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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 08:03 PM
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If they go and fuck up the moon...
Edited on Fri Nov-13-09 08:04 PM by cui bono
I'm outta here. Don't know where I'll go cuz the moon will be trashed too.

:cry:

I cannot believe they want to farm the water on there. It was bad enough they shot a missile into it. They just don't care what they ruin with no thought to the balance of life, etc...

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ixion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 08:04 PM
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1. yeah, one thing you can count on with humans: if there is a way to fuck it up
they most certainly will find it. :(
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 08:05 PM
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2. Well having thrown a rocket at it at full force, I would say they have started...
Edited on Fri Nov-13-09 08:07 PM by LakeSamish706
to screw it up big time. We just can't leave well enough alone it would seem... hmmmmm Now the question remains, did we kill anything by doing that? Who knows that there wasn't something living where that missile hit?
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 04:27 PM
Response to Reply #2
118. Uh NO ATMOSPHERE.
Holy fucking scientific ignorance batman! The moon is a lifeless rock....We do indeed know there was nothing living there. Unless of course you think rocks are alive...
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DarkTirade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 09:01 PM
Response to Reply #118
124. I dare you to say that to this guy's face...
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 07:58 AM
Response to Reply #124
139. Bwahaha
I adore that movie!! :thumbsup:
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 08:05 PM
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3. And why would you think there's any danger of that happening?
Edited on Fri Nov-13-09 08:06 PM by TexasObserver
The moon is a big, sterile rock in orbit around the earth.

How could "they" possibly "fuck up the moon"?
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Auggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 08:07 PM
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4. How could they fuck it up? Build a Starbucks...
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 09:14 PM
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28. Idiocracy style
:D
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 08:08 PM
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5. Water was discovered. I keep hearing scientists saying we can use it.
That's how. Surely you heard about the missile? That was unbelievable.



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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 08:33 PM
Response to Reply #5
17. Why did the missile trouble you?
What could one missile do to the moon?

Do you think it's going to go out of orbit? Split in two?
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bigjohn16 Donating Member (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 08:35 PM
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18. It was an impactor not a missile. It's a lifeless rock. nt
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 08:10 PM
Response to Reply #3
7. Latest photos indicate a bunch of medical cannibus sprouting near the crater due to the water being
released....

Private efforts are being formed to farm the Moon as I type this
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 08:12 PM
Response to Reply #7
8. And no doubt Bush and Cheney are the ones trying to cultivate it! n/t
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 09:07 PM
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23. Well in that case I've changed my mind.
Now where is that deed for the plot of moon land someone gave me... and I thought it was worthless!
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 07:57 AM
Response to Reply #7
138. Oh sweet space. Weed and water for the bong!
:D
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 08:13 PM
Response to Reply #3
9. Send W there? n/t
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 09:25 PM
Response to Reply #3
30. How do we survive without a supermarket?
Edited on Fri Nov-13-09 09:26 PM by Life Long Dem
Or a Walmart? If I had to go off across my back yard to discover something to eat to survive, I think upon reading this, I would have to question what I could harm taking that walk across my lawn.
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 08:10 PM
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6. Are you being sarcastic?
How would you go to the moon to live? It's currently inhabitable.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 08:13 PM
Response to Reply #6
10. You could build a bubble that would support life on the moon... It would be expensive...
Edited on Fri Nov-13-09 08:14 PM by LakeSamish706
and would take much work, but it could be done....
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itsrobert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 08:17 PM
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14. Yeah, but that's what the scienctist/NASA is trying to accomplish
Who's going to fuck up the moon? Right now it's just a big rock.
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 09:01 PM
Response to Reply #6
21. uh...
Edited on Fri Nov-13-09 09:03 PM by cui bono
yeah. Didn't really think anyone wouldn't get that. :)

But I really do think this is one dumb idea that could potentially have an adverse effect on the solar system.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 09:08 PM
Response to Reply #21
24. What *possible* adverse effects could a lunar probe have on the solar system? (nt)
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 08:14 PM
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11. I love all the publicity for this LCROSS data.
It's even on the frontpage of google.

I hope the woo woos choke on their own ignorant bile.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 09:08 PM
Response to Reply #11
26. +3.14159 (nt)
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SpookyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 09:26 PM
Response to Reply #26
31. OH! Pie in the face! I hope it's lemon! n/t
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billh58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 04:53 PM
Response to Reply #26
147. Pie are
NOT square -- pie are round. Cake are square.
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Toucano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 08:15 PM
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12. I don't think they plan to farm the water to earth.
That would be ridiculously expensive.

I bet it is more like they would use the water to supply a moon base.

Could be interesting.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 07:57 AM
Response to Reply #12
93. Sure. If we can't desalinate seawater...
...we sure as hell can't make cargo runs to the moon. It will always be faster, easier and cheaper to use the water we have.
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Peregrine Took Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 08:15 PM
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13. They are definitely up to something and you know its got a militaristic bent
to it. Makes me sick!
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FBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 09:04 PM
Response to Reply #13
22. That's not it, my young golden-haired Took.
Edited on Fri Nov-13-09 09:05 PM by FBaggins
What they're "up to" is the first stages of something that may provide the clean energy we need for the coming centuries (long after oil production has collapsed).
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cui bono Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 09:09 PM
Response to Reply #22
27. Why do they need the moon? n/t
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 09:18 PM
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29. Because of Helium-3. Vital for widespread fusion reactors, and abundant in the lunar soils
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helium-3

"Helium-3 (He-3) is a light, non-radioactive isotope of helium with two protons and one neutron. It is rare on Earth, and is sought for use in nuclear fusion research. The abundance of helium-3 is thought to be greater on the Moon (embedded in the upper layer of regolith by the solar wind over billions of years) and the solar system's gas giants (left over from the original solar nebula), though still low in quantity (28 ppm of lunar regolith is helium-4 and 0.01 ppm is helium-3).<1>"
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 11:15 PM
Response to Reply #29
39. I hear a lot about Helium 3 and fusion reactors
But I still haven't heard of a working fusion reactor.
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 12:04 AM
Response to Reply #39
48. Without fuel, it will be hard to build a working model
And helium-3 is quite rare on this planet, unfortunately.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 12:54 AM
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69. But how do you know this can be built?
It seems to me some solid proof of the workability of the design is needed before making claims about the inexhaustible nuclear fuel lying about on the moon.

