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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 04:56 PM
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DU Vegans: Let's Bust a Myth
Edited on Fri Jul-11-08 05:15 PM by Taverner
I will go vegan for a month, granted you give me a menus and a meal plan. I need a little higher protein content (at least 190 grams a day) and lower fat and bad carbs.

To be honest, I'm really really curious to see if you could dispel my myth - that veganism is not healthy and you end up getting fat trying to get the essential amino acids.
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Midlodemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 04:57 PM
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1. Have you seen a pic of flvegan?
If that's not a healthy looking guy, I'll eat my desk. Not to mention a total hottie.

Same with ThomCat. I think veganism attracts the hawtness.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 05:19 PM
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13. That was sweet, thank you.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 04:58 PM
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2. I'll ask:
where did your "myth" come from?
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 04:59 PM
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4. Lots of places. Sure, I understand its a myth and I'd love to see it knocked down
Wanna help me bust a myth?
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 05:01 PM
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5. I'd love to help.
I ain't eating anything meat-ish, though.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 05:03 PM
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6. Oh don't worry - no meat.
Actually I should have tackled this whole thing differently

Rather than a trade, make a mythbusting.

So what would be my main protein? Black beans? Tofu, I have found, really slows you down in the gym.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 05:06 PM
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7. That depends.
Bear in mind, your body handles vegetable protein a little differently than meat, etc. You don't need *quite* as much.

Now, how do you mean "slows you down in the gym"? Are you averse/allergic to soy, or is this a general feeling you get in the gym after eating it?
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 05:07 PM
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8. General feeling
If I eat a lot of soy, it makes me tired and a little less energetic

Funny, because "Textured Vegetable Protein" (whatever the hell that is) does just the opposite. So its not a veg thing, but specific to soy I think.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 05:10 PM
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9. Most tvp is a form of soy.
Defatted soy, I believe.

How often are you in the gym?

I think what we really need to do is get an honest "mission statement" or goal for this mythbusting. I mean, do you just want proof that you won't get fat, or do you want go in the opposite direction and show improvement?
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 05:12 PM
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10. Hit the gym every day for 1 hour
Edited on Fri Jul-11-08 05:13 PM by Taverner
two days a week I just do 30 min of cardio, but I always do 30 min of cardio.

Do weights 5 days a week.

Every month I take one day off.

As for the mission statement - it would be 1 to 2 weeks, so one cannot expect miracles. If I could show some muscle gain, and some fat loss the myth would be busted.

Basically prove the opposite is true, in relation to my myth.
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 05:18 PM
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12. 2 weeks?
Can't be done. I'm being honest here. Your body will go into a sort of shock the first week. You won't gain or lose anything. Your second week, you may feel lethargic as the "toxins" clear out.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 05:28 PM
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14. OK - lets set a more realistic time period. Say - 4 weeks/One month?
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 05:38 PM
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15. Your myth about getting fat would be debunked
but that's still not long enough to see improvement, really.

To be honest, the notion of getting "fat" as a vegan is a possibility, no doubt about it. But, changing an active omni lifestyle to the same active vegan lifestyle will, in absolution (if nutritionally responsible) cause you to lose weight.

As for muscle, I can show you plenty of strong, fit, muscular vegans.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 05:51 PM
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16. OK - a month not long enough? What time period is good to judge.
I'm willing to do it - I understand you are converting the metabolism of an omnivore to an herbivore - so changes must take place.

How long would be long enough to debunk the myth?

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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 05:55 PM
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17. 3 months. BUT
and this is a big one, after 3 months you'll have to VERY slowly return to eating meat if you so choose. You can get very ill jumping right back on the bacon bandwagon.

BTW, I think 3 months is how long Morgan Spurlock's vegan chef fiancee got him back to size/health after "Supersize Me".
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 05:57 PM
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19. Keep in mind I usually only eat lean protein
Chicken Breasts, Turkey Breasts, Flank Steak, Pork Tenderloin.

I don't mind. If the results go the way I think they might, I may stay vegan, or at least vegetarian (probably more likely - I like milk and cheese much more than I like chicken breasts)
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 06:03 PM
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21. If you cut out all animal products
and just replace your food with vegan choices, you'll be successful. Even staying vegetarian, you may find GREAT success because whey is a superior protein to any flesh.

You also do your workouts MY way.

You can also still have your beer, as most of it is vegan anyway (Guiness isn't, anything with honey isn't).

90 days and I'll give you difference you can see and feel.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 06:05 PM
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23. 90 Days Can work.
One more question - how about...um...420?
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 06:08 PM
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25. Enjoy!
If it doesn't interfere with your workouts, and you don't go munchie crazy, indulge!
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 06:13 PM
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28. Most Excellent.
BTW...if you go from Vegan to Vegetarian (Lacto-Ouvo) is there as much of a "learning curve"?
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 06:23 PM
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29. Nah.
Vegetarian is super easy. Vegan is tougher on the label reading. They HIDE stuff, I tell you.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 06:24 PM
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30. What about a metabolism curve?
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 06:30 PM
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31. If you
go headlong back into a TON of cheese and milk, then yeah. Your stomach won't let you, though.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 06:31 PM
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32. OK. I can live with that.
When do we start?
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 06:50 PM
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34. Totally up to you.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 04:58 PM
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3. I don't think a month is long enough
My impression is that most people need two months to get used to the new diet.

(And my personal wager would be to go veg, but not vegan for a month, and see how that goes. YMMV. )
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 05:15 PM
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11. I think 12 weeks would be optimal
Granted, I think people start seeing results in the 6-8 week range, but I always find that 12 weeks is the right amount of time to really notice how my body reacts to a new nutrition/fitness routine.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 05:57 PM
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18. Q: If you're a vegan, can you drink Wild Turkey?
Enquiring minds want to know.

Bake
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 06:04 PM
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22. Yes!
Most alcohol is vegan.

Wine? Not so much. Some beers, etc.
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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 06:08 PM
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26. I didn't know that about wine
What's in it that keeps it from being vegan?
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flvegan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 06:10 PM
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27. Well
Isinglass is a product from fish that some winemakers use in the fining/clarification process. Some used to use gelatin, egg and even...blood. ew.

The organic wines are almost all vegan, as far as I know.
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City of Mills Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 05:59 PM
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20. Do you plan to integrate exercise as well?
Edited on Fri Jul-11-08 06:01 PM by ByTheRiver
If so, I think you may be surprised by how good you feel! edit: Nevermind, pardon my temporary lack of reading comprehension skills :)
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 06:07 PM
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24. Oh I workout every day
Usually 1 hour. At least 30 minutes (twice a week).

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City of Mills Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 06:35 PM
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33. Coincidentally
While browsing around I just came across http://www.veganbodybuilding.com / - you may want to have a look!
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Rob H. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-11-08 08:59 PM
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35. And along similar lines to the site ByTheRiver posted
Edited on Fri Jul-11-08 09:01 PM by Rob H.
there's also Vegan Fitness, which is dedicated to a ton different sports, diet and nutrition, and general fitness.

Edited to fix link weirdness.
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