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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 07:59 PM
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Poll question: Rodgers and Hammerstein vs Rodgers and Hart

Sorry, polls are turned off at Level 3.

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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:03 PM
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1. My dear MrScorpio!
I voted for Rogers and Hammerstein because their musicals are better known to me than Rodgers and Hart.

Although if you named some from the second pair, I'd probably know them too...

:hi:
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:08 PM
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2. There were a lot of classics either way
But you're right, the Rodgers and Hammerstein stuff was much cooler
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Graybeard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 08:34 PM
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3. I like the Rodgers and Hart songs better.
For musical shows Rodgers and Hammerstein.

For great songs Rodgers and Hart.

The Hart lyrics are sophisticated, witty and a lot less sentimental and stand on their own. Both teams were genius no doubt.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodgers_and_Hart

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodgers_and_Hammerstein

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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 09:24 PM
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4. I voted for R&H - am I WRONG?1 n/t
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 09:47 PM
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6. So long as you include Rogers, it's correct...
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 09:46 PM
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5. Hammerstein. And, I LOVE Rogers' "Victory at Sea."


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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 10:44 PM
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10. We have "Victory at Sea" on DVD...
It's amazing, and mostly for the incredible music!

:hi:
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 06:46 AM
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12. The music is great. I hope you're feeling better!
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CaliforniaPeggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 10:42 AM
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14. My dear Captain Hilts!
I love the music...

And thank you, yes, I am feeling much better...nothing like having your heart rhythm return to normal!

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Lionel Mandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 01:01 PM
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17. Victory at Sea was unique.
The music was most of the sound track. It was coordinated with the video in a way you don't see anymore.

There was very little talking, but Leonard Graves read his lines with utter conviction and a certain preachiness that is characteristic of a bygone era. In my mind's ear, I can hear him saying something like: "And now ... JUNGLE HELL" . (There was no episode with that title, but there could have been.)
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 03:16 PM
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27. Yes!! "One thing they didn't count on...THE US NAVY..." and so forth. nt
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 10:05 PM
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7. The major difference, according to Rodgers
I forget which was which, but I think Hammerstein was taller than Hart, and Rodgers was of a height between the two. When he was with Hammerstein, he often heard people say that the tall guy was okay, but watch out for that short bastard. When he was teamed with Hart, it was all right to trust the short guy, but that tall son of a bitch bore watching.
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Graybeard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 10:17 PM
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9. Yes, Hart was the short one.
So short in fact that in the 1948 film about their partnership, "Words and Music", Lorenz Hart is played by Mickey Rooney.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 10:15 PM
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8. Here's the real dilemma: R&H vs. Cole Porter! nt
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 12:41 PM
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16. an informed comment
What say you? I'm having a real hard time making a choice on this one.

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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 01:28 PM
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19. Hart's lyrics vs. Porter's lyrics? Hmm, that's a tough one.
Hart is clever but Porter is witty. Hell, both are clever and witty! Must move to the music, I guess.

Early Rodgers vs. Porter. I think I'm partial to Porter. Can't get Begin the Beguine out of my head right now.

I love all their work, but since Porter did double-duty, I'll have to say skoal to Cole.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 02:45 PM
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24. I came to that conclusion while away from computer
I decided that since Cole did words and music that he wins. A genius. So many beautiful melodies, so many touching lyrics. And so many millions of hearts moved by it all. Think of "So in love with you am I" ----- wow!

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Lionel Mandrake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 01:28 PM
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20. "Love for Sale"
A Cole Porter song that became a jazz standard. Great tune. Great lyrics.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 02:17 PM
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23. Yep, that's a great one. Laziest Gal in Town and Why Can't You Behave come to mind, too. nt
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 03:22 PM
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32. "I'd give up drinking coffee for Sanka,
even Sanka, Bianca, for you!"

gotta love a guy that could write THAT line...
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 01:56 PM
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22. No dilemma to me. I've got Ella Fitzgerald singing both!
As to Rodgers and Hart v. Rodgers and Hammerstein, I think it is a matter of preference. Hart was for the typical New Yorker audience, not the out of towner. Hammerstein moved into the broader, popular appeal. Hart had a more New York "edge." Hammerstein was more "Americanized", e.g. the rest of the country. Also, Hart wrote in a different decade with a different feel. Audiences liked their "Oklahoma!", "South Pacific," and "Carousel" postwar and they were easily made into popular movies. A few of Hart's were made, of course, but look what happened to the naughtiness of Pal Joey once it got made into a movie?

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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 02:46 PM
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25. I bought Ella sings Cole Porter decades ago.
It is perfectly crafted, and in the era prior to digitalized tinkering. I wore out the LP.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 03:19 PM
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30. I also have "My Cole Porter" by Sinatra. I wore that one out too. nt
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CTyankee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 03:19 PM
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31. I used to have Bobby Short's LPs of Rodgers and Hart, Cole Porter and Noel Coward..
That was back in the 70s. My kids were teens at the time and thought I was just plain weird...
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 03:18 PM
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29. Me too! Ella was THE coolest woman of the 20th Century. Slightly more than ER. nt
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 04:11 PM
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33. Ha! Me, too. Gotta rummage around my CDs now. nt
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 03:17 PM
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28. Now, that's a tough one. I lean toward Porter on that one...nt
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 12:11 AM
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11. Rodgers and Hammerstein
Edited on Mon Dec-28-09 12:11 AM by MilesColtrane
Setting aside their superior commercial success still leaves a song like "You've Got to be Carefully Taught", which would be for the win.


You've got to be taught
To hate and fear
You've got to be taught
From year to Year
It's got to be drummed
in your dear little ear
You've got to be carefully taught

You've got to be taught
To be Afraid
Of people whose eyes
are oddly made
And people whose skin
Is a different shade
You've got to be carefully taught

You've got to be taught
Before it's too late
Before you are 6 or 7 or 8
To hate all the people
your relatives hate
You've got to be carefully taught
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 07:17 AM
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13. 'My Funny Valentine' immediately comes to mind.
so it's Rodgers & Hart
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 11:49 AM
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15. Rogers & Hart, witty and sophisticated. Rogers & Hammerstein, syrupy.
With only a few exceptions.
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blueraven95 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 01:08 PM
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18. I voted Rodgers and Hart
but I like them both.

I chose Rodgers and Hart mostly because I adore the songs from Boys from Syracuse and I love "Bewitched, Bothered, and Bewildered" from Pal Joey, among others.

If, however the vote was between either Rodgers pairing and Cole Porter, I would pick Porter, particularly "Anything Goes."
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 01:31 PM
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21. This Can't Be Love is a FABULOUS song!!!! nt
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-29-09 01:39 AM
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36. tricky lyrics

I had to dance AND sing this one at the same time in a chorus line. Yikes.


If you're blue
And you don't know
Where to go to
Why don't you go
Where fashion sits?
Puttin' on the ritz

Different types
Who wear a day
Coat; pants with stripes
And cutaway coat
Perfect fits
Puttin' on the ritz

the immortal Irving Berlin
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 02:47 PM
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26. and nobody mentioned Irving Berlin!
Another genius.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 04:14 PM
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34. And Johnny Mercer, Harold Arlen, Jerome Kern, Hoagy Carmichael, Duke Ellington.
They go on and on. Wonderful music!
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-28-09 04:21 PM
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35. Neat site with lyrics from the great popular songwriters.
Edited on Mon Dec-28-09 04:21 PM by valerief
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