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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:04 PM
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what kind of guns should I steal, er, buy?
I'm looking for maximum human stopping power and high rate of fire.





What?


It's my right!
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rcrush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:05 PM
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1. I'm all out of guns.
I even sold my air rifle.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:08 PM
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2. got any ammo laying around?
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rcrush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:10 PM
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4. Actually there was a small jar of bullets in the garage.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:11 PM
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5. is that the jar with all the miscellaneous screws, eyehooks and doodads in it too?
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rcrush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:13 PM
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7. Nope just bullets in this jar.
I dont know where it came from.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:13 PM
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8. maybe you could use them in your slingshot
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:09 PM
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3. Chain gun
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:11 PM
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6. what the hell is a chain gun?
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:34 PM
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9. ...
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 09:46 PM
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13. It's a great song by The Pretenders
Duh.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:21 PM
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26. I always knew Chrissie Hynde was a bad ass,
but that's friggin ridiculous
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wartrace Donating Member (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 09:26 PM
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10. Stealing isn't your right.
Whats your point, that criminals steal guns to commit crimes?
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 09:40 PM
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11. Psst...
He's being facetious.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:02 PM
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18. my only point is on the top of your head.
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:26 PM
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27. Chrissie Hynde is going to bust a cap in your ass if she hears you talking like that
Don't think she won't.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:28 PM
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29. 5 minutes with that thing
and my city was gone.
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wartrace Donating Member (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 06:38 PM
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52. I thought it was odd that you would post your plan to commit a felony.
Sorry if I don't find it humorous. I detest criminals.
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petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 02:47 AM
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39. Wart race? Do they have little jockeys, or drive little race cars?
:shrug:

;)
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wartrace Donating Member (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 06:34 PM
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51. No, its the name of the town I live near.
The name Wartrace evolved from Native Americans who used area trails as warpaths or war trails. In the early 1800's Andrew Jackson purchased a large tract of land from James Robertson that included the site of present day Wartrace. In 1813 Old Hickory is said to have carved "this is War Trail Creek" into a beech tree near the stream that bears the name Wartrace Creek today.

You may also be interested in our "claim to fame", we are home of the first grand champion Tennessee walking horse "Strolling Jim", the old guy is buried behind the Wartrace hotel.

I lost my original "handle" after I forgot my password so I decided on one that I could remember.

Now, as far as your theory of Warts racing? Very imaginative to say the least.
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petronius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 10:51 AM
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53. Cool history - I remember a lot of "Trace" names when we lived in LA,
and it took me a while to figure out the trail/path connection.

It's kind of funny that you chose that name - whenever I saw your old handle I read it as Waycross, and I assumed that was your town...
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wartrace Donating Member (920 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 06:00 PM
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56. This area has a lot of history.
The whole area I live in is part of the Tullahoma campaign during the civil war. The road I live on was a Federal line that overlooked a key road. People have found all kinds of artifacts around here. There is even a confederate cemetery where I get on the interstate to get to work. They were all killed at the Battle of Hoovers gap, the first engagement that the Union forces used Spencer repeating rifles.

I am thankful that the real estate boom has slowed down a bit, too much history was being covered up with subdivisions. A LOT of Tennessee has lost its southern charm but if you get far enough away from the sprawl & cities it still exists. (the good aspects)

My old handle was nothing in particular, just pulled out of thin air while trying to come up with something & that's why I didn't bother trying to get it back.
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 09:41 PM
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12. Kalashnikov. The assault rifle of the people.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:02 PM
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19. but I want something to use ON the people...
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 09:48 PM
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14. I saw a brand new semi-auto .45 rifle on some gungasm show
and it pretty much convinced me that the gun they were spotlighting was the one I'd buy if I were looking for maximum human/car/building stopping power.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:03 PM
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20. I'll try to find such a beast
and demo it.
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ghostsofgiants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 10:20 PM
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15. Also, despite the non-high rate of fire, get yourself a good shotgun as well, for the zombies.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:03 PM
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21. can't go far wrong with a sawed off shotgun
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 10:33 PM
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16. Here ya go, bring yer dough.


