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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 02:16 AM
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I'm sorry. I like this picure
Edited on Fri Mar-05-04 02:19 AM by WilliamPitt


That was taken on the banks of the Hudson late last winter as the ice was going out. I think it's kinda cool. I use it all the time. All these 'professionals' tell me it isn't good, that it's too dark and morose or whatever, but I really like it.

Does it suck? Tell me I'm wrong, or right, or something. Should I get another one?

This is the whole picture:



Should I get another one, or what? Serious question.
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SoonerShankle Donating Member (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 02:19 AM
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1. It's an appropriate photo
dark, morose....no. Fitting for the times....yes. contemplative. I like it. It looks nice on the website.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 02:20 AM
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2. Yay! Thanks.
Welocme to DU! :)
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southerngirlwriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 02:20 AM
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3. Here's my honest opinion.
For what you do -- tell the truth about things that are rarely pleasant -- it's perfect.

If you were planning to use it to run with a column about how to have a happy birthday party or a how-to article about something light-hearted, I'd have another picture taken with more light and with a closer view of your face, and with a happier look on your face.

You asked for the truth. You got it. By the way, I'm a huge fan. :hi:
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 02:21 AM
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5. How to have a happy birthday party?
Hee. That'll be my next gig. :)

Thanks!
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 02:21 AM
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4. I like it!
You should photoshop a polar bear into the background.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 02:22 AM
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6. I should photoshop your tiny talking ass into the background
Right on my shoulder. Appropriate, yes?

:)
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 02:24 AM
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9. hey!
back off, ass-bandit! It's MINE!!!

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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 02:26 AM
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12. Just you wait. I'm gonna be a big time sellout star on NBC
and you'll turn on your TV, AND THERE I'LL BE WITH YOUR TINY ASS ON MY SHOULDER. AND YOU CAN'T STOP ME!!! MWWAAH HAH HAH HAH HAH!!!

Well, er, no. But it's funny to think about.
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Sufi Marmot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 02:27 AM
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15. And penguins...
Those ice floes are just calling out for some penguins. Sort of a Greek chorus in the background... :-)

-SM
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 02:28 AM
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16. "truthout...squalk!!...truthout...caw!!!...truthout...queep!!!"
Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmaybe...
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 02:22 AM
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7. There's something missing.
Edited on Fri Mar-05-04 02:24 AM by SMIRKY_W_BINLADEN
Do you have one with a flight suit? Maybe, I don't know a huge red, white and blue banner in the background. Yeah, that's it.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 02:23 AM
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8. Next time
I'll be sure to have a Bible tucked under my arm, too. King James version, of course...
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 02:24 AM
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10. That'sh right boy. Long live Texas Jesus, wooohoooo.
Edited on Fri Mar-05-04 02:27 AM by SMIRKY_W_BINLADEN
<Added wooohooo on edit.>
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 02:25 AM
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11. Depends on the use. It's not a 'typical' professional portfolio picture.
But it would be fine for a book dustcover. Got any others for comparison?
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 02:26 AM
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13. That's the problem
No. No I do not.
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 02:28 AM
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17. c'mon....
post a few tasteful nudes.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 02:30 AM
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20. Never mind
Edited on Fri Mar-05-04 02:31 AM by WilliamPitt
Bad idea jeans.
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Mobius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 06:55 AM
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40. I do think Id like the pick more if you were naked
:evilgrin:
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 02:33 AM
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21. Well then, it's the best one!
Edited on Fri Mar-05-04 03:07 AM by Dover
If you are exploring some new career options, though, it might be a good idea to have some photo options as well, for different situations.

But this one is a keeper imo and should work well for some purposes.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 02:26 AM
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14. Squinting into the bleak future. Looks good to me.
You can get a smiley one after the election. There will be a few days of euphoria till the full horror strikes.
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lazarus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 02:30 AM
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18. It's good
As others have said, it matches what you do.
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MichaelHarris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 02:30 AM
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19. wait....
Isn't that Rock Hudson and his Ice Station Zebra sub in the background? I woulda photoshoped it in but my dog is in my lap and he has a giant head. Also I suck at Photoshop.
Michael
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Zinfandel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 02:35 AM
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22. The close up's not bad...but I would go with a straw hat...kind of a
Edited on Fri Mar-05-04 02:51 AM by Zinfandel
Jimmy Buffet (in the snow) number with a Hawaiian shirt and a Margarita in hand (a nice doob :smoke: wouldn't hurt either) perhaps a bubblehead next to you...Man, people would take you seriously.
:toast:
They'd know you mean business!:evilgrin:

You opened yourself up for this one dude.
:bounce:
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 02:44 AM
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23. Maybe Annie Leibowitz does charity work
Edited on Fri Mar-05-04 02:44 AM by Dover
A photo for every professional situation....

http://www.art-forum.org/z_Leibowitz/Ip/AL_44.htm
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 02:45 AM
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24. Osama?
Edited on Fri Mar-05-04 02:45 AM by WilliamPitt
He looks so...sensitive.

He?
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 02:48 AM
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25. No.....yomama
lol!
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NightNurse Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 04:58 AM
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37. Will!? JUST GET YOUR Partiots-Luvin' Butt to PHILLY on 4/24!
That is all! Over and Out!
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 02:53 AM
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28. Thanks for showing me that before going to bed.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 03:03 AM
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31. The object is to bring out the different parts of your personality
The ice flow picture is contemplative and austere, but it doesn't let the viewer "inside". This one feels like a more personal moment of self examination that lets the viewer get into your skin....

http://www.art-forum.org/z_Leibowitz/Ip/AL_divine.htm

Or you could follow Ahhhhnold's lead....or steed:

http://www.art-forum.org/z_Leibowitz/Ip/AL_arnie.htm
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montana_hazeleyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 02:49 AM
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26. To me it makes me think of an intelligent , thoughtful man
who's not afraid to say what he thinks. The black and white is good.
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DemOverseas Donating Member (364 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 02:52 AM
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27. WSJ
Get that Wall Street Journal guy to do it in pixel format.......
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whirlygigspin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 02:57 AM
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29. nice pic handsome
wasn't Jane Fonda standing next to you in the original?

hmmm.
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Kool Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 02:57 AM
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30. I like this picture,
especially the larger version. You look like the last man left standing after the beginning of the next ice age. Or something. But seriously, it's a good pic. Serious and handsome.
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 03:28 AM
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32. You've got a nice Ernest Shackleton thing going in that pic...
I see no darkness or moroseness in that photo.

What do the pros want? A sunny pic of you lolling with a puppy? Or one with your chin thoughtfully resting on your hand, as you gaze off into the horizon?

However, submitted for possible research purposes, here's a gallery of writer's photos as submitted for author events at a Northern Calif. bookstore:

http://www.bookpassage.com/
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 03:59 AM
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33. some things to consider if you are taking new photos
done by a professional photographer if possible (not a passport photoshop).

close up headshot with and without glasses (tighter than the cropped one above).

smile/neutral/serious

take a change of clothing to the studio...dark and light shirt/jacket

one casual shot, one more formal

but no "seasonal" cues in the background or in your clothes

If you are resisting the usual chin-in-hand shots then figure out what feels natural. A good photographer is very helpful with exploring these choices.







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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 11:00 PM
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60. Wow, I have to go get photos done to go with press releases too
and I never knew any of that!

Hope it helps you too, Will. I like the photo both large and small, but do agree it's not for every purpose and you should have an arsenal of photos at your disposal.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 04:28 AM
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34. A Low-Cost Photo Shoot
I like the photo, too, but I can see how it might fall short of the "ideals" many people have for photography. A lot of them may be full of shit, but there are others who have a keen eye and can make useful suggestions.

Get a friend of yours who has some experience in "real" photography to shoot about a dozen rolls of film on you in all sorts of situations. It doesn't have to be done all at once -- over the run of a year or so is fine.

You'll end up with about 300 photos, of which 50 won't suck, and out of these, you should be able to find half a dozen that are truly excellent. They should last you for five or ten years, until you hit late youth/early middle age.

Also, if you become better known, make sure to exchange contact info with photographers and photojournalists (you may be doing this already).

One of these days, some high-assed member of the Commentariat is going to try to take a chunk out of your ass and come up missing several teeth. If you bloody the nose of someone like Bill O'Reilly or Bob Novak, you may have a lot of people taking your picture.