I recall when it was said that fission power would be too cheap to meter. I also recall physics texts of the late 70's that said fusion was likely in 30 years. I am not necessarily anti-nuclear, but a fair minded person has to admit that there is a history of making claims that don't pan out in this field.
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FBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 07:49 AM
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92. There are two different issues there. Physics and Engineering
The physics is pretty much settled... the only question now is actually building these things. That's almost always an issue of "when", not "if" - particularly when the benefits are so substantial.

Nuclear energy without nuclear waste (or any of other concerns with nuclear power).

It is absolutely worth trying.

A workable reactor is decades away... but it will also take decades to get to the point where we can mine/deliver Helium 3 in the first place. We certainly can't afford to wait for one before we start the other.

If it costs us a billion dollars to bring back a single ton of the stuff, that would be the equivalent (in energy expense) of paying about $7/barrel for oil (obviously incredibly cheap). Many people expect oil to climb back over $150/bbl in the next few years as "peak oil" concerns return (and much higher in decades to come). At that price it would be cheaper to almost fifteen billion dollars for each ton of He-3 we can bring back.

And those dollars can go to american companies rather than the Saudis.
'
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 09:51 AM
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104. Of course a unity fusion reactor may never be possible.
Scientist have been saying a working reactor is a decade away for last 40 years.

Not saying it is impossible just that is may not be possible.

Fusion is certainly possible but fusion power may not be.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 09:46 AM
Response to Reply #48
103. We can easily make Helium-3 on earth.
Of course it is expensive so for COMERCIAL FUSION REACTORS we would need a cheaper source.

However the other poster was correct even if we had a ton of cheap Helium-3 we have no functional reactors to use it.
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 08:06 AM
Response to Reply #13
152. like what? holy tin foil craziness batman!!!11!!11
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 08:17 PM
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15. The moon will become a military base for the very first nation that can
get there and get a base established. Think about it...the same side of the Moon always facing the Earth. Target aquisition would be a cinch - just wait for the earth to rotate your target into your sites. Best high-defense position in the Universe!
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 11:54 PM
Response to Reply #15
45. The first country to do that would be in violation of an international treaty that has stood for ...
Edited on Sat Nov-14-09 12:15 AM by MilesColtrane
over thirty years, and would become a global pariah.

Article IV of the Outer Space Treaty of 1967

"The moon and other celestial bodies shall be used by all States Parties to the Treaty exclusively for peaceful purposes. The establishment of military bases, installations and fortifications, the testing of any type of weapons and the conduct of military manoeuvres on celestial bodies shall be forbidden."

Countries who have ratified or acceded to the treaty:


Afghanistan
Antigua and Barbuda
Argentina
Australia
Austria

Bahamas, The
Bangladesh
Barbados
Belgium
Benin
Bolivia
Botswana
Brazil
Brunei
Bulgaria
Burkina Faso
Burma
Burundi
Byelorussian S.S.R.2

Cameroon
Canada
Central African Republic
Chile
China, People s
Republic of
China (Taiwan)4
Colombia
Cuba
Cyprus
Czechoslovakia

Denmark
Dominica
Dominican Republic

Ecuador
Egypt
El Salvador
Ethiopia

Fiji
Finland
France

Gambia, The
German Democratic
Republic
Germany, Federal
Republic of
Ghana
Greece
Grenada
Guinea-Bissau
Guyana

Haiti
Holy See
Honduras
Hungary

Iceland
India
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Ireland
Israel
Italy

Jamaica
Japan
Jordan

Kenya
Korea, Republic of
Kuwait

Laos
Lebanon
Lesotho
Libya
Luxembourg

Madagascar
Malaysia
Mali
Mauritius
Mexico
Mongolia
Morocco

Nepal
Netherlands
New Zealand
Nicaragua
Niger
Nigeria
Norway

Pakistan
Panama
Papua New Guinea
Peru
Philippines
Poland

Romania
Rwanda

Saint Christopher-Nevis
Saint Lucia
San Marino
Saudi Arabia
Seychelles
Sierra Leone
Singapore
Solomon Islands
Somalia
South Africa
Spain
Sri Lanka
Swaziland
Sweden
Switzerland
Syria

Thailand
Togo
Tonga
Trinidad and Tobago
Tunisia
Turkey

Uganda
Ukrainian S.S.R.2
Union of Soviet
Socialist Republics
United Kingdom
United States

Uruguay

Venezuela
Vietnam

Yemen, People s Democratic
Republic of (Aden)
Yugoslavia

Zaire
Zambia
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 12:27 AM
Response to Reply #15
62. Most weapons need to be 200,000 miles away from their target to be truly effective, after all

Um, no.
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Syntheto Donating Member (283 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 08:20 PM
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16. This is a joke, right?
...The moon is big gravel ball; there is no life on it. While it is necessary to regulate Earth's tidal system, which certainly must have something to do with the weather patterns here, it's appeal to us ubermonkeys is an aesthetic one - it doesn't have to be visible to do it's part in the clockwork of orbit and tidal influence, as well as picking off the stray space rock coming in.

I'm more worried about advertising Sprint, MCI or some brand of feminine hygiene products, or Viagra using gigantic lights (blue for the Viagra - can you see it - Viva Viagra!) that everyone on Earth would be forced to watch every night. Sort of like when the Eiffel Tower was a big billboard for Citroen.

