Proportion of DU university graduates vs. Freeper high school graduates

[BolivarianHero]

Judging by some of the religious nuttery, the pseudo-survivalist extremism, the raw bigotry, and the sloppy use of the "English" language, I would say that DU has I higher proportion of post-secondary graduates than FR has high school graduates.

[Brigid]

1. I have a BS in English . . .

Maybe you could post a poll? :shrug:

[greenbriar]

2. BSE and Master's in Education

but I am not a speller so that is not really a good assumption

[kentauros]

24. Everyone has their strengths and weaknesses.

I had a good friend back in college that was a mathematical genius. He was also the worst speller I've ever seen, and knew it. He just understood that was a horrible weakness in his mental abilities. It didn't affect his mathematical prowess, so that's all that mattered :)

[Bucky]

17. I have a BS in BS....

Wouldn't English be a BA degree?

[Orrex]

20. I have a BA in A-Team

I pity the fool who suggests otherwise.

[Mutley]

39. I have a BS in English.

It could have been a BA if I had taken 12 additional foreign language credits. I declined. :P

[CaliforniaPeggy]

28. My dear Brigid!

He doesn't have a star......can't post a poll.

Oh well!

:hi:

[Ptah]

3. "DU has I higher proportion" ? ? ?

[Haole Girl]

15. I caught that too

:rofl:

[LeftyFingerPop]

4. Whoa.

Are you implying that someone who never went further than high school is more prone to bigotry, religious nuttery, etc?

Or am I reading this wrong?

[Forkboy]

5. I don't know if that's the implication, but I suspect that it's true.

Obviously, it's huge broad brush and there will be plenty of exceptions, but I'd say that overall the less educated one is the higher the chance they may end up bigoted.

[LeftyFingerPop]

6. I probably would agree with you if you had typed...

"less intelligent" rather than "less educated".

I'm sure that there are studies that agree with you, but I'm not sure that I buy it.

Most of my former co-workers, all having higher degrees, were the most racist assholes I've ever seen.

I don't equate intelligence with education.

[Forkboy]

9. I don't really equate the two either, as I'm a high school drop out and that would be mean to myself

:)

But less intelligent is usually a result of being less educated. I'm not sure you can completely separate one from the other. The fact that you know (as do I) educated people who are still bigoted doesn't mean that there's more of them then there is among less intelligent people.

As I said, it's a huge broad brush that will have plenty of exceptions. But those exceptions don't disprove the idea, and I'd be willing to bet if you took 100 drop outs and 100 graduates the level of bigotry would be noticeably higher in the former. In my own experience it's drastically higher among less intelligent people.

And if it makes you feel better, I'm not sure there are studies that agree with me and I might just be talking out of my ass, so if you don't buy it it's cool. ;)

[LeftyFingerPop]

10. Well, I look at it this way...

I have a high school diploma, a 3 year trade school (building trades) degree, an AAS degree, and a BS degree.

My trade school degree was obtained simultaneously with high school.

Let's say that I pursued a career in the building trades. I would have taken my building trades diploma, gone on to be a journeyman, and eventually a master in a trade. I would have been working with and for people of all races, and I would have honed my skills on the job. I would have had to learn very quickly how to get along with all sorts of people, and I would have seen with my own eyes the value of all people as an adult.

My "education" would have been through my work, rather than a classroom. My "intelligence" would have been the same or better than if I did indeed decide to go to college instead.

My gut feeling is that this is the case with plenty of people who do not pursue college. The "intelligence" is still prevalent, regardless of whether it is learned in a classroom or through life experience.

I might even be able to make a case that those with no higher education could generally be LESS bigoted, because they are placed into real life working situations sooner than college grads. :)

[kentauros]

25. What building trade(s) did you learn?

I probably could have gone that route myself instead of college, and would have likely been in better physical condition now. But I wouldn't be the person I am now, other than still being a liberal. That's never changed over the decades ;)

[LeftyFingerPop]

48. Hi kentauros...

6 weeks of plumbing
6 weeks of carpentry
6 weeks of masonry
6 weeks of electrical

Then, you had to pick which one you wanted to do for the next 2.5 years...I chose carpentry.

It was pretty complex...building stairs from scratch including the stringer layout.

Hanging doors from scratch...including the building of jams and hinge carve out.

Complete home framing.

Roofing,

Rafter layout,

Calculation of joist loads.

How to cope joints.

etc. etc.