H&K MP5
The Heckler & Koch MP5 is a series of 9mm submachine guns used by the SAS for anti-terrorist (CRW) duties. Firing from a closed bolt, the MP5 is unusually accurate for a submachine gun, and can be used at ranges of up to 100 metres. Its convenient size and excellent handling make it ideal for confined spaces.

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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:04 PM
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22. yeah, but that'd just be showing off
besides, if I use my checkbook, they'll identify me sooner.
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midnight armadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 10:40 PM
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17. Here is the one you want.
GAU-8. Ammo might be a bit pricey though. However, after you're done shooting people you'll be able to bury the remains in sandwich bags.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:05 PM
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23. holy crap!
Edited on Fri Dec-05-08 11:05 PM by leftofthedial
how can people invent such things?


looks to me like you could use snack bags.
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:55 PM
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36. to destroy tanks, mainly
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Orrex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:28 PM
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28. Or you can just let the remains drain into the topsoil
:puke:
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:53 PM
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35. I was just going to post that
30mm rotary cannon, 3,900 rounds per minute.
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Lil Missy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:05 PM
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24. A semi-automatic should suffice. Good for hunting too. n/t
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:11 PM
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25. that way you can get a whole herd of deer at once
saves time
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:29 PM
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30. well, for handguns with stopping power:

Colt python w/ hunting scope- can stop a bear with the right load


Colt 1911 Government Model .45 ACP. It has a 5" barrel and a laser sight installed; great for Black ops, silencer readily available via gundungeon.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:41 PM
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31. neither of those is for the limp wristed
I daresay.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:42 PM
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33. two hands good
definitely
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Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:42 PM
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32. I am all about the oozie!
:P
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:44 PM
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34. oozie, like green slime?
Edited on Fri Dec-05-08 11:44 PM by Capn Sunshine
or Uzi , like Israeli automatic weapon? :)

That reminds me, is there still a gun dungeon here ?
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Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 12:06 AM
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37. Man I am an idiot! Uzi!
You know, you can only try.

I don't do guns btw, not that that gives me a freebie on the spelling. D'oh!
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 12:01 PM
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44. Better see a doctor for that
He'll give you some cream for that oozie.
















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TK421 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 12:14 AM
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38. Maximum human stopping power? Talk to Dirty Harry...he's got a gun for 'ya!
Edited on Sat Dec-06-08 12:15 AM by TK421
the Magnum...enough said

edited to add: a 44 Magnum...that would blow your head clean off
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 11:50 AM
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41. do ya feel
lucky?

do ya?
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 11:00 AM
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40. Easy. Atomic Cannon.
Edited on Sat Dec-06-08 11:02 AM by hunter
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 11:51 AM
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42. can we use that on everyone who pronounces it "nukular"?
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but siriusly folks Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 11:56 AM
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43. You don't have a "right" to kill others (or "stop" them)...don't tell me about laws, either
There used to be a law that it was okay for some human beings to own others. There used to be a law that if you had a va-jay-jay, you weren't allowed to vote. So bring it to me with ethnics and not some stoopid law.

There is the law of karma.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 12:10 PM
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45. I don't believe in 'karma', though.
Unless this is 'karma'. Then you may have a point, and I might just believe.

Cops: Cape Girardeau woman kills man who returned to rape her second time

By Heather Ratcliffe
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
10/31/2008

An intended rape victim shot and killed her attacker this morning in Cape Girardeau when he broke into her home to rape her a second time, police said.

The 57-year-old woman shot Ronnie W. Preyer, 47, a registered sex offender, in the chest with a shotgun when he broke through her locked basement door.
The woman told police he was the same man who raped her several days earlier. Officials do not intend to seek charges against her.