While I'm not worried about 'fucking up' the moon, I am worried about fucking up the night sky because I absolutely hate advertising.
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LakeSamish706 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 08:36 PM
Response to Reply #16
19. How can you be sure that there is no life on the moon? I'm not certain.. And I don't think...
Edited on Fri Nov-13-09 08:37 PM by LakeSamish706
that scientists will give you a thumbs up on certainty that there is no form of life there either.
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Statistical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 09:53 AM
Response to Reply #19
105. LOL. Now that has to be sarcasm.
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 09:08 PM
Response to Reply #16
25. LMAO
:rofl:
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 05:25 AM
Response to Reply #16
132. Geez, don't give them any ideas.
There is a .1% possibility they hadn't thought of that yet...until you told them. Shhhhhhh. If they see your post, now they'll DEFINITELY do it. They'll probably use neon fucking pink too. D'oh. I should have kept my mouth shut. We are doomed to see neon pink advertisements for tampons on the Moon now. Me and my big mouth.
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 08:52 PM
Response to Original message
20. Delete. Never mind.
Edited on Fri Nov-13-09 09:03 PM by A HERETIC I AM
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nc4bo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 09:54 PM
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32. If they fuck up the moon, I can kiss my regularly scheduled monthly visitor goodbye.
Edited on Fri Nov-13-09 09:54 PM by nc4bo
and say hello to Big Pharm and HRT. Noooooooooooooo. :cry:

Damn men!
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 10:01 PM
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33. I agree we should not be screwing with the moon
says one thing , they know we are running out of water .
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 10:58 PM
Response to Reply #33
37. TPTB are always looking for the next thing to privatize... This time, it's water.
Edited on Fri Nov-13-09 10:58 PM by BeHereNow
I SOOOOOOO hate the corporate bastards.

They are responsible for the rape of the earth and
now they want to start in on the moon.

BHN
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 11:05 PM
Response to Reply #37
38. Do you think they are going to bring that water back to Earth?
Is that your concern? That some nefarious corporation is going to privatize the water on the moon, harvest it in some manner, transport it back here and sell it for a profit?

Seriously?
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 11:32 PM
Response to Reply #38
40. I'd guess they are planning on fututre technological developments
and want to lay claim to the water should a way to transport it
be available in the future.
Their greed never ends.

BHN
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 11:36 PM
Response to Reply #40
43. Ummmm...in case you hadn't noticed....
There's plenty of water already here. Quite a bit, actually.

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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 11:50 PM
Response to Reply #43
44. "97.5% of all water on Earth is salt water, leaving only 2.5% as fresh water"
Edited on Fri Nov-13-09 11:51 PM by BeHereNow
http://www.globalchange.umich.edu/globalchange2/current...

"Nearly 70% of that fresh water is frozen in the icecaps of Antarctica and Greenland; most of the remainder is present as soil moisture, or lies in deep underground aquifers as groundwater not accessible to human use.
1% of the world's fresh water (~0.007% of all water on earth) is accessible for direct human uses. This is the water found in lakes, rivers, reservoirs and those underground sources that are shallow enough to be tapped at an affordable cost. Only this amount is regularly renewed by rain and snowfall, and is therefore available on a sustainable basis."



Guess you are not aware of the impact of climate change on the global fresh water supply?

It is decreasing, our access to fresh water.

Or maybe you are just trying to be contentious?

BHN
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 12:02 AM
Response to Reply #44
47. It is MUCH, MUCH cheaper to desalinate saltwater than transport Moonwater back to Earth
With the money and energy spent to retrieve a few tons of lunar water, you could build DOZENS of desalination plants here that would each generate THOUSANDS of tons of water per day.

Your paranoid argument is laughable.
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 12:10 AM
Response to Reply #47
50. "In this next clip, we see a Panda get his first months bill for the new Moon water"
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 12:12 AM
Response to Reply #47
51. I think you have missed the point of my post-
1. I am focused on the fact that whatever the the future of water on the moon is,
I GUARANTEE you that some fucking corporate CEO is already at work on how
to profit from it.

2. I am not paranoid in my observation that these corporate robber barrons
are out to consolidate every source of wealth into the fewest hands- theirs.

Unlike the average person, they are aware that should a desalination solution not be
achieved in the very near future, that all hell will break out within our lifetimes.
They will miss no opportunity to profit when it does and BEFORE it does.

Now which part of my points do you consider paranoid?

BHN


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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 12:14 AM
Response to Reply #51
52. Allow me to answer;
Now which part of my points do you consider paranoid?


ALL OF THEM
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 12:20 AM
Response to Reply #52
55. Beat me to it. nt
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 12:22 AM
Response to Reply #55
59. I challenge you to the same. My response to the other poster on this sub-thread.
Edited on Sat Nov-14-09 12:23 AM by BeHereNow
I seriously doubt you are capable of more than name calling though.

"Which of my points do you find improbable and why?
Thank you., in advance.
I am sick of name slinging on DU without
logical response in the debate.

Name slinging to silence discussion is above the majority of DU members.

I am more than willing to discuss and debate any and all of my points.
I am not willing to be called names and ridiculed as a substitution
for meaningful discourse."


BHN
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 12:30 AM
Response to Reply #59
63. Alright
"Unlike the average person, they are aware that should a desalination solution not be
achieved in the very near future, that all hell will break out within our lifetimes.
They will miss no opportunity to profit when it does and BEFORE it does."

Say the shit does start to hit the fan in the near future due to lack of fresh drinking water. In what way does attempting to retrieve water that costs hundreds of thousands of dollars per gallon make a corporation a profit? For one, you can desalinate water WITH CURRENT TECHNOLOGY for a tiny fraction of that cost. Second of all, who would be their customers? At $250,000+ per gallon, no one will be able to pay for that water no matter how desperate they are.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 12:36 AM
Response to Reply #63
64. Oh man, you are SO far behind the game... did you READ my original post????
"I SOOOOOOO hate the corporate bastards.

They are responsible for the rape of the earth and
now they want to start in on the moon."

You obviously do NOT understand how the game is rigged.
Nor are your reading comprehension skills adequate to
participate in a grown up discussion.

Maybe Skinner could offer reading comprehension classes
as a bonus during the next fund drive.

You do not understand a single point I have made.

You are repeatedly making the discussion about something I NEVER said.

READ much BEFORE attacking?


BHN
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 01:06 AM
Response to Reply #64
71. With what corporate-owned spaceships will these corporations rape the moon? nt
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 01:11 AM
Response to Reply #71
72. Hello???? Enron built a fortune on imaginary assets and cooked books.
Or did you miss that part of our history lesson?