:hi:

[kentauros]

51. Well hell! You can build whole houses

:D

These days, you can find pattern-tools and specialized cutters that take so much of the effort out of it. No using hammer and chisel for door-hinges and deadbolt holes. Rotary chainsaw bits for taking out even more wood, like for post and beam construction. And factory-made wood trusses that are hurricane-resistant in strength. I remember truss design in steel-construction drafting. Not quite trig, but still plenty of force calculations.

Now in my own experience, the old rule "measure twice, cut once" reads more like "measure a dozen times, still cut on the wrong side of the line" :P So, I'm not very good at carpentry or furniture-making, despite a desire to do so by hand. I'd love to improve my skills, build a nice woodworker's bench, have a good set of Japanese saws, add to my chisels and other tools. I just need a space in which to work ;)

Have you ever done post-and-beam or "nail-less" frame construction?

[Rabrrrrrr]

31. I would go the other way: if one is bigoted and conservative, one is less likely to pursue education

and so it's not a case of "they may end up bigoted", but that they began bigoted, and thus did not seek out any kind of higher education.

Cuz being smart's just elitist liberalism.

[Skittles]

7. so?

education does not mean intelligence - I work with many dumbfuck so-called "grads"

[jonnyblitz]

11. didn't Bush graduate from Yale?

:crazy:

[KamaAina]

46. Don't blame him on us

Harvard let him into grad school. :dunce:

Yours,
K-A Y'85 cum laude

[jonnyblitz]

50. LOL. oh yeah. i forgot about that. nt

[EastTennesseeDem]

8. This thread can't end well.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

12. whatever do you mean...so far it is going splendidly

:D :yoiks:

[EastTennesseeDem]

19. I just have a feeling.

[hippywife]

13. Another failed attempt

at winning hearts and minds, right? :rofl:

I have only a high school education. So I doubt that it means too much. Common sense and compassion are rarely taught in the classroom, I figure.

:hi:

[EastTennesseeDem]

18. Well, I mean I guess I'm in the gray area of the thread.

I graduated high school and am currently enrolled in college. Given that this school (Vanderbilt) is attended mainly by rich southerners, you can guess it's got its share of Republicans. They have done nothing to influence my leanings, so I guess I can say that the cause and effect the OP is implying is very minuscule.

[hippywife]

30. I was agreeing with you

about this thread not ending well. I think the OP is making a ridiculous assumption.

Sorry, I should have been more clear. :hi:

[EastTennesseeDem]

33. Oh I know you were

I just hadn't expressed my views on it, and you provided a pretty good segue to do so. :hi:

[BolivarianHero]

35. Here's the thing...

Where I come from, a lot of the worst right-wingers are high school drop outs...People like failed Ontario Minister of Education John Snobelen and former Alberta Premier Ralph Klein,

[madinmaryland]

14. I'm calling Bullshit on this thread. Equating not having a college degree

with freeperism, bigotry, and all the other stuff you say is Bullshit.

ALERTING.

[qnr]

16. Well, I throw it off, having dropped out of HS after 3 months :/ n/t

[Orrex]

21. Way to fuck the bell curve, qnr

Goddamn outliers.

[qnr]

23. *snork* n/t

[kentauros]

22. AAS in Drafting Technology and a BA in Graphic Arts

I got the Drafting degree after flunking out in both Geology and Computer Graphics Programming degree plans, thanks to Calculus and Inorganic Chemistry killing me! So, I fell back on the fact that I had aced drafting in my senior year of high school, and for the most part, aced it in college. The "unfortunate" part to all that was I got my degree right when we had the Oil Bust of 1984, so back to school I went and got the BA.

I've also got some semesters in Baking & Pastry thanks to a temporary career change in the early 90s. Pastry cooks make about a fifth to a third of what a good AutoCAD drafter/Designer makes, so I went back to the office after the slave-trade of the food industry...

And now I am working on writing (while I'm unemployed) thanks to all those degree-plan changes and the fact that every single college and university in the US likes to require new students to take their "Five-Paragraph-Theme English Class" no matter how many times you've had it everywhere else :eyes: I guess there was a hidden ulterior motive by the Universe

[litlady]

26. Yeah a poll would be better. MA/BA, working on PhD nt

[Richard Steele]

27. I have ten years of rural public-school education. Sorry for dragging down the average, folks. nm

[proteus_lives]

29. What's the point of this?

Other proving what an asshole you are?

You're acting like what you claim to despise.


Alert.