That photo is good because it has the mojo of gravitas, but it will be joined by many more. The William Rivers Pitt Fan Club will be pining for more pictures. Don't disappoint them!

--bkl
The local William Rivers Pitt Fan Club includes about a dozen "old broads" who have had your articles forced on them by my mother.
Congratulations -- you're up there with Tom Jones!

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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 04:37 AM
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35. Be daring.. (use a little photoshop) and BAM.. a pic they will talk about
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Paragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 04:40 AM
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36. Reminds me of the Rankin-Bass Christmas specials and "Elf"
Edited on Fri Mar-05-04 04:57 AM by Paragon
Riding ice floes is the only way to travel.
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lojasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 05:53 AM
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38. I like it
But it looks like you're squinting. maybe thinking "why am I moving away from the cameraman?....Oh shit, i'm floating away!"
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Mobius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 06:49 AM
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39. nice backround, you are a handsome guy, but
Edited on Fri Mar-05-04 06:50 AM by Mobius
you are squinting. Squinting is bad. I have done some professional photography, and you want to avoid the squint. The squint is only second to the one closed eye, in rank of photo avoidance. I'm sorry, I think your colleagues are correct.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 07:13 AM
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41. Next time you're in Cali
You should let my friend do your head shots. Ask Salin...he's a great photographer.

That pic is a good pic of you but it isn't a good professional headshot.
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VelmaD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 09:01 AM
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42. I don't think it does you justice
I mean, it's a nice picture and all, and I agree with everyone who says it looks all serious and everything...but it just fails to capture something about you. It doesn't have that energy that you have in person.

Plus you're way cuter than that. ;)
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 09:03 AM
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43. well, you do kinda look like your getting an snowball enema there
:D
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Melsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 09:11 AM
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44. I'd get another one
It looks like you are having digestive dificulties.
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SOteric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 09:12 AM
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45. I think the determinant is a matter of what it is
you're hoping to project.

I think it's a fine picture, though I'm informed you're a doll-baby and this is not perhaps the image this photo inspires.

Seriously though, it give the impression of a brooding east-coast intellectual. At least that's what I get. And for where you're at in your career, that's certainly been a fine image to nurture.

As you grow in your public persona, it's possible and even likely that you'll want a more polished and professional image to put forward.

I'm still thinking I look better than you in a dress, though.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 09:12 AM
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46. I like the Shakleford look, Will, HOWEVER
Edited on Fri Mar-05-04 09:21 AM by supernova
you are squinting... and the head portion is too far away. Thus it's hard to tell what you really look like. As VelmaD says, you're way cuter. :D

The background, lovely as it is, competes with you. My eyes wander to the ice flows. :crazy: So you need a headshot that is tighter.

Practice the "serious blank stare." You can look intense, powerful, intellectual, without looking stern. My friend here in my avatar is extremly good at this expression in stills.

I think NSMA's suggestion of Salin is a good one. Didn't know s/he is a photog. :thumbsup:

edit: As a casual portrait to have at home or give to friends, this one is fine.
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 09:16 AM
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47. That's a great photograph.
However, for your more scholarly endeavors, I suggest a portrait.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 09:25 AM
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48. I don't think it really looks like you. When I saw you in Tempe, you
were more attractive than that. Use it if you like, but it's just "off," somehow.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 09:26 AM
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49. Hey, I remember cropping that!!!!
someone else put the drop shadow in :hi:
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ewagner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 09:32 AM
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50. Just another 2 cents worth
Any pic should match with the audience and the message. At some point in time you will need another pic with a different tone to address a different (broader) audience. Probably should look into getting some more taken.
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SheWhoMustBeObeyed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 09:39 AM
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51. It isn't the squint per se,
it's that your eyes can't be seen. You're talking to people about important things, they want to look into your eyes and gauge you themselves. Windows of the soul and all that.