BHN
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 01:18 AM
Response to Reply #72
76. Harvard Business School didn't start teaching Astrophysics and Galactic Water Tanker Fabrication
until AFTER Skilling graduated. I doubt anyone at Enron had that specific knowledge.
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 01:37 AM
Response to Reply #76
82. If I could find the startup capital, would you be interested in starting a new firm?
"Dreamer Heretical Space Tankers, Inc."

Our motto;

"We bring water to where there's already a bunch of it"

Maybe a tad wordy.
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 01:19 AM
Response to Reply #72
77. So a future corporation will create an imaginary space fleet and cooked books to trick investors
How does this imaginary fleet proceed to rape the moon?
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 09:59 AM
Response to Reply #72
106. so your concern is that corporations are going to sell imaginary moon water?
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 10:05 AM
Response to Reply #72
107. ROFL...
all of your posts in this thread are pure comedy gold.



:rofl:

Sid
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WhollyHeretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 09:01 AM
Response to Reply #71
100. OMG! We need to call Ben Affleck right fucking now!
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 01:13 AM
Response to Reply #64
73. Maybe you should be specific about how the game is "rigged" as regards harvesting the Moon's water


You are leaving aside the rather obvious fact that irrespective of whatever corporate skullduggery you think is going on, there remains the sticky problem of TRANSPORTING WATER FROM A DIFFERENT PLANET.

I will grant that Home Depot and Lowe's might be able to form a secret joint venture in which they could connect every garden hose in their possession to attempt to siphon the water from the Moon, but again, there is the problem of building a spaceship that could (a) hold a 200,000 mile-long spool of garden hose, and (b) successfully land a man on the Moon to lay the end in a suitable pool of water there.

Even if they've already got the spaceship part licked, they'd need (c) someplace to hold all the siphoned water, (d) someone to suck on the end of the hose until the water starts flowing, and (e) a way to make sure through time and space that the Earth end of the hose stays below the Moon end of the hose.

That sounds like a hard problem. I wonder how they're rigging that?
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 12:20 AM
Response to Reply #52
56. Please, be specific as to how they are "paranoid."
Which of my points do you find improbable and why?
Thank you., in advance.
I am sick of name slinging on DU without
logical response in the debate.

Name slinging to silence discussion is above the majority of DU members.

I am more than willing to discuss and debate any and all of my points.
I am not willing to be called names and ridiculed as a substitution
for meaningful discourse.


BHN
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 12:40 AM
Response to Reply #56
65. Crickets from the keyboard warriors.
Now why would that be?
Perhaps it is because you have NO basis to debate intelligently
the matters you accuse me of???

May I suggest you go BACK, READ the thread and
consider the possibility that you implied I said one thing,( which I did not) ran with it and
now look like complete fools?
BHN
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 12:49 AM
Response to Reply #56
68. OK, here you go;
1. I am focused on the fact that whatever the the future of water on the moon is, I GUARANTEE you that some fucking corporate CEO is already at work on how to profit from it.
And I guarantee you that NO corporate CEO has spent longer than ten seconds considering this idea because no one that has any knowledge whatsoever about spaceflight and the economics of water purification/supply/distribution on this planet would think that this would EVER be economically viable. EVER.

2. I am not paranoid in my observation that these corporate robber barrons are out to consolidate every source of wealth into the fewest hands- theirs.
Yeah, yeah, yeah blah blah blah. Every single CEO gets out of bed in the morning and thinks to him or herself "How can I screw over the human race today?" Please. You are letting your skewed perceptions of the business world run away with your imagination.

Unlike the average person, they are aware that should a desalination solution not be achieved in the very near future, that all hell will break out within our lifetimes. They will miss no opportunity to profit when it does and BEFORE it does.
A desalination solution ALREADY EXISTS! It's just that it takes cheap methods of electricity production to be profitable. Those cheaper production methods are already in the pipeline (Solar, wind, wave, etc.) Your assumption that "all hell will break out within our lifetimes" is pure and complete speculation on your part and not based in reality. The idea that this horrible group of shadow men named "they" somehow want to do this simply because you think they can and might does not change the economics of the concept, namely THEY SUCK.

I am sick of name slinging on DU without logical response in the debate.
I didn't sling any name at you. Yet. You however have yet to grasp how illogical your argument is because you are stuck on the idea that some nefarious corporate CEO is rubbing his hands with glee over the prospect of free water on the fucking moon.

Name slinging to silence discussion is above the majority of DU members.
This discussion has HARDLY been silenced and neither have you, as your continued predilection for absurdity demonstrates.

I am more than willing to discuss and debate any and all of my points. I am not willing to be called names and ridiculed as a substitution for meaningful discourse.
The fact is, your position is completely worthy of ridicule because it is...well...RIDICULOUS! But I haven't called you any "names", nor has anyone else on this subthread. Yet.

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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 12:55 AM
Response to Reply #68
70. You know what? Time will tell.
Edited on Sat Nov-14-09 12:56 AM by BeHereNow
Time will tell if I am right or not.

The fact IS, water privatization on Earth has already been in motion
for decades.

To think they are not considering it on the moon is delusional.
BHN
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 01:14 AM
Response to Reply #70
74. You're right. And the span of time it will take to prove you right will be measured
Edited on Sat Nov-14-09 01:23 AM by A HERETIC I AM
in centuries, not years or even decades.

I've been a space travel and colonization enthusiast for a very long time. The primary value of the discovery of frozen water on the moon is, as I said in another post, its use on the moon. As another poster mentioned, the cost to get even a single gallon of fresh water to the moon is enormous, because every pound you have to lift off the Earths surface and then boost toward the moon, and slow it down again takes huge amounts of fuel and that fuel has weight and it all has to be lifted off the planet. This is also true in returning materiel from the moon to earth. A large amount of fuel is needed to escape lunar orbit, inject into a trans-earth trajectory, slow down for earth orbit and get back to the ground. The size of vehicle needed for your scenario would have to be gargantuan to even begin to be viable.

