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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 03:24 PM
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My doctor really tried to push a flu shot on me
At the end of my check-up she asked me if I had gotten a flu shot to which I replied no. She said I should get one because "once you are diagnosed with asthma the flu can hit you harder and you will be sick longer." Then she left and said she'd see me in 4 months (she's really fucking needy) and told me to wait there for somebody. So I wait, and wait and finally a nurse enters with a flu shot for me.

I inform her that I don't want one. She was surprised but said ok. Now I could leave but on the way out the doctor calls me into her office and says, "I thought we discussed you getting a flu shot."

I responded, "Sure we did but I didn't say I wanted one. Besides, those things cause autism."

She was disappointed in me. So fucking pushy with the flu shots. :eyes:

ps: She was also upset when she found out my lung test went well and that my lungs were fine. She pretty much intimated it was the meds she gave me and I had a lucky day. I think she really wanted my lungs to show something bad.
:eyes:
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 03:25 PM
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1. they're desperate, just dropped the price to $15 here for the shots
Edited on Fri Dec-05-08 03:25 PM by pitohui
as i've already had the flu itself, tho, i don't need to worry, do i?

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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 01:38 PM
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100. most doctors aren't making anymore money off flu shots
most would make more if you actually got sick and needed treatment.

these kind of careless, offhand remarks really bother me and mainly because they are so poorly reasoned and so poorly informed.

most general practitioners don't make big time money and most aren't making it for giving flu shots.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 04:42 PM
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121. i'm just stating the facts, ma'am
Edited on Sat Dec-06-08 04:42 PM by pitohui
there is a big sign on the hwy announcing flu shots for $15, with the numeral one clearly painted over the former numeral "2" that used to be there for all these beers and years

i don't know or care who profits from selling these things, but i seriously doubt they're being done as a public service



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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 03:26 PM
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2. maybe you annoy her and she just wants to give you more pain.
i think my new doc feels this way about me, so i am in search of a newer doc
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Symarip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 03:28 PM
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3. I get sick less without a flu shot
When I was in the Navy, I'd get a flu shot twice a year and I swear I was sick on average 8-10 times per year, each time for about 2-4 days. Every subsequent year since being out I get less and less sick. This last year, I was only sick twice for maybe a day each time.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 03:29 PM
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4. I get sick occasionally but nothing major
If I were 40 years older I'd probably get one I guess. :shrug:
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 03:38 PM
Response to Reply #4
7. !
:o

Are you saying 40 is elderly?

:spank:
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Symarip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 03:39 PM
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9. 40 years OLDER
Not old.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 03:41 PM
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11. Oops. Nevermind.
:blush:
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 03:45 PM
Response to Reply #7
13. No, 40 years older
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 01:22 PM
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96. Maybe she just wanted to tutch your but.
:shrug:
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 04:29 PM
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118. Skipped biology class, eh?
Flu shots prevent the particular form of influenza that they are formulated against. They do not prevent anything other than the particular strains of flu. It does not prevent colds, gout, scabies or anything else.

Have you considered that you get sick less because you are no longer in the Navy? If you were on ship you were in close contact with lots and lots of people under less than ideal sanitary conditions? Or if you were on base you are in contact with people coming in from all over the world?

The flu is not a bad cold. It wipes you out from ten to thirty days.

Bottom line: your evidence of the inefficacy of influenza vaccinations leaves everything to be desired.

(I got mine today. $25 bucks. Cheap by any standard.)
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 03:30 PM
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5. Sniffa..;.
Please don't start that bullshit about flu shots and autism. Plus actually you do know that for many doctors the shots are given at a LOSS? Especially the flu shot. Right now, because so many people don't want to spend the money, I think its going to be a really bad season. I've already heard about early cases and the possibly lethal pneumonia that go along with it for some people.
The flu manufacturers actually got their shots out early this year, so there is no shortage. If you have respiratory ailments you SHOULD be getting a shot. Thats what the doc is upset about.
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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 03:40 PM
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10. Are you getting one?
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Patiod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 03:52 PM
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14. Flu CAN indeed wreak havoc on asthmatics
Plus, I don't think there's ever been a single documented case of adult-onset autism.

I also doubt your doctor was "mad" that your asthma looked better. She was probably just HARRIED, as doctors tend to be.

