Is this evidence that there is a God?

[hfojvt]

So I am doing family history 'research' and I happen upon this guy

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&...

Franklin Delano Butler.

Since he was born in the 40s, you'd think he was named after the Greatest President Ever.

But no, this guy was born in the 1840s, so he seems to foreshadow that future President. Roosevelt was given the middle name Delano, of course, in honor of his mother Sara Delano. But why was Mr. FDB given that middle name? It is hardly a common middle name, nor is there any Delano is his family tree within four generations that I can determine.

One possibility, of course, is that the source of this name just made it up. The 1850 census just calls him Frank Butler. I have no primary record that names him Franklin Delano. The name comes from a history of the Butler family written in 1944 so the author of that family history may have seen a boy named Franklin and christened him with the middle name Delano just to be funny or as a tribute of sorts.

Even that would be oddly close to foreshadowing because the book was written in 1944.

Franklin Delano Butler's birthdate - 13 April 1846
Franklin Dealno Roosevelt's death - 12 April 1945

Coincidence?

I think not.

And on that last line we can perhaps all agree.

[orleans]

1. "Is this evidence that there is a God?"

no, but i think it is definite evidence that there are coincidences

[hfojvt]

3. aha - Nostradamus knew you were gonna say that

"The old one mocked and deprived of his place,
by the foreigner who will suborn him:
Hands of his son eaten before his face,
His brother to Chartres, Orleans Rouen will betray." "Nostradamus and his prophecies" p. 239

see? It is clear "the old one" is God, being mocked and deprived of his place by the treacherous Orleans.

[orleans]

6. link?

btw--hfojvt--are you high?

[hfojvt]

7. sorry, it is a book I happen to own

I happen to own it because I was not gonna sell Nostradamus crap in my store.

Of course one of the best ways to show it is crap is to actually read the quatrains. Here's another one that mentions the illustrious Orleans

"Paris conspires to commit a great murder
Blois will cause it to be fully carried out:
Those of Orleans will want to replace their chief,
Angers, Troyes, Langres, will commit a misdeed against them."

This book is so thorough it even has them in their original Klingon

"Paris conjure un grand meurtre commettre
Blois le fera sortir en plein effet:
Ceux d'Orleans voudont leur chef remettre,
Angers, Troye, Langres leur feront un mefait"

Something about how it is fate that you would make me angry.

Or it's to blave, which means to bluff a plain effete person, which is clearly me.

Either way, your my density.

[orleans]

24. ...

[hfojvt]

26. Oh, come on Orleans

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-IXJLgRnvs

[hfojvt]

29. ain't I even worth a dime a dance?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OE5QfmGM0D0

[SidneyCarton]

22. ...

You owe me a new keyboard!

[ZombieHorde]

2. If not coincidence, what do you think is going on? What else would it be? nt

[hfojvt]

4. clearly it is foreshadowing

God, the author of our destiny, leaving a hidden, and yet obvious message that He knows what is yet to come (insert Twilight Zone theme music here)

Don't you think you should send me $49.95 anyway, just to be safe?


But wait, there's more! If you call in the next ten minutes, because we can't do this all day, you get your ancestry traced back to Charlemagne. That's a $100 value and it's yours free (just pay shipping and handling).


Hopefully that was worth a laugh. As for the OP. Just a "things that make you say 'holy unexplained mysteries Batman'"

[Strong Atheist]

5. Boy, is this in the

wrong place...

[hfojvt]

8. I understood that this was the room

for an argument.

[Strong Atheist]

14. !

[Ikonoklast]

15. "No, it isn't."

[hfojvt]

28. well, that's not an argument

it's just contraindication

[SidneyCarton]

23. Yeah, this would be a 200+ post flame war in R/T

[Strong Atheist]

35. !

[MajorChode]

9. It's also possible that he was named "Delano" for the same or similar reason FDR was

His mother named him after her favorite uncle Franklin Delano.<4> The progenitor of the Delano family in the Americas of 1621 was Philippe de la Noye, the first Huguenot to land in the New World, whose family name was anglicized to Delano.<5>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Delano_Roosevelt#...

I found a potato chip that kinda looked like Jesus the other day. I thought about selling it on ebay because it was absolute proof of our lord and savior, but it was a small bag of chips and I was hungry.