The future of manned space exploration and space flight will undoubtedly involve manned outposts, perhaps even colonies on the moon. Having a source of not just water but oxygen and hydrogen on the moon is an incredibly valuable bit of information. The LAST thing anyone would consider is trying to get that water back here for the purposes of human consumption. It is just not feasible on any justifiable scale and won't be until such time that spaceflight and propulsion systems have evolved to the point of being essentially neutral from a fuel use perspective.

edited for sentence structure.
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 01:16 AM
Response to Reply #70
75. But you seem more concerned with the status of the water on a gray rock 200,000 miles away
I thought that was your issue.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 01:21 AM
Response to Reply #75
78. Again, you are exhibiting a lack of reading comprehension skills.
To clarify for you:

My point it this-
The multi national corporations WILL find a way to profit from this discovery.
It is that simple.

BHN
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 01:24 AM
Response to Reply #78
79. Corporations profitting from this discovery is a far cry from "raping the moon"
If a corporation is paid to build a water purification module for a future lunar base that houses scientists and researchers, and the water stays on the moon, does that qualify as raping the moon?
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 01:33 AM
Response to Reply #79
81. Are you familiar with the Hopi and the Kogi?
Do a search-
There are laws of spirit which modern man has failed to understand.

http://www.taironatrust.org

I would be fairly certain that you have no indigenous friends, and hold the
pompous, narcissistic and uniquely duh'murikkkan position gripping this nation that we are somehow "entitled"
to pillage the natural resources of the entire universe.
This matter is which, is in fact, the spirit of what the OP is addressing.
Along with, and not excluding, my posts on this thread.
BHN
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 01:55 AM
Response to Reply #81
87. Again....crickets. G'night.
BHN :banghead:
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NickB79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 01:59 AM
Response to Reply #81
89. I could have sworn I asked a question, but saw no answer
Guess I'll ask it again:

If a corporation is paid to build a water purification module for a future lunar base that houses scientists and researchers, and the water stays on the moon, does that qualify as raping the moon?

"I would be fairly certain that you have no indigenous friends"

So you're saying I should let my Puerto Rican wife (who has a lot of native islander heritage) know that we're not really friends?
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 12:26 PM
Response to Reply #81
158. Why are you slurring the Hopi and the Kogi as ignorant woo woo buffoons?
Frankly, I'm disgusted with your stereotyping of Native Americans as superstitious, illiterate, and backwards.
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 01:33 AM
Response to Reply #78
80. Well, clearly. Consider Coca Cola's Mission Statement and Values, for example
Mission, Vision & Values

The world is changing all around us. To continue to thrive as a business over the next ten years and beyond, we must look ahead, understand the trends and forces that will shape our business in the future and move swiftly to prepare for what's to come. We must get ready for tomorrow today. We must steal all the fucking water from the Moon. That's what our 2020 Vision is all about. It creates a long-term destination for our business and provides us with a "Roadmap" for winning together with our bottler partners.

Our Mission

Our Roadmap starts with our mission, which is enduring. It declares our purpose as a company and serves as the standard against which we weigh our actions and decisions.

* To refresh the world...
* To inspire moments of optimism and happiness...
* To steal all the fucking water from the Moon...
* To create value and make a difference.

Our Vision
Our vision serves as the framework for our Roadmap and guides every aspect of our business by describing what we need to accomplish in order to continue achieving sustainable, quality growth.

* People: Be a great place to work where people are inspired to be the best they can be.
* Portfolio: Bring to the world a portfolio of quality beverage brands that anticipate and satisfy people's desires and needs.
* Moon: Steal all fucking water from.
* Partners: Nurture a winning network of customers and suppliers, together we create mutual, enduring value.
* Planet: Be a responsible citizen that makes a difference by helping build and support sustainable communities.
* Profit: Maximize long-term return to shareowners while being mindful of our overall responsibilities.
* Productivity: Be a highly effective, lean and fast-moving organization.

Our Winning Culture
Our Winning Culture defines the attitudes and behaviors that will be required of us to make our 2020 Vision a reality.

Live Our Values
Our values serve as a compass for our actions and describe how we behave in the world.

* Leadership: The courage to shape a better future
* Collaboration: Leverage collective genius
* Integrity: Be real
* Accountability: If it is to be, it's up to me
* Theft: The Moon water is there. Fuckin' let's fly our starship up there and fuckin' steal it.
* Passion: Committed in heart and mind
* Diversity: As inclusive as our brands
* Quality: What we do, we do well

Focus on the Market

* Focus on needs of our consumers, customers and franchise partners
* Get out into the market and listen, observe and learn
* Possess a world view
* Focus on execution in the marketplace every day
* Figure out how much we're going to make with all that fuckin' Moon water
* Be insatiably curious

Work Smart

* Act with urgency
* Remain responsive to change
* Have the courage to change course when needed
* Land the starship close to where the fuckin' Moon water is, so we don't to carry it very far
* Remain constructively discontent
* Work efficiently

Act Like Owners

* Be accountable for our actions and inactions
* Steward system assets and focus on building value
* Treat that fuckin' Moon water like it's ours, which, fuck it, it IS
* Reward our people for taking risks and finding better ways to solve problems
* Learn from our outcomes -- what worked and what didnt

Be the Brand

* Inspire creativity, passion, optimism and fun...and STEAL MOON WATER.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 01:38 AM
Response to Reply #80
83. NOT Funny at ALL...
You have a twisted sense of humor, for the record.

Are you aware that untold numbers of Hindu farmers committed suicide
over Coca-Cola's privatization of water in India???


You think that is funny?

BHN
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 01:43 AM
Response to Reply #83
84. What is funny is your insistence that corporations have designs on a resource...
...they can more economically acquire with a few hundred 5 gallon containers and a shitload of quarters.

Hindus committing suicide is not a laughing matter. Riding to the defense of moon water, however, is very funny.
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 01:45 AM
Response to Reply #80
85. OMG that's hilarious! Here's a Panda reacting to the bill for his first "Moon Coke"


That mission statement is fucking funny as hell.
:spray:
:toast:
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 01:52 AM
Response to Reply #85
86. You are repeating yourself. Am I mistaken? n/t
bhn
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 01:55 AM
Response to Reply #86
88. You mean with the Panda? Yeah. I think it's funny.
HEY PANDA! LOOK AT THIS COST ANALYSIS FOR GETTING A GALLON OF WATER FROM THE MOON TO YOUR PLACE!"