(I'm not encouraging you to get the shot, necessarily - you have to make that determination for yourself - but just thinking that you might go a little easier on your physician....)
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 04:05 PM
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15. "I've already heard about early cases and the possibly lethal pneumonia"
Quit you're fear mongering.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 01:46 PM
Response to Reply #15
101. pnemonia is lethal
a colleague of mine in Virginia has pneumonia and if he were to get the flu his life would be in great danger.

it's not fear mongering to talk about the dangers of pneumonia and flu to an asthmatic. they are dangerous enough to people without health conditions.
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 04:41 PM
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23. Flu shots cause autism?
That's a new one.

I think you're confusing the minority theory that some vaccinations, if not properly cleansed, might contribute to autism. Given how many kids are vaccinated every year, who knows? Maybe there's some validity to it.

But, a flu shot causing autism?

Come on. You must know better than that.

And why is your doctor "fucking needy" for wanting to see you in 4 months if you're asthmatic?
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 04:45 PM
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25. I was joking about the needy part
I think she really just wants to line her pockets with my $10 co-pays. I just saw her a month ago and she wants to see me in the Spring because she expects my lungs to be bad due to spring allergies.
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 04:48 PM
Response to Reply #25
27. She sounds like a responsible
and conscientious doctor.

You're lucky to have her. Asthma is a serious condition that requires monitoring.
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Maine-ah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 01:38 PM
Response to Reply #27
99. ditto that. It's how my Dad died.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 06:35 PM
Response to Reply #23
55. Psst. T LaB, over here.
It's sniffa. He's just being sniffa. It's why we love him.

:rofl:
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 07:47 PM
Response to Reply #55
58. I don't know sniffa
Is there something I should know?
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 07:57 PM
Response to Reply #58
59. Don't you know who I am?
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 09:04 PM
Response to Reply #59
65. You're sniffa
I'm Tangerine LaBamba.

Now what?
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 10:17 PM
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68. "the shots are given at a LOSS?"
Edited on Fri Dec-05-08 10:21 PM by JackBeck
Could you please elaborate?

I'm trying to figure out the loss/benefit relationship.
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:28 PM
Response to Reply #68
78. = not profitable for the pharmaceutical companies
We learned all about this in Health Economics this semester. Vaccines = nor profitable for manufacturers. They're more keen on expensive drugs for chronic conditions. Sad, but true.

:hi:
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 01:49 PM
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102. lots of things in a general practitioners's practice are done at a loss
many of them have one staff member dedicated to wrangling with insurance companies. in other words, this is a person who often full time, has to fight the insurance companies to get the doctor paid for treatment ALREADY provided. many times, doctors do not get paid for things already provided for.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 03:37 PM
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6. What is up with that?
I thought it was the elderly and children / infants that were supposed to get them, and now everybody and their grandma is all GET A FLU SHOT!

:wtf:
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lizziegrace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 04:13 PM
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17. Or if you're in a specific groups
Those with compromised immune systems, asthmatics, people with COPD and others.

I've had asthma since I was 2. A case of the flu almost killed me 10 years ago. I get a flu shot every year. My airways shut down so fast I didn't have time to go to the doctor. I went to the hospital in a squad.
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alarimer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 04:13 PM
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18. Because you can spread it to people who are really vulnerable to it.
Herd immunity only works if most people (say 95%) are vaccinated. The flu shot is different though because they have to make an educated guess as to the strain and sometimes they are wrong.

I have not yet gotten one myself but I would if my doctor recommended it.
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 04:43 PM
Response to Reply #6
24. No, those are the highest-risk groups,
but everyone's encouraged to get a flu shot.

I got them in my teens, 'way back when needles were first invented. Before that, they just used to pound the vaccine into your skin with a big rock. It hurt.
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DeepBlueC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 06:01 PM
Response to Reply #6
43. see post #42
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Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:14 PM
Response to Reply #6
71. Don't forget the pregnant.
It was almost mandatory to get one when I was preggers (not really but strongly encouraged).
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:59 PM
Response to Reply #71
83. Yeah...
I was just talking to this lady I know who's a nurse, and she agreed with me that over the past 10-15 years they've been pushing flu shots harder and harder. I'm not going to share her fearmongering reason why though (the coming pandemic).
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Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 12:14 AM
Response to Reply #83
86. Oh noes!!!!
x(
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FloridaJudy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 03:39 PM
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8. I always get one
The two winters I didn't I got the flu, and it was really, really sucky (think ER for a breathing treatment). So far they've worked for me, and I'm no more mentally weird than usual - which is plenty. YMMV. Doctors have the obligation to recommend treatment, but it's up to the patient to decide if they want it.

