anyone playing Metal Gear Solid 4 or Grand Theft Auto 4?

[Blue_Tires]

if so, how are they? (without giving away too much detail...)

I eventually plan go get both games, as I'm a fan of both series, but I don't have a PS3 yet...If the games are really good, I may get the PS3 sooner rather than later...

[BulletproofLandshark]

1. GTA 4 is fantastic

The graphics look pretty good, the driving physics are totally revamped (and much more realistic), and the multiplayer is a blast.

[democracyindanger]

5. Way too short and small, though

The mechanics are awesome, but I wish it was as big as GTA:SA. I finished it twice in about two weeks.

[Tyrone Slothrop]

2. I stopped playing GTA IV in lieu of MGS4

I'm a huge Metal Gear fan, though. (Used to be a big GTA fan too, but this incarnation of GTA feels a little flat, a little restricted.)

I'm really loving MGS4 though. Great game...

[Blue_Tires]

3. is the storyline halfway understandable, if not believable like in MGS 3?

or is it that convoluted, pretentious, writing-ourselves-in-a-corner, train derailment combined with the black hole of logic plot of MGS 2??

[Tyrone Slothrop]

4. Much closer to 3

In fact, one of my minor complaints with the game is that it's wrapped up some of the story a little too neatly. I always appreciated the touches of magic realism in the series; however, nearly all of that stuff is retroactively explained in MGS4 in scientific terms. For me, that killed a bit of the "special" quality that the series has.

(I should also note, though, that I (unlike most people apparently) didn't have any major issues with the ending of the MGS2. One of the only games I've thought long and hard about after it was over...and I felt like I learned something from the whole experience.)

[Blue_Tires]

6. interesting

i've played and re-played the game, searched the web for various plot analysis by other gamers, and i'm still without a clue in hell what was going on in the last 20 mins of the game...whenever i'm bored or want to occupy my mind with something, i try to ponder the storyline's true meaning. The only thing that even makes sense to me is that its some kind of tongue-in-cheek fourth-wall breaking allegory...

MGS3 was still kind of loose, with all of the sloppy retcons, but at least it built toward some kind of semi-understandable ending...I'm not saying that every story has to be neatly tied up in the end (in fact it was Metal Gear Solid's cliffhanging but open-ended storyline that drew me to the series in the first place), but if there is going to be a heavy buildup, I would at least hope it goes to a somewhat cohesive ending....MGS 2 didn't do that at all (at least not from what I saw)...

[Blue_Tires]

7. ttt