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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 05:27 AM
Response to Reply #86
91. Yes, you're mistaken. You are wrong.
You are completely, utterly, totally wrong about the usefulness of transporting water from an almost dry moon to the Earth, where there is thousands of times more water than on the moon, where it just lies around as a liquid, and where it's already where we want it for the purposes of living on Earth.

Please: just think about the amount of water we have here. Think what you'd have to do just to get the water on the moon into a useable state. It's not just lying around there in handy blocks of ice you can load on a spaceship. But there may be enough of it there that if they (that's NASA, or the Chinese government, or other people capable of a Moon program, not the big boogyman Enron-style corporations you spend your life fearing even when they aren't involved) want to set up a base there, it may be a bit cheaper to mine the rocks to get some water that's there, rather than pay the $250,000 per gallon or whatever the price is to transport the water from here.

Please, please, just look at the numbers. You keep saying people have reading comprehension problems, but it's clear you haven't though about a single number in all this. Look how much water we have here on Earth. Look how much they think they found there (25 gallons in an impact that threw up a plume a mile high). While here we have most of the globe covered in it, to a depth of a few miles. Desalinating water here is a piece of piss compared to getting water on the moon. Hell, getting the water back from astronaut's piss will be easier. But you're not going to trap it all, so an external water supply for the astronauts will be useful (and the hydrogen could be useful as a fuel so they can take off again, as well).
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superduperfarleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 08:07 AM
Response to Reply #80
96. Fuckin' lol.
"Moon: Steal all fucking water from."

:rofl:
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 12:15 AM
Response to Reply #80
127. Best Mission and Values EVER.
"Land the starship close to where the fuckin' Moon water is, so we don't to carry it very far"
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 05:36 AM
Response to Reply #80
135. Don't be silly. Evian will bottle the overpriced moon water, not Coca Cola.
:evilgrin:
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 10:49 AM
Response to Reply #78
113. Assuming you're right, what is your "worst-case scenario"?
What is the most evil thing a corporation could POSSIBLY DO with moon water?

Where is the profit in it?
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mkultra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 10:50 PM
Response to Reply #70
159. awsome, that exchange was better than a movie
dude, your like the rainman but instead of counting toothpics you make people laugh.
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billh58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 04:35 PM
Response to Reply #51
146. Uh, hate to break your
Edited on Sun Nov-15-09 04:40 PM by billh58
bubble, but there are already highly effective desalination solutions in use all over the world. There are also systems which reclaim waste water and sewage. Just one example out of many:

http://www.gewater.com/what_we_do/water_scarcity/desali...

The purpose of the moon experiment was to determine the existence of water for the use of future moon bases as launch points for deep space exploration. No moon animal was harmed in the making of this discovery, and all reports indicate that the moon escaped with only minor injuries, and is expected to make a full recovery.
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 12:04 AM
Response to Reply #44
49. So let me get this straight....
You think that the technology to cheaply transport water from the moon to earth will arrive before inexpensive, large scale desalination is available?

Is that it?

Guess you are not aware of the impact of climate change on the global fresh water supply?

It is decreasing, our access to fresh water.

Or maybe you are just trying to be contentious?
Sure, I'm aware of the effects climate change could have. No, I'm not trying to be contentious, I am just trying to understand how someone who appears otherwise cogent and in control of at least most of their faculties can not grasp the absurdity of the idea of transporting water from the moon back to a planet almost completely covered in the stuff.

Seawater can be desalinated. Is it your position that it will at some point get cheaper to transport water from the moon to earth than it will to simply treat seawater?

If it is, then I suggest you study just a little more on the mechanics of spaceflight, because until the time that a device is discovered that can, with virtually no fuel use, get a large ship (I'm talking oil tanker sized, at least) into orbit and back down again, your scenario IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.

EVER.

The value of discovering frozen water on the moon would be for its use on the moon, not bringing it back here.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 12:14 AM
Response to Reply #49
53. Please see my post, # 51.
I don't feel like repeating myself.
And for the record, desalination is not yet a solution, is it.

BHN
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 12:21 AM
Response to Reply #53
57. It's a solution that beats the living hell out of trying to get large quantities of water back here
Edited on Sat Nov-14-09 12:51 AM by A HERETIC I AM
from the moon.

Sorry, BHN, but you really have no idea what you're talking about on this one.

It's obvious you do not understand the mechanics of spaceflight and what it takes to get a large mass off this planet and back down again.

You know those solid rocket boosters on the space shuttle stack? The pointy, white cylindrical thingys in this picture?



You know what they are actually doing during the launch?

They are lifting the fuel that the Shuttle main engines are burning.

Really, you should try and do a bit more to understand how much energy and expense is involved in lifting even a single pound to orbit, much less get it to the moon and back.

Edited for spelling
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 12:26 AM
Response to Reply #57
60. AGAIN, for the slow to comprehend...
Edited on Sat Nov-14-09 12:32 AM by BeHereNow
My point is THIS:

Trust me, some corporate fuck head is busy as we type trying
to figure out how to profit from this discovery.

Remember ENRON?
It doesn't matter whether shipping water from the moon is viable!

They WILL find a way to make money from this.

BHN

Onedit- my ORIGINAL comment, which has been COMPLETELY
distorted by responders to this comment:

"I SOOOOOOO hate the corporate bastards.

They are responsible for the rape of the earth and
now they want to start in on the moon."
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FBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 08:09 AM
Response to Reply #60
97. Nobody is ignoring your "ORIGINAL comment"
Your original coment (which, of course, has been edited) didn't just say that corporate b@st@rds were going to r@pe the moon... it was that their purpose was to "privatize" water.

Any environmentalist with two brain cells to rub together would be 500% in favor of this. If it works, it means no economical reason to continue r@ping the Earth.

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nemo137 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 02:34 AM
Response to Reply #60
149. HOW?
How is any group going to profit from a resource that is impossible to use?

