36. The final half hour of Close Encounters.
Nuff said.
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edbermac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 10:58 PM
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37. Close Encounters Of The Third Kind and Blade Runner
Both done by FX master Douglas Trumbull who also did the Stargate scene for 2001.


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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-25-10 11:25 PM
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39. Speeder bike chase in Return of the Jedi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=goYs047SoGE

The POV shots were achieved by having a camera operator walk through the forest at normal speed with a camera filming at one frame per second.
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 12:04 AM
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42. Ray Harryhausen's skelton fight sequence from Jason and the Argonauts
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 12:05 AM
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43. I thought about that while watching Army of Darkness the other night
The hydra battle is also very good, but the skeletons take the cake!
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lost-in-nj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 10:58 AM
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68. +1
that was an awe some scene



lost
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Broken_Hero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 12:27 AM
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45. Superman saving Lois, the Helicopter scene
"You've got me, whose's got you?!?!"

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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 03:53 AM
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46. Chariot race, Ben Hur. n/t
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AllenVanAllen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 04:17 AM
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47. When Galen goes to kill Vermithrax the dragon



from Dragon Slayer. That sequence thrilled me as a kid. A realistic dragon effect done with "go-motion" puppets no less.







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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 08:56 AM
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56. IIRC, that was the first use of go-motion
When I saw it, I knew that it looked different, but I couldn't figure out exactly what was different about it!
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AllenVanAllen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 02:14 PM
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73. Same here. I had no idea it wasn't "stop-motion"
Edited on Tue Jan-26-10 02:16 PM by AllenVanAllen



The blur added in the amimation of the pupets made a world of difference and I thought it was fuckin' awesome!
Vermithrax even walks like a bat! It's funny a friend of mine pointed out Vermithrax isn't a dragon, he's actually a Wyvern.


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AllenVanAllen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 04:31 AM
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48. The Norris-thing death scene


in John Carpenter's The Thing. From the chest-mouth to the spider-head that was freakin' amazing FX.



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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 10:19 AM
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89. I was thinking of that one, too. nt
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AllenVanAllen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 04:42 AM
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50. Both battle scenes between the Enterprise and



the Reliant from Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan. Classic.




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GaYellowDawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 06:00 AM
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51. +1000
That was an incredible battle scene.
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:38 AM
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52. Yes indeed
The Big E slowly rising up behind the Reliant - suuurrrrprisssse.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:42 AM
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53. I totally agree.
Those might be the best scenes in any of the ST movies...
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Tommy_Carcetti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 09:58 AM
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67. That and Star Trek III.
With the destruction of the Enterprise.

The whole nebula scene in Star Trek II was classic. I read somewhere that it was meant to mimic a battle scene between two naval warships. I don't know how accurate lightning is in a nebula, but it sure as hell looks cool.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 08:00 AM
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55. godzilla destroying tokyo...
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 09:09 AM
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58. Blade Runner is another.
Too many scenes to pick anyone in particular.
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sarge43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 09:13 AM
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60. The original King Kong
Given the time and available technology the effects still hold up well
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Mopar151 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 09:17 AM
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61. The Blues Brothers
120 mph under the elevated! The car chase in the mall was cool, too.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 09:28 AM
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62. No one's mentioned the big scene in Hooper - all done live and for real
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLokDBOb7-U

Saw a documentary a few years ago about how incredibly well-timed this was, and impossible to get a second take because the towers and buildings are all really being blown up and falling down.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 11:30 AM
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70. I wouldn't have thought of that one, but...
I was watching a "Mighty Machines" DVD with my sons last week, in which they show the demolition of two water towers and a tall smokestack. The whole thing reminded me of that sequence in Hooper, which I hadn't thought about in years!
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 09:40 AM
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64. not saying it is good but, isn't Jason and The Argonauts consider
the first?
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Moondog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 11:19 AM
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69. No. The guy that did that did not use computers.
He used something similar to claymation - a model, moved slightly, take a frame, move it slightly, take another frame, and so on. There was a special on Harry Whats-his-name, and how he did his special effects, a while back on one of the cable channels.
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Tommy_Carcetti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 09:48 AM
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66. Gorn!!!!!!!
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 12:10 PM
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71. Gotta give some love to Alien & Aliens
Edited on Tue Jan-26-10 12:11 PM by blogslut
The face-huggers. That stomach-shooting baby. The teenagers. The Mother. The teenagers were acrobats in suits. The dead face-hugger that Ash dissected in the lab was a mix of animal organs and stuff. In fact, I'll give some love to Ash. That scene with his android head and guts still freaks me out. As well, the interior of the Nostromo - the commentary talked up how before, movie spaceships were created via the Kubrick standard - all shiny perfect. But the Nostromo was rusty, dirty and old.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 03:02 PM
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75. The part about Ash that still creeps me out is when he's spinning around violently
There's something so wonderfully inhuman about it, despite the human form!

And the fact that it's Ian Holm (who later became the quintessential mild-mannered fellow) makes it perfect!
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 05:06 PM
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78. That casting choice was genius!
Edited on Tue Jan-26-10 05:08 PM by blogslut
Holm's portrayal of Ash took full advantage of his mild-mannered style. His delivery of that line, "You have my sympathies."

~shudder~

EDIT ADD: True story. I saw the first film in the theater when it came out. In those days you could still smoke cigarettes. My girlfriend and I were sitting there, wide-eyed and slack-jawed when some hippie dude next to us passed over a joint. Only time I ever regretted getting high.
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MicaelS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 12:26 PM
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72. Parting, transit and closing of the Red Sea...
In the Ten Commandments. Plus Elmer Bernstein's score was beautiful.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 04:53 PM
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77. Baron Munchhausen. Like a symphony for the eyeballs.
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AllenVanAllen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 04:29 AM
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85. Excellent movie. I caught that one at the theater.


It's been so long since I've seen it. I should remedy that.



:hi:
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-26-10 07:11 PM
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80. The War of the Worlds (1953)
The special effects are still good.
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JCMach1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 01:47 AM
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83. Harryhausen- Jason and the Argonauts skeleton fight
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Shining Jack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 04:28 AM
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84. Plan 9 from outer space !
Astounding special effects without any CGI being used.
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Phoonzang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-27-10 09:55 AM
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87. Close Encounters hands down... nt
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Tikki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 11:39 AM
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93. Absolutely.....
Tikki
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 11:09 AM
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92. It was considered special effects but anything with Bruce Lee.
That was some bad assed shit.
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Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 11:49 AM
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94. In "Gone With the Wind," when Scarlett O'Hara made us believe
that she _didn't_ have everything under control and that she needed that low-life Cap'n Butler.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aRMZ4ePmMM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjhtxfSMIWk
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Xithras Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 12:05 PM
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95. No contest: 2001
There are a lot of good ones, but nothing matched 2001 for sheer visual spectacle. Even today, it's amazing to watch it and realize that they made it without using a single computer.
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ChickMagic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 01:17 PM
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97. When the planet blew up
in Amazon Women on the Moon. To this day, that brings tears
to my eyes. Especially the hunk of chalk left hanging.
Oh, you meant good ones. Never mind.

All of Metropolis.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-28-10 03:20 PM
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103. Opening sequence of Raiders of the Lost Ark.
Opening sequence of Raiders of the Lost Ark. Lots and lots of great set design and blocking went into that ten minute bad-boy.
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