Keep the demeanor; keep the persona; get a new photo.
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twilight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 09:05 PM
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52. I like it
Reminds of "The Spy that Came in from the Cold" ... :D

:dem: :kick:
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 09:14 PM
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53. Makes you look like a grumpy old fart...
not that that's a bad thing. But you're a really cute guy and should have a photo that shows off your assets.
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asthmaticeog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 09:16 PM
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54. I'm a professional
and I'd use that in the publication I design. It is my professional opinion that the professionals who think it's too morose can get bent, I like moody, wintry shots, they convey seriousness. FWIW, I prefer the cropped one, though it could use a little more breathing room at the sides and top - it's usually my preference the the subject dominate the background, though the opposite can be attractive sometimes. If it were my call, I'd say don't shoot another one. It's a good shot by any measure, and YOU like it, and it's you that it exists to represent.
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Mobius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 02:41 AM
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65. nice shining/shrub pic
:applause:
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 09:19 PM
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55. I like it cause it speaks of the soul
I have several pictures of a dark, stormy Virginia Beach.

Storms are cool. Look at the calm that comes out of them.

Same as the ice packed river. Look at how nature thrives after the ice is gone. The ice is a beginning of a new cycle.

Keep it -- that's a good picture.
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populistmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 09:37 PM
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56. Looks fine to me
I think with the work you do, you need a picture where you do look a bit more serious. But I'd have to agree with Velma in the fact that you're cuter in person. :)
If you're going to re-do it though, stick with the serious look. I think that serious is necessary to a large extent, because these are serious times. Seriously.
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greendog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 10:23 PM
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57. Almost perfect....
....it would be much better if you were holding either a baseball bat or an assault rifle.
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Crewleader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 10:54 PM
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58. A updated picture of you would be great....
having various backgrounds of nature works.
If things are going good with the photographer who took it, keep it but if not change it and move on my friend.
You may just like a another image of yourself in the present which your friends will certainly support!

It would be good to have a few more different pics of yourself! :-)
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 10:57 PM
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59. It's got problems
It needs lighting up around the eyes. Your shirt isn't straight and the picture is underexposed.
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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 11:23 PM
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61. Where's your hat???
You'll catch your death of cold!
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Tom Yossarian Joad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 11:26 PM
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62. I've taken care of the squint for you and also believe I can get you some
Edited on Fri Mar-05-04 11:27 PM by Billy_Pilgrim
work at Quizno's. :toast:


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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 08:15 PM
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74. WE LIKE THA WILL
CAUSE HE IS CLOSE TO US!
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BigMcLargehuge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-05-04 11:56 PM
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63. three interpretations of will from BigMcLargehuge
Will n' Pal!



Will n' Big McLargehuge on recent vacation to Japan (thanks for the Sushi Will!)



Will visiting with Dr. Hidaka as Gamera bursts through the ice (off screen).


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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 09:10 AM
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69. That's hysterical Big!
Thanks for the laugh...:hi:
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 01:48 PM
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71. BWWWAAAAAAHHHH!!!!
Nice.
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maggrwaggr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 01:00 AM
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64. if you like it that much, it probably doesn't look that much like you
not that that's a bad thing .......

I think it's a good picture. Although I almost can't believe there's an entire thread started by you, about you.
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Mobius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 03:05 AM
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66. Will and Janet:
Come on, you know you wanted to see this :evilgrin:

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4323Lopez Donating Member (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 05:31 AM
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67. puts some penquins or seals in the background
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Obamarama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 09:08 AM
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68. A few Photoshop enhancements......
I made a few Photoshop enhancements that, in my humble opinion, help accentuate your natural good looks:

1) Lightened up your face
2) Lessened that "squinty" look and gave you eyes (All the better to see nefarious conservatives with...)
3) Warmed up the tones a little bit..sort of a sepia toned effect. I felt the original was too cold. Warm = inviting.
4) Blurred the landscape in the background. It was detracting too much from the subject of the photograph: YOU!
5) Got rid of the time/date stamp.
6) Added your name, website address.

If you want to use as a headshot only, it can easily be cropped. Soooooooooo...whaddaya think?


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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 01:48 PM
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70. I really really like the graphics
But my face area looks a little erased. Nice work, though! Thanks!
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Kamika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 01:50 PM
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72. "Prozac can help you too"
printed on the picture
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-06-04 02:19 PM
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73. you've got that pissy 'I loathe repukes' look goin'....
.....it's fittin' for what you're usin' it for....surely 'they' wouldn't want ya to look *happy-go-lucky* while spewin' vile at the right? :eyes:
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