Right now, as exciting as it is, there is no fucking way to use the water we think is on the moon. It could be that we actually discover that what the mission found was crystallized Bombay Sapphire gin and it wouldn't matter - because there is no way at present to access it. There's also, baring magical space bats coming from the heavens and giving us space elevators and anti-gravity devices, no way to profit off discovering water on the moon - privately financed spaceflight is at the same level that the space program was at at the Freedom 7 stage.

At this point, finding water on the moon is an unsullied good thing.
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FBaggins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 08:02 AM
Response to Reply #53
94. Of course it is
Desalination is absolutely a "solution" for getting drinkable water. Thousands of ships use it.

It's expensive... far too expensive (now) to use for crop irrigation and other high-volume uses worldwide...

...but it would look incredibly cheap compared to the cost of bringing water back from the moon. We use far more water (in the form of liquid H and O) just getting there and back than we could ever carry.
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relayerbob Donating Member (149 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 08:06 AM
Response to Reply #53
95. Tell that to the Saudis
Or the Israelis. Or the Californians. Or maybe look into modern desalination techniques. Your arguments are specious, at best.
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 10:10 AM
Response to Reply #53
108. Maybe you should ask the Saudis
http://www.water-technology.net/projects/shuaiba /

They are actually the leaders in desalination. If they can convert to solar, which they have in abundance as well, they can have another natural resource to extort the world with.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 05:29 AM
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133. What do you think Evian and Dasani are?
They are water sold for a big profit. :P

Of course, they have already said the reason they want to find water on the Moon is so astronauts can get water from there instead of having to come all the way back to Earth to buy overpriced Evian water. It'd be closer to get it on the Moon. Of course, it will still be bottled in Evian bottles and cost too damn much. You KNOW that.
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A HERETIC I AM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 07:04 AM
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137. Yes...you're right.
After re-reading this subthread, my questions and the answers I received, it's apparent to me now that I completely underestimate the greed embodied by the "huge multi national corporations". Even though I have no formal training in economics, water resource management, spaceflight mechanics and bottled water marketing, I presumed to think the entire premise put forward had no merit.

I'm so ashamed.

I can't help but think of that poor, poor Panda and it's reaction and how that reaction is prescient to the reaction any future moon colonists will have when they realize the bottle of Moon Dasani they just drank is coming out of their pay!

"Hey Mr. moon explorer/space worker, here's what is left of your paycheck after drinking that 8 oz bottle;






hee hee
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 08:09 AM
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153. you know.... ah shit there really are no words to describe that kind of crazy....
:rofl:

evil DLC Moonwater!!11!!111 THE CORPORATISTS!!11!!! ELEVENS!!!!!!111!!!!!11 This is Rahm's fault!!11!

:rofl:
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Dreamer Tatum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 12:43 AM
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66. I commend your impassioned defense of the rich, vibrant culture known as...the Moon.


Imagine the devastation if the corporations take their corporate spaceships to the Moon. God, please, no.
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jdp349 Donating Member (372 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 04:53 PM
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120. No one has called you names yet
but having read this entire subthread I feel there is nothing else left to contribute.

You're an idiot.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 06:18 PM
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123. Wow
you were serious!

:rofl:
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Silent3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 12:02 AM
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46. You think this has something to do with Earth water shortages!?!?
It's because the payload cost of delivering a gallon of water to the moon for use on the moon is about $250,000.

If we can extract water from the moon for future lunar visitors to use while there, we should be able to greatly decrease the cost of providing water.

Until rocket fuel can be locally manufactured on the moon, the cost of retrieving water from the moon with be even greater than the $250,000/gallon, because you'd have to deliver all of the fuel to the moon from earth needed to fly the lunar water back to earth.

It's much, MUCH, MUCH cheaper to desalinate ocean water, or decontaminate the most hideously polluted earth water, than it would be to bring lunar water to the earth.

There's no other way to say this... your conspiratorial idea that searching for water on the moon indicates "they know we are running out of water" is just plain idiocy.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 12:15 AM
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54. Oh for fuckity-fucks sake...
NO one responding to my post has YET understood the point.

I give up.

BHN
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Silent3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 12:21 AM
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58. Having read a few of your other posts...
...yes, good idea. Give up. :)
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 12:27 AM
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61. I just LOVE hit and run posters like yourself.
You add SO much to the discussion.

Really!

Next...
BHN
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 10:12 AM
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109. Your point is ridiculous...
hence the ridicule from every poster who read it.

Sid
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 10:27 AM
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112. ... what?
You actually think the search for water on the Moon has something to do with water shortages on Earth?

Look, we hope there's water on the moon because water is too heavy to transport, and necessary to sustain human life. If we want to do anything long term on the Moon, it will be made much more feasible if water is already present.

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DainBramaged Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 10:03 PM
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34. It's a rock.
Let's see, women's rights are being trampled, health care reform is badly needed, job recovery could help us climb out of the recession, but Carrie Prejean and the moon dominate this board.


maybe we should call ourselves Distraction Underground?
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 08:14 AM
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154. what do you have against batshit crazy moonwater conspiracies buddy?
;)
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phasma ex machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 11:20 PM
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162. A Prejean quarter moon...
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neverforget Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 10:09 PM
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35. It was a spent rocket and a probe. Not a missile.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 10:55 PM
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36. Girrrrl, we need to have some tacos and moon rock margaritas.
We are extremely over due for a DU meet up.
I want to find a day that Kestrel and other locals can join us- I miss you guys!

This moon rape will be the final straw in my book.

You just DON'T fuck with the MOON!!!

BHN

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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 11:33 PM
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41. I'll go if they put in a McD's, a mall, and a Walmart...otherwise, I'm staying put. n/t
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Buns_of_Fire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 08:26 AM
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99. I'm sure there'll be one in the theme park.
We're whalers on the moon,
We carry a harpoon.
But there ain't no whales
So we tell tall tales
And sing our whaling tune.