In the first incident, the woman heard glass breaking in her basement about midnight on Saturday. She went to leave the house, and the man attacked when she opened the front door. He punched her in the face and then forced her into a bedroom, where he raped her, said H. Morley Swingle, prosecuting attorney in Cape Girardeau County.

The victim reported the crime to police, and her landlord repaired the broken window.

She was home alone again Friday about 2:15 a.m. when Preyer broke the same basement window. The victim was awake watching television, when Preyer switched off the electricity to her house.

She tried to call 911, but couldn't because the power was off. She got a shotgun and waited as the man began banging on the basement door. She fired when Preyer came crashing through the door. When Preyer collapsed, the woman escaped and went to a neighbor's home, where she called police. Officers, who arrived within a minute, found a bleeding Preyer stumbling away from the house. He was taken to St. Francis Medical Center, where he died several hours later.

Swingle said the victim identified Preyer as the attacker in both incidents. Preyer, of Jackson, Mo., had wet caulking from the recently repaired basement window on his clothing when he was shot.

"I will not be filing any sort of charge against this 57-year-old woman, who was clearly justified under the law in shooting this intruder in her home," Swingle said.




Don't tell me that woman didn't do the right thing.






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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 12:34 PM
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47. but my karma ran over my dogma
you mean it was the law!

That's a twisted law. Is that like old testament karma?
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pokerfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 01:18 PM
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48. I think one has a right to defend oneself
Regardless of what the law states.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 02:23 PM
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50. No, there is no law of karma.
Like the rest of religion, it is wholly made-up.

And one does have a right to defend oneself and ones family from felonious assault with lethal force. Sorry, but the life of a crack-head breaking into my house or accosting me on the street is worth less than my life or that of my wife.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 02:20 PM
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49. Thompson submachinegun.
At close range it is difficult to think of a more effective man-stopped. It shoots .45 caliber pistol ammunition and if my memory serves me right, its rate of fire is 800 rds./minute.

A machine gun permit requires an extensive background check and a big fee. Apart from its illegality, you cannot steal one. Their possession is too tightly regulated.

In terms of what really is legally available under Federal law at least, the AK-47 is probably your best choice. The civilian-legal versions have no "rate of fire" because they require a separate trigger squeeze for each shot. Their .30 caliber rounds have great stopping power, more than the U.S. 5.56mm, but over a more limited range than U.S. .30 cal. They are inexpensive and indestructible. Loaded with frangible ammunition, they are suited for home defense. The regular full metal jacket rounds are good for the rifle range and for pest control over open range, but will go right through an assailant, the wall and your neighbor's house.

Obviously, it is too big for concealed carry. I suggest a smallish 9mm or .40 cal. pistol or a 5-shot revolver for that.
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machI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 11:24 AM
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54. 45 Longslide with laser sighting
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sohndrsmith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 11:55 AM
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55. any kind you'd be willing to have an intruder use on you nt
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 06:17 PM
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57. Go for the gusto, leftofthedial...


The Russian 2S7 "Pion" self-propelled gun fires a 203mm artillery shell. If you use rocket-assisted rounds, you can ruin the day of anyone within 31 miles of you. They made over a thousand of these, so there should be a few available on the black market. Be careful, though: all the controls are marked in Russian.
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 11:14 AM
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58. Sorry, rate of fire is limited by the National Firearms Act, no cyclic weapons allowed.
One shot per trigger pull is all you get, unless you want to apply for Federal authorization to own a NFA Title 2/Class III restricted automatic weapon. Be prepared to shell out $17,000 or so for a civilian-transferable AK-47, assuming the Feds grant you a Form 4.

Outside those parameters, a .73 caliber (12-gauge) shotgun is the most lethal of NFA Title 1 civilian firearms; a single shell of 000 buckshot is equal to a long burst from a Title 2 restricted Uzi submachinegun.
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