She may have thought you were kidding when you mentioned autism. It's not something you can get as an adult. The shot can have other nasty side effects in people over the age of puberty, but not that one.
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 12:39 PM
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89. Same here......
In the last decade or so I neglected to get a flu shot twice, and both years I got frighteningly sick with the flu. I never forget anymore.

I don't understand the anti-flu shot mania. Time was the shots didn't work very well. But with advanced computer tracking they are able to pinpoint which viruses will be problematic (and put them in the vaccines) with much greater accuracy. The shots work great for me, and I am grateful for them.
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Ava Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 03:43 PM
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12. i've never gotten a flu shot
and i've only had the flu once. i have friends that get the flu shot every year and get sick every year.
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Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:17 PM
Response to Reply #12
73. Getting sick and having the flu are different.
Lots of times people think they have the flu and don't.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 04:10 PM
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16. Always get one and a pneumonia shot too.
I never got sick from either and haven't had the flu in a verrryyyy looooooong time.

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nickgutierrez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 04:19 PM
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19. They don't really cause autism.
Edited on Fri Dec-05-08 04:20 PM by antiwarwarrior
That aside, you'll (probably) be fine without the flu shot (assuming the respiratory problems are sorted out).
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 04:33 PM
Response to Reply #19
22. Who am I to believe, you are Jenny McCarthy?
I don't see you on my tv.
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 04:22 PM
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20. D00d, you aren't going to get Autism
and there is no evidence that confirms that connection, although I'm not convinced it doesn't.

Also the flu shot I took had no thimersol in it, no mercury preservatives

flu sucks

shots might prevent it

pneumonia sucks, have you had it? I have had it numerous times.

Flu shots I get are free where I work, but not getting one, while your right, might not be the best decision...

just sayin

:hi:
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 04:24 PM
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21. I can't stand when doctors don't listen.
:(
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 04:48 PM
Response to Reply #21
29. Actually,
she seems to have a set diagnosis/treatment for me and the lung test (which showed my lungs perfectly normal) seemed to throw her off. She insists I'll be back in 4 months not able to breathe or sooner now because I refused her autism shot.
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GCP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 09:35 PM
Response to Reply #29
133. ROFL - "I refused her autism shot"
That's a good line - but having had the flu once - when I was a young and healthy 24 year old, I wouldn't be quite so cavalier. It knocked me and my husband on our asses for a week. Having asthma would make it much worse IMHO.
She was looking after your interests, autism-man!
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 01:52 PM
Response to Reply #21
103. if sniffa had said "No, I don't want it" then you could say they didn't listen
But he didn't say that.

Hard to blame the doc.

Our system is not set up for a G.P. to recommend something, then get a blank response and have to pry whether or not it's wanted or not.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 02:34 PM
Response to Reply #103
106. Sorry, I expect to be asked before someone injects me with something
or to extract something either. If she had asked me if I wanted the flu shot or even told me she was sending in a nurse to give me one I would have said no obviously.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 03:30 PM
Response to Reply #106
112. the doctor recommended it
it's not like it was forced on you.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 03:34 PM
Response to Reply #112
114. I know
And I declined.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 03:51 PM
Response to Reply #114
117. Look I'm sorry to give you hard time on this
I was reacting to the over critical treatment towards a doctor who is just doing a job and in the course of doing that gave you some advice and treatment that was well founded.

I was also reacting to the too lightly given quip about flu shots causing autism as well as your comment downthread about pneumonia warnings being "fear-mongering" in order to make people rich.

After that kind of talk, color me skeptical about your observations.

That said, I was not there, I'm judging you based on what you've said here, not only how you described the situation but how you described other things that I can judge the veracity of.