[hfojvt]

10. Huguenot? That's Hugh!!!1!!1

or not. That makes FDR part French. It figures

I already examined that possibility. Sarah's uncle was named Franklin Delano. Not Franklin Delano _____ In the ancestry of FDB that I can determine I can go back at least 5 generations on all sides and there are no Delanos. I suppose it is easily possible that one of his grandparent's sisters married a Delano or that his parents were close friends with a Delano family. I will continue to work on the Gideon Butler side, but often daughters are hard to trace going forward.

As for your potato chip, that's clear proof of why you never got rich. Because you were 'asleep at the switch'!!!http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilgore_Trout

You coulda taken a photo of the chip and sold copies of that on ebay and thus had your chips and eat it too.

[MajorChode]

11. Just my luck

Oh well, it WAS a tasty chip though, so it wasn't a total loss.

[Maine-ah]

12. we may be related somewhere though.

my maiden name is Butler. My fathers name was Frank.

[hfojvt]

19. since you hail from New England

there's probably a good chance, but probably not on the Butler line. It's not one of my primary lines and there's probably more than one primary Butler family. Richard Butler 1612 of Braintree, Essex, England seems to be as far back as I go and three of his children married Olmsteads who are related to me through the ubiquitous Loomis family.

[Deep13]

13. No, it's evidence of Franklin Butler.

With big enough numbers the unlikely becomes inevitable. Assuming that his name really was Delano, out of so many million Americans, it was inevitable that someone else would be named Franklin Delano.

[SteppingRazor]

16. Coincedence? Um ... yes, actually.

Why wouldn't it be?

[gmoney]

17. Several cities named Delano

Might have influenced things, or might be the name of a family friend, or Xenu might have suggested it.

[hfojvt]

20. depends if you believe in coincidences

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW6HbZXI9Y0

The odds, first, that somebody would be named Franklin Delano without any Delano in his ancestry and second that the birthdate of this person should so closely correspond to the date of a very famous Franklin Delano suggest an Occam's Razor explanation. Namely that Caroline Hyde Butler married a time traveller with a sense of humor.

[Orsino]

18. It proves that not only is there a God, She's a socialist. n/t

[hfojvt]

25. more confirmation

"All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they shared everything they had. With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus and much grace was upon them all. There were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sale, and put it at the apostles' feet and it was distributed to anyone as he had need." Acts 4: 32-35

[Rambis]

21. This another Kelly Brook thread?

[hfojvt]

27. hey, don't hate me

just because I am beautiful

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hz8ul-gmLyA

[Rambis]

33. Tough to find a pic

that I can post here

[OwnedByFerrets]

30. Jus' cuz....Why would there be a conclusion of a god in

this event.

[hfojvt]

31. "One night a spaceship appeared in the sky of a planet that had never seen one before.

The planet was Dalforas, the ship was this one. It appeared as a brilliant new star moving silently across the heavens.

Primitive Tribesmen who were sitting huddled on the Cold Hillsides looked up from their steaming night drinks and pointed with trembling fingers, and swore that they had seen a sign, a sign from their Gods that meant they must now arise at last and go and slay the evil Princes of the Plains.

In the high turret of their palaces, the Princes of the Plains looked up and saw the shining star and received it unmistakably as a sign from their Gods that they must go an attack the accursed Tribesmen of the Cold Hillsides.

And between them, the Dwellers in the Forest looked up into the sky and saw the sign of the new star, and saw it with fear and apprehension, for though they had never seen anything like it before, they, too, knew precisely what it foreshadowed, and they bowed their heads in despair.

They knew that when the rains came, it was a sign.
When the rains departed, it was a sign.
When the winds rose, it was a sign.
When the winds fell, it was a sign.
When in the land there was born at the midnight of a full moon a goat with three heads, that was a sign.
When in the land there was born at some time in the afternoon a perfectly normal cat or pig with no birth complications, or even just a child with a retrousse nose, that, too, would often be taken as a sign.

So, there was no doubt at all that a new star in the sky was a sign of a particularly spectacular order.

And each new sign signified the same thing - that the Princes of the Plains and the Tribesmen of the Cold Hillsides were about to beat the hell out of each other again.

This in itself wouldn't be so bad, except that the Princes of the Plains and the Tribesmen of the Cold Hillsides always elected to beat the hell out of each other in the Forest, and it was always the Dwellers in the Forest who came off worst in these exchanges, though as far as they could see it never had anything to do with them." "Life, the universe and everything" p. 466


Some people know a SIGN when they see one. What, you think this stuff happens by accident? What are the odds of that? Like closing your eyes, throwing 1,000 darts and hitting 1,000 bullseyes.

[Dogtown]

32. No

Still unproven.

[hfojvt]

34. maybe pictures would be more convincing

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...