[LeftinOH]

32. Feh; there are lots of college grads who spell badly -n/t

[Taverner]

34. Yes, unless you consider "colleges" like Liberty and Regent U

Which are Christian Madrassas, that's all

[la_chupa]

36. I can't spell worth a carp

and I've been udumacated far beyond my socioeconomic status

[Rob H.]

37. I have a BA in Journalism

with a concentration in Advertising. I have to say, though, that I've worked around a lot of electrical engineers in my last job and my current one, and quite a few of them are pretty bad at spelling and grammar. Nothing against electrical engineers, obviously, but just because a person is brilliant in a certain field doesn't mean they're brilliant all 'round.

One of the most intelligent people I've ever met was my dad's late stepfather. He dropped out of high school at 15 and lied about his age to join the Merchant Marine during WWII. He was also off-the-scale smart and once he retired, he liked to read books about theoretical physics for fun!


ETA: I work in a marketing department and my boss (who has a degree in finance) and his toadying lackey (who has no degree at all) don't listen to a word I say, despite the advertising degree and 20 years' experience. Clearly all that money spent on my education isn't helping me at the moment. :(

[av8rdave]

38. FWIW, I graduated from an EXTREMELY conservative school

And I am anything but.

I don't think you can make a correlation, for a number of reasons:

1. As someone eloquently put it earlier in this thread, it's a mistake to equate intelligence with education.

2. I believe the majority of those who are ignorant/racist/intolerant were that way from a fairly young age. Much of that is ingrained early in life. How tightly one holds on to those beliefs depends on a lot of things other than education (family, environment, experience, peers, etc).

3. Advanced education CAN cause someone to change ingrained belief systems, but not always.

4. Life experience outside the classroom has the greater influence on who we are and what we believe, IMO. I'm now in my 50s. I attended my ultraconservative college for 4 years in the late 70s. I find it hard to believe those 4 short years had any major impact on my world view as a whole.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

40. ...

:thumbsup:

[Mutley]

41. I have a BS in English and I plan to start grad school next fall.

My Master's will be in Education.

However, I don't think that being educated automatically means one is not intelligent. I know many people who never went to college, and who are intelligent, thoughtful, and liberal-minded.

[agentS]

42. It's higher there than here, but not guaranteed

Just because someone's a high school grad only, or a dropout doesn't mean they're automatically a teabaggin', meth injecting, teeth missing Freetard!

It just means they're slightly likely to be one, which I think is the OP's main point.

Now if the numbers were GREATLY out of proportion, like 75% of all dropouts being Freetard, then I fear for the future of the nation. Because being Xenophobic, 90 lbs overweight, drunken, and putting misspelled words on your protest signs is no way go to thru life, son.

[Wapsie B]

43. BA in Music/Business/Humanities

But I also know some highly intelligent people with no formal education beyond high school, and I mean highly intelligent. My degree means a lot to me in terms of finally accomplishing something I set out to do long ago. Coming from a very conservative upbringing college did broaden my horizons and world view. It made me question many things in life. The satisfaction I felt at graduation was beyond anything I had ever felt.

Having said that if and when I ever return to school I want to in order to learn something new and take my life in a totally different direction and not the need for an academic to validate my life. Right now unfortunately the latter is the predominant feeling of mine.

[Tobin S.]

44. Education can open your mind and change your world view

But you have to be receptive to that sort of thing to begin with. I don't think a majority of people are open to having their world view overhauled on any given day, high school or college graduate. I live for that but I do not have a college degree. Currently, I pursue education in my own way by reading as much as I can and being observant of the world and people around me. Maybe some day I will get back to school and get that piece of paper that will declare me officially intelligent.

[sakabatou]

45. Currently in college, but degree

[madrchsod]

47. 95 hours of community college credits and no degree....,

i still need 12 credits

[Kali]

49. people in academia and other "educated" citizens

may tend to be more liberal based on better understanding of science and other subjects but there is plenty of variation and ignorance/lack of education on both sides of the political line.

Education in NO WAY is a measure of intelligence.

I don't frequent that site so I don't have much feeling for the levels of education. I would say a better correlation is probably fundamental religious nuts tend to lack higher education (fake religious "universities" excepted, of course).

[blueknight]

52. my wife has a PHD in nursing

but she will be the first to tell you when it comes to finances, world or current events, common sense and anything else, she usually defers to me, a high school graduate only

[SoxFan]

53. WTF

BA, Yale; MBA, Harvard


Farm boy drop-out