I hope it's not a huge deal since I tend to agree with you on everything else.
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 04:40 PM
Response to Reply #117
120. You lost your funny bone...
If you haven't figured out that he's kidding yet, well...cash money, I guess. :shrug:

:rofl:
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 07:28 PM
Response to Reply #120
127. well i didn't
i knew there must be some good use for that sarcasm thingy. :rofl:

to be fair, i'm not the only one who missed the "joke".
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LeftyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 03:02 PM
Response to Reply #103
107. A non-response isn't exactly informed consent, either.
Personally I'd look for a doctor with better communication skills.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 03:33 PM
Response to Reply #107
113. well i wasn't there
but getting a firm yes or no would have been appropriate.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 04:47 PM
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26. She sounds like a pill pusher.
Most likely bought out by Big Pharma to suppress your healthier results in order to make the drug companies wealthier. Have you ever read or seen the movie 'Valley of the Dolls'? If you haven't seen the movie, it's a documentary about a country addicted to pills. Hello? Totally what's going on right now!

And the flu shot? God only knows what those preservatives do to our unborn great grand children. Stay away from them. You made the right choice, sniffa.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 04:53 PM
Response to Reply #26
31. Big Pharma, Big Flu and Big Autism
I'm not going to be a pawn in their carnie scam.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 05:18 PM
Response to Reply #31
35. Snake oil salesmen the whole lot of 'em.
The next time she has that attitude with you, kindly inform her that you pay her rent and you could easily take your business elsewhere.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 05:23 PM
Response to Reply #35
39. I'm waiting for Midlo to get here
She knows what's up.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 06:08 PM
Response to Reply #39
45. Like she'll be any help.
I know for a fact that she's in the pocket of Big Pharma. And don't even get me started about her alleged husband and this phony story she's been weaving about having children. If only the rest of them knew the truth...

But back to this whole flu shot thing...you do realize that it's all just a mathematical projection that the strain of flu that will eventually reach the U.S will actually be the same one you're receiving the shot for in the first place? There are so many mutated flu strains out there it's not even funny.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 12:11 PM
Response to Reply #45
88. HEY!!!!! LeftyMom MET them!!!!
but the Big Pharma part is true. :blush:
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 01:55 PM
Response to Reply #31
104. you fell for a bigger scam
Edited on Sat Dec-06-08 01:56 PM by CreekDog
if you think the people who told you all those things aren't scamming you that is. (flu shots causing autism, just being a way to make money, etc.)

and you worry about fear mongering --come on Sniffa.

you have to weigh the evidence on each side of what you are hearing.

the risks of flu, the benefits of flu shots, the risks of pneumonia and the treatment of said conditions are well documented.

the risks of flu shots, the connection to autism, while theoretically possible are not well documented at all.

on balance, when you make decisions, you should be weighing evidence and you don't choose the option with the flimsy evidence against that with substantial evidence. at least you don't and then pride yourself on not being taken.
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 04:48 PM
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28. You might want to look into this:
Edited on Fri Dec-05-08 04:49 PM by hedgehog
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...


BTW, why do you bother going to see a doctor if you don't trust the doctor's judgement? IMO, you should get a doctor you trust and quit wasting this doctor's time.


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Zornhau Donating Member (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 04:53 PM
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30. Dude, flu shots are not going to cause autism
That's just total bullshit and insulting. :grr:
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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 05:07 PM
Response to Reply #30
32. Maybe not autism,
but it has been documented that an annual flu shot increases the chance for alzheimer's. And they are barely effective for what they are made for. And furthermore, if the poster doesn't want a flu shot, then maybe we should respect that decision.
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Zornhau Donating Member (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:06 PM
Response to Reply #32
69. it's fine with me that he's not getting one
I haven't gotten one for the last couple years either, it doesn't matter one way or the other to me. I just don't want to see more mis-information around autism spread around.
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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 05:11 PM
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33. I'm proud that you refused, if that's what you want.
Patients have the right(still) to refuse shots. Cheers to you. I am a big believer in natural meds, and preventing outbreaks in the first place. A pumped up immune system is what is needed, and with no adverse side effects!!!
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latebloomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:50 PM
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64. I agree
Vaccines take a toll upon the body, with the chemicals and animal products they contain. Much better to build up your own natural immunity.
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 05:13 PM
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34. You're a bad, bad boy Sniffa.
:rofl:
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 05:19 PM
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36. I'm glad Big Flu hasn't gotten to you either
On the plus side they wasted one flu shot. One less person to be exposed to an unnecessary risk.
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 05:21 PM
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37. I think this conspiracy needs to be national news.
I also think that Lee Mercer should come forward and lend his considerable credibility to the "Eff You Big Flu" movement. All three.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 05:59 PM
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41. Jeb Bush was in the pocket of Big Pharma
He profits when he's all up in your house with disease.
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 06:05 PM
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44. I KNEW IT!
Also, I am convinced that Hillary's hush-hush Black Ops Ninja Squad has been spreading flu via chemtrails, JUST to feed the PharmaFluAutism industrial complex thingamabob.