(Everything I need to know about the future, I learned from Futurama :-))
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-13-09 11:35 PM
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42. crap, that'll teach me to unrec before I read the whole thread.
must've been lunacy
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proteus_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 12:48 AM
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67. I think it's awesome.
Moon base!
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 03:13 AM
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90. Oy vey.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 04:43 PM
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119. I want to both laugh and cry at the same time
I thought people here were ignorant of biology. This beats all...
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WhollyHeretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 08:14 AM
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98. The balance of life? You do realize Marvin the Martian cartoons were not documentaries?
I think it would be great to have a base on the moon.
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DavidDvorkin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 09:33 AM
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101. I keep hoping the OP was meant as a joke
But I'm afraid it was serious.
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hileeopnyn8d Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 09:41 AM
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102. There is nothing
Edited on Sat Nov-14-09 09:43 AM by hileeopnyn8d
better than a moon thread for some good old fashioned Saturday morning entertainment.

"If it weren't for those meddling kids..."

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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 10:21 AM
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110. *edit*
Edited on Sat Nov-14-09 10:22 AM by Marr
mispost
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 10:22 AM
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111. apparently you are unaware that countries have been crashing things into the moon for 50 years
The sheer ignorance displayed by a couple of posters on this thread is truly frightening, not only as it relates to the science and economics of water reclamation from the lunar service, but of the fact that lunar exploration has been ongoing for a half century. The Russians first crashed an impact probe into the lunar surface in 1959 (Luna 2). Over the next dozen or so years, numerous lunar orbiters and probes were intentionally crashed into the moon by both the Russians and USA in pursuit of scientific objectives (various Luna probes and Ranger missions). After a period of years in which lunar exploration was no longer a priority, various nations-- including Japan, a consortium of European nations, and even India, have re-engaged in this scientific mission, have sent devices to the moon that have impacted the lunar service.

And incredibly, the moon is still there.

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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 11:07 AM
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114. Farmers on the moon - where did you get that idea?
we have far more water on the earth
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 03:45 PM
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115. BEST THREAD EVER!
Edited on Sat Nov-14-09 03:46 PM by smalll
I never thought I'd say this, but this even beats "I don't drink with you." Thank you, BeHereNow!



I don't drink ridiculously expensive evil-corporate moonwater with YOU!
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 04:07 PM
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116. leave the moon alone!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I got to use this twice now :rofl: :rofl:




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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 04:25 PM
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117. BWAHAHAHAHA!
How does one fuck up the balance of life on a lifeless rock with no atmosphere? Damn. Carl Sagan would be rolling in his grave,so to speak!
Stupid is as stupid does!
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 01:05 AM
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129. Too many scifi films. Someone said harvesting moon water. n/t
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 06:09 PM
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121. don't worry, the moon is not without defense
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 06:13 PM
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AsahinaKimi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 09:07 PM
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125. Defending the Moon? THIS SOUNDS like a job for...
Edited on Sat Nov-14-09 09:08 PM by AsahinaKimi
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Inchworm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-14-09 09:08 PM
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126. We like the moon!
Don't click this please.

http://www.rathergood.com/moon_song

:yoiks:
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kentauros Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 03:05 AM
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131. But I LIKE rathergood.com
:D

Great video! I hadn't checked them out in a while. This is one of my favorites of theirs:

http://www.rathergood.com/winners
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vaberella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 01:03 AM
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128. You're loss. I think this is reminiscint of Firefly & I wouldn't mind living on some random planet.
n/t
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 01:22 AM
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130. This thread reminds me of this one:
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 05:30 AM
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134. Panic much?
Now now, it's not going to be that bad. The Moon didn't crack in half when they sent the probe. It didn't pop and fly away or any of that stuff. It is going to be ok. I'm quite sure of that.
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 06:06 AM
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136. This thread is so awesome.
I almost wish Ignored wasn't on suspension so she could add to the hysterical* batshit craziness of it.

*Yes, I know the origins of the word. That's why I used it. Neener neener.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 08:01 AM
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140. Heh
Me too. We need a good discussion on how bombing the moon is going to disrupt all our menstrual cycles... :rofl:
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 08:04 AM
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141. If bombing the moon disrupts my menstrual cycles, I am all for it.
NASA's failure to blow the giant cramp machine in the sky up proves they're conspiring with Big Kotex and Big Chocolate.
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ellie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 10:50 AM
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142. What kills me about this moon business
is that we just NOW discovered water? Didn't we go there 40 some years ago? I guess we were looking for little green men instead.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 11:03 AM
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143. On a serious note..
the water is not really obvious and you have to remember that technology has advanced quite a bit in 40 years.
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PopSixSquish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 11:11 AM
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144. Paging Roland Emmerich, Please Report to DU Immediately
your next big blockbuster diaster movie is ready.

Some folks either need to stop drinking or start...
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-15-09 11:15 AM
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145. Truly the most awesome thread ever. Thank you.
:rofl:
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smalll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 12:44 AM
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148. How did this drop off Page 1?
Kick! Kick for the Best Thread EVER!

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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 10:36 AM
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155. + 1 n/t
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 02:55 AM
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150. Why can't they just leave space alone? First they destroyed Pluto, now the moon.
And they wonder why the Earth is pissed off at us? MAYBE GLOBAL WARMING IS JUST THE EARTH GETTING REVENGE FOR US PUNKING HER SPACE SISTERS!!1

Never thought of that, did y'all? Think, people!
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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 08:05 AM
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151. please tell me this is a poorly executed joke. please God.....
:eyes:
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 11:04 PM
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160. Let us know if God gets back to you on that question.
Because first, I'm curious myself, and second, it would answer that other big question.
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 11:19 AM
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156. A kick for awesome
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Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 11:58 AM
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157. how did I miss this AWSOME thread?
:wow:
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-16-09 11:13 PM
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161. As soon as we get the title issues worked out, you can get a condo up there
I'm thinking of a Timeshare project myself. We'll get Eric EStrada to sell it
<--you are here
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 10:22 AM
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163. They already messed it up. I saw a spot on it last night.
No kidding, I was looking at the moon and you can clearly see that the missile caused some pattern of damage across the surface. It used to be smooth, now it's all pocked and cratered.

HOW CAN NASA DO THIS!!!1 I BLAME OBAMA!!!.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 11:28 AM
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165. !
Jobycom for the win! (and on this piece of comedy gold thats saying something!) :rofl:
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bikebloke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-17-09 11:21 AM
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164. I already canceled my holiday there.
You just know they'll fuck it up, know matter what they say.
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