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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:07 PM
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Web designers: Would you use transparent PNG files?
Or stick to JPG and GIF files? :(

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targetpractice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:13 PM
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1. They come in very handy...
...and enable great visual designs, but you need to determine how much you want to hack your site to enable IE 6 support.

Fortunately, the requirements for web applications I've been involved with recently do not included supporting IE 6 users.

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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:14 PM
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2. Pardon my fortran, but IE6 sucks.
There is no reason why people shouldn't be using IE7 or, better yet, anything that isn't IE... :D
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targetpractice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:20 PM
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3. If you are doing any kind of commerce site...
...I believe that supporting IE 6 is not worth the time, because the population of IE 6 users is adverse to spending money (e.g., upgrading their OS, buying modern hardware, etc.)

However, if you are making an application for B2B or the enterprise market... You may find that some big corporate users are really slow to upgrade... So research your user base carefully.
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:51 PM
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9. Fortran 77?
:woohoo:

Fucking punch cards, though!
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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 08:17 PM
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15. Well, the only reason is "the customer is always right"...
...a year ago I redesigned a site for a customer, and they wanted drop-down menus. I did a variation of the Suckerfish menus, thinking I'd take care of any compatibility issues, and the customer said "My brother told me that the menus aren't lining up right." The brother (one of the business partners) was using IE6. Even if you can get a business owner to switch / upgrade their browser, they're STILL going to fret about any customers visiting the site with IE6.

SO...researching and implementing the hacks took longer than building the damned menus. BUT...the customer was happy.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:22 PM
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4. If I needed the transparent background
yes, in fact I done that in the past
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:24 PM
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5. Thanks for the input!
I might do PNG, then... Actually, the whole page would be comprised of PNG images. That might be technologically premature, however... :(

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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:28 PM
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6. You need transparency...use GIF
Transparent PNG files do not work in IE6 without causing a high CPU load.
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targetpractice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:35 PM
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7. Why support IE 6 in 2009?
Edited on Sun Aug-23-09 06:37 PM by targetpractice
Supporting IE6 only keeps it hanging around in the market and limits your ability to exploit modern web standards.

Upon edit: I realize that there are specific occasions when the business requirements demand supporting IE 6 because of an existing population of users. But for a new site for new users? Why?
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 07:14 PM
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10. 15% of Browsers are still IE6
Do you really want to limit your audience?
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targetpractice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 07:24 PM
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11. Yes... Because that 15% is not worth the extra cost in 2009.
Edited on Sun Aug-23-09 07:41 PM by targetpractice
Of course, the decision not to support IE 6 depends on the specific purpose of the web site...

But, developing for and supporting IE 6 is more expensive than sticking to modern web standards, and it limits what can be designed.

So, the real question is... Is it worth the extra cost to reach those 15%? Will they spend money on my site? What compromises are being made to support them.

Upon edit: I should mention that I'm thinking about interactive sites and web applications... For a political site, I may value that 15% more.
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ChromeFoundry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 07:41 PM
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12. I would present the figures to the client...
and let them decide if they want to limit their subscriber base by 15% or more because if an image format.

If you are making a website for personal use, do what ever you want. When it comes to decisions for a client site, it is ultimately the choice of the customer. When upgrading a site- look at the web logs to see what the current hit counts are coming from. If you have a lot of ie6 users, your customer service department is going to be very busy dealing with pissed off users... Moving to PNGs from GIFs at a later date is less than a no-brainer! Selecting an image format is not exactly coding for an obsolete browser.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 07:44 PM
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13. You're absolutely right. I completely agree. n/t
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targetpractice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 07:55 PM
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14. You're right... I was arguing beyond transparent PNGs...
IE 6 has significant issues beyond it's inability to render transparent PNGs (e.g., security, no CSS2 support, etc.)

I'd go further than looking at web-logs... I'd reach out to users if possible to understand why they are using IE6... maybe there are important reasons and maybe those are important users.

Finally, it wouldn't be good idea to simply kill IE6 support when upgrading a site. Users should get proper warning like YouTube, Facebook, Flikr and others are displaying to IE6 users that their favorite browser won't be supported in the future.
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kedrys Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:50 PM
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8. I would, and I do
No reason not to. Even my mom doesn't use IE6 anymore. As benchmarks go, that one works for me.
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