:tinfoilsurgicalmask:
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 05:23 PM
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38. I received a flu shot and a pneumonia shot yesterday...
but our situations are probably different
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rcrush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 05:26 PM
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40. I used to get the flu even when I would get a flu shot.
Now I just use the flu as an excuse to not do shit for 2 weeks.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 06:14 PM
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47. You were probably exposed to the flu before you were inoculated. n/t
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Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:18 PM
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74. Hopefully you are alone when you have it.
It is very easy to spread as we all should know.

It kills some people. It shouldn't be taken so lightly.
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DeepBlueC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 06:00 PM
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42. Flu shot for you protects a lot of other people as well
It's a "public" health measure. The medical community not only wants to spare high risk people from complications of influenza but they want to prevent as many people as they can from unwittingly transmitting the virus to other people, a number of whom many be infants, elderly, or medically vulnerable. You may get over the flu but the grandmother who caught it from you may die and you may never know about that. Some studies have shown that the elderly do not always get as much immunity as would be ideal from their own immunization, so it is helpful if the population surrounding them is immunized. In general the immunity of every individual is improved if the surrounding population is immunized.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 06:17 PM
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48. Absolutely right. Staying home when you are sick is also helpful to

other people. Nobody wants to get whatever you've got.

And, sniffa, asthma is a serious chronic condition, so your doctor is being responsible by seeing you every three or four months. A lot of poor people with asthma would love to see a doctor for a $10 co-pay.
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 06:20 PM
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49. Funny thing is, the Pulmonary testing person
doesn't think he actually has asthma, based on his lung tests. He tested better than non-smokers on some of them. It all started when we got the second cat.

Oh, and we're not wealthy, btw.
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SPKrazy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 09:59 PM
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66. Asthma is always serious
I was always told when I was young I had "mild asthma" I have allergies. Most of the time my pulmonary function tests have been great. Allergies set mine off. Whatever causes the asthma, its important to avoid it. If it is a cat, then either allergy shots or getting rid of the cat or Sniffa I guess. But there is NO SUCH THING as MILD ASTHMA all asthma can kill, and if he is obstructed by allergies, or other airway disease, he is more vulnerable to pulmonary infections, influenza causes pulmonary obstruction to some degree, and with someone who is compromised to any degree, it can make it worse.

Honestly bi-baby, I lurve ya man, and I'm not being a hypo here, get a flu shot.
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:33 PM
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79. Well, they don't care to test him for allergies, they
just want to pump him up with 2 asthma drugs and 1 allergy drug (Advair, Albuterol, and Loratadine).

And he does great on those. BUT:

Treat the symptoms, don't bother to find out the cause... yawn. He was *fine* until we got the 2nd cat (symptoms started less than a week after she got here), but they don't seem to think that's an issue. Pardon my lack of faith in these particular medical people.

:)

And when you score better than most non-smokers on a pulmonary test, I think they should look at the differential diagnoses. YMMV.
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BuddhaGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 01:04 PM
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92. my mother has been asthmatic for years
and always gets a flu shot, and a pneumonia shot....she gets sick EVERY year.

Flu shots don't always work. I don't buy into this fearmongering crap about flu shots.


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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 06:26 PM
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51. Poor people like this poor woman
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hedgehog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 06:48 PM
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57. Staying home when you're sick is NOT an option for a lot of people.
Heck, staying home when one of the kids is sick is even less of an option for a lot of people! The worst part is that people in that situation tend to not have the money or the time to get a flu shot, either!
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:03 PM
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60. If possible, sick people should stay home. People who are

sick show up at parties and other events they don't have to attend.

A lot of people also go to work sick when they have sick days they could use.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:09 PM
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61. Some people don't have sick time
Like me. Think about poor people like me.
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DemBones DemBones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:12 PM
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62. I said IF POSSIBLE. nt
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 01:37 PM
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98. And some of us have no sick days and no health insurance
so we come to work anyway and cough all over everything because we are afraid of being fired if we miss a day of work. That's life in the real world.
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Redstone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 06:13 PM
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46. Get the shot. Or at least get a Pneumovax shot if you haven't had one. Really.
Edited on Fri Dec-05-08 06:15 PM by Redstone
Years ago, I asked our son's pediatrician how he managed to stay healthy, being around sick kids all the time. He told me that the pneumonia vaccine worked not only agains pneumonia, but also against other bacterial respiratory diseases.

He really does believe that the Pneumovax is what has kept him healthy. And he's a damn good doctor.

I got one, and my arm hurt for a week, but I haven't had a single URI since then, ten years ago.

Redstone
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:24 PM
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75. Good advice.
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BreweryYardRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:36 PM
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81. Hey, thanks for the advice!
Certainly can't speak for sniffa, but I'll definitely go get one. I've got the world's worst sinuses, so anything that can cut my risk of respiratory diseases is a good choice for me.

Now, are pneumonia shots once a year, or once every few years, or what?
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 06:26 PM
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50. OMG.
'those things can cause autism'.

:rofl:

Dude. You are killing me. And, why didn't you get your flu shot at Wal Mart? Low, low prices. :rofl:
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 06:32 PM
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53. The Wal Mart here is dangerous
They loot white women there.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 06:34 PM
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54. My God? Still?
I can't believe that is still going on. Are you sure they're looters and not victims?

:rofl:
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 06:44 PM
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56. They could be foragers
:shrug:
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Inspired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 06:28 PM
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52. I've had an annual flu shot and now I'm rarely sick....knock on wood.
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sarcasmo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 08:16 PM
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63. If possible I think I would find another Doctor.
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madeline_con Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 10:03 PM
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67. You need to shop for another MD. n/t
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Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:12 PM
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70. Maybe you need a new doc. I trust my doc,so when he tells me to
Edited on Fri Dec-05-08 11:12 PM by Shell Beau
do something, I always know it is in my best interest and not his. Not that I am not willing to question him, but I do trust him 100%.

I am also for the flu shot. It may not be for everyone, but it works lots of the time. And the less flu going around the better.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:33 PM
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80. I think the shot is right for some segments
and anyone who wants them.

I've never had one and I may have caught the flu once in my life (it was really bad and I actually missed almost 2 days - about 3 years ago - because of it which is big because I don't miss work due to illness; hangover yes, but not illness).
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Shell Beau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 12:04 AM
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84. Yeah that damned ole hangover kicks the flu's ass.
I'd rather have the flu except it's contagious.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:16 PM
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72. True story
My dentist created cavities in my teeth with the little sharp pointy tool he had.

14 years with no cavities, go to this dentist, he pokes one of my wisdom teeth(never had them pulled), and another tooth and says well they should be pulled they are to far back to clean. I feel the poke. In a couple months I have two cavities.

Going to the dentist as a kid, I got probably 15 cavities, not going to the dentist, I have not gotten one cavity. Not a single one.

I think some doctors and dentist are no different then the auto mechanic telling you they got to do work that is not needed, or only wants to create work for themselves.

Not all of them, but some of them are.

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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:25 PM
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76. Plenty of ailing people in places such as Bangladesh.
She might look into that, if she's insistent upon staying busy.
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:25 PM
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77. Doppelganger.
Edited on Fri Dec-05-08 11:28 PM by Peake
I shall use this double post to provide a link to a search going nowhere.

http://www.google.com/search?q=epihaloosa&hl=en&ie=ISO-...
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TK421 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-05-08 11:38 PM
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82. They gave me one when I had ankle surgery.....I STILL got it!
Edited on Fri Dec-05-08 11:53 PM by TK421
what does THAT tell you? Yeah, I think those things are pretty fucking worthless anyway.

I'm sorry to hear about your lungs....I was hoping she would tell you that they were pretty fucked up and you had a life expectancy of maybe two years ( fucking nimrod nurse-wannabe doctors )

edited to add: the sarcasm part about your lungs....I've had really shit-ass nurses myself
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 12:13 AM
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85. I got autism when I had my flu shot.
I have been enjoying the spinning, though.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 12:06 PM
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87. I'm sorry for you
Word needs to get out about this.
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 04:00 AM
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140. i had 24 hour autism
but my driving was excellent nonetheless. :think:
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Lucian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 12:50 PM
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90. I'm not convinced flu shots even work.
I've never had one that worked before. And at $25/shot, imagine how much money the big pharmas are making.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 01:06 PM
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93. Actually, not as much as you would think and they don't necessarily
prevent the flu, but they often reduce symptoms.


Flu shots are an absolutely necessity for someone like my husband. It's a just in case, kind of thing.
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undeterred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 12:53 PM
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91. The flu shot gives you immunity for last seasons flu.
Edited on Sat Dec-06-08 12:54 PM by undeterred
When they develop a shot for this seasons flu, I'll get one.
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midnight armadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 09:55 PM
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135. That's just pure ignorance
You should educate yourself before posting such drivel. Each year the flu varieties developing in southeast Asia are studied and scientists predict which of them will spread. These are the ones the vaccine is developed against. Last year's prediction wasn't very good, so the flu shot gave only partial protection.

My wife has scarring in her lungs from a case of the flu from last year, and that was with the vaccine reducing the severity of symptoms. Influenza, that is, the real flu, is not to be fucked with.

The flu shot is an easy way to spare yourself what may be a seriously nasty week or two (or worse) of illness.
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Heidi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 01:15 PM
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94. He's your pusher!
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PfcHammer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 01:17 PM
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95. Is this the same chick that was messing with yer nads
or something the last time went there?
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 01:36 PM
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97. are you really worried about getting autism from a flu shot?
:banghead:

they don't even use the preservative that was supposedly implicated anymore.

the flu kills lots and lots of people every year. it kills more among those who are in special categories (weakened immune systems, etc.). combined with other problems, the flu can be lethal and become that way quite quickly.
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 01:57 PM
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105. You've got to be fucking kidding me.
If you don't have autism now, you are not going to get.

And for the nine gazillionth time, vaccines don't cause autism.

I guess I'm a little disappointed too. Enjoy the flu.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 03:24 PM
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110. Enjoy the autism
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BuddhaGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 03:40 PM
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115. ....
:rofl: :rofl:
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 05:40 PM
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122. Well, it's a very mild case and only a genuine shithead would bring it up.
Or are we back in grade school again? Would you like to make any fat jokes while you are at it? Thanks for the cheap shot, asshole.

Anyway, is that the best you've got? Flu shots still don't cause autism.
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BuddhaGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 03:23 PM
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108. they are taking this seriously over in the skeptic's forum
:rofl: :rofl:
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 03:24 PM
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109. I know!
:rofl:
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BuddhaGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 03:44 PM
Response to Reply #109
116. there must be a vaccine for that!!
:rofl: :spank:
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 04:32 PM
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119. gawd ...that forum is a wealth of hilarity. I never knew. Thanks
for showing me the way. People getting tore down over there :rofl:
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 08:05 PM
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129. That thread is awsome.
:spray:

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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 08:13 PM
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130. I'm sad it got locked
That had potential.

:cry:
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 08:19 PM
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131. My curiosity is getting the best of me at the moment.
Would you consider me one of the "woos" or one of the "cranks"? Or a little bit of both?

:shrug:
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 10:12 PM
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137. I like to think of it in smilie format ...
crank x(
woo :woohoo:
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 09:47 PM
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134. I really don't understand WHY it was locked and yet other
similar ones over there are not :shrug:

This place continues to amaze, astound and amuse me in the most delightful and delicious ways.

I really wonder about some people's reading comprehension skills.

I want to thank you sniffa for providing me with some "insights" into some people around here.
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JackBeck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 10:04 PM
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136. As a first time reader, I must concur.
And as far as insightful goes, some things now make that much more sense.

:pals:
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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 08:28 PM
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132. here too
there are more than a few people in this thread taking him seriously too. Heck, read the Health Scare Forum and you'll find no claim is too outrageous for someone to take it seriously, so having someone claim the flu shots causes autism isn't too hard to believe.

But then, if you read Sniffa regularly you know he's kidding. :evilgrin:

..
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-07-08 03:54 AM
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139. i had no idea he's kidding
but i never think anyone is kidding.

which is ironic since almost all my posts in this forum are kidding. :dunce:
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 02:36 AM
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143. Now THAT is hysterical.
:rofl:
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:21 AM
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146. Because, of course, sniffa is always an eminently sensible person
who's never been controversial here before.

:sarcasm: , because that is needed.

The thing is, there are people on this thread who took it seriously, and said it would have been the right thing to do. Now, unless sniffa produces a public list of "my true opinions on things", then some people won't know if he is sensible on this particular subject, or if he's another 'western medicine is baaad' woo.
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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 03:27 PM
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111. Fifth K and R. Also bkmarking for posterity.
:rofl: :woohoo:
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 05:43 PM
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123. Why do you have a picture of a woman with a black eye for an avatar?
Is that some general protest against violence again women or does it have special meaning?
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 06:00 PM
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124. Special meaning
It's a fat joke.
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IntravenousDemilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 07:54 PM
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128. Now that you mention it, today is December 6, which in Canada is...
NATIONAL DAY OF REMEMBRANCE AND ACTION ON VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN

December 6
Did you know that December 6 is the National Day of Remembrance and Action on Violence Against Women in Canada? Established in 1991 by the Parliament of Canada, this day marks the anniversary of the murders in 1989 of 14 young women at l'cole Polytechnique de Montral. They died because they were women.

As well as commemorating the 14 young women whose lives ended in an act of gender-based violence that shocked the nation, December 6 represents an opportunity for Canadians to reflect on the phenomenon of violence against women in our society. It is also an opportunity to consider the women and girls for whom violence is a daily reality, and to remember those who have died as a result of gender-based violence. And finally, it is a day on which communities can consider concrete actions to eliminate all forms of violence against women and girls.

http://www.swc-cfc.gc.ca/dates/dec6/index_e.html
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 06:26 PM
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125. This thread has panache.
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 07:04 PM
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126. Enough to make Tuesday Afternoon add it to her bookmarks
If it makes it to Midlo's bookmarks I know this thread made it.

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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-06-08 11:41 PM
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138. I swear by them. Flu shots are teh awesome....
...so there. :P
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 12:35 AM
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141. how come every thread referring to this thread gets locked
while this thread is not locked?

not that i want it locked. just curious. :rofl:
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 04:48 PM
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142. I only saw one other thread
:shrug:

Links? Hints?
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Crunchy Frog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 02:43 AM
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144. I got a flu shot this year, just to be proactive in giving the tadpoles autism.
I usually don't though. I got the flu in '88 and '89 and was sick as a dog both times, but once I started taking vitamins regularly, I've never gotten it again.

They talked me into it this year though, just because they said it could be a real problem if I got it while pregnant, and I figured, why not get the tadpoles infected with autism now, just to get it over with?
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 08:52 AM
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145. THEY DON'T CAUSE AUTISM.
Ugh, that BS is so offense to us Autistics/Aspies. :puke:
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 07:07 PM
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147. Yeah, like I'm supposed to believe you
:eyes:
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 08:06 PM
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148. If you think I'm "poisoned" and need to be "cured" to are no better then the homophobes that..
Edited on Wed Dec-10-08 08:13 PM by Odin2005
...think being gay is an "illness" that needs to be cured. I'm not sick and I don't need a cure. Autistic traits are genetic, that is a FACT. denying the genetic nature of Autism is equivalent to saying gay people choose to be gay. Einstien, Jefferson, and Bill Gates are thought to be on/been on the Autism spectrum. Were they "poisoned" and needed to be "cured"?

A site for you: http://aspiesforfreedom.com
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sniffa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 08:28 PM
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149. You need to take a number
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cwydro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-10-08 09:05 PM
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150. You really believe a flu shot will give you autism???
That is hilarious.

I won't take them either, but that sure isn't the reason.
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