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Brigid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 06:51 PM
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Cat Owners:
What brand of cat food do you feed your babies? Mine like Iams. :)
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bicentennial_baby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 06:56 PM
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1. Wellness
Adult Indoor Health and the occasional Adult Wet food...

You may be interested in this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=243&topic_id=4388&mesg_id=4388
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 06:57 PM
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2. Whiskas Wet Packages
and Purina One Healthy Weight Adult
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DeposeTheBoyKing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 06:58 PM
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3. I tried them on canned Wellness, but they don't like it anymore
They eat Purina Naturals kibble and Authority canned food which I get at PetSmart - I've also tried them on Merrick, Triumph and Evo, which they'll eat for a bit, but then they turn their noses up. I've read that the lowest quality canned food is better than dry food, but I just can't get them switched to 100% wet food.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 07:13 PM
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8. See post #5
I don't know is Purina Naturals is USDA. You might want to check it for any corn products. Cats can become addicted to corn products and high carb ingredients (which is why they love Fancy Feast), but the side effects can be obesity, diabetes and hyperthyroid disease. There are some good no grain dry foods out there, plus freeze dried raw (my cats LOVE it). If you get a kitty drinking fountain and are sure that they are using it, then you can get by on a high quality human grade dry cat food without too many health risks.

:hi:
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 07:01 PM
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4. Wellness for wet, Nutro for dry.

Hey Brigie!

:hi:


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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 07:07 PM
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7. Wellness is great, but you may want to rethink Nutro
it's owned by a very Red company and was one of the first products effected by the recall last year. It uses only feed grade ingredients, while Wellness uses USDA human grade ingredients. Wellness also has many no grain varieties (including Wellness Core, the dry no grain food), which is best for an obligate carnivore.
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Dangerously Amused Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 07:15 PM
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9. Thanks for the info!

I have been thinking of switching over to Wellness for both anyway, now I'm going to for sure.

:hi:


P.S. Don't tell Henri or Ralphie I said this, but Oberon is by far the handsomest boy kitty EVER.


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lizziegrace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 09:13 PM
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20. Where can you buy Wellness Core dry?
I have a cat with chronic ear infections.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 09:55 PM
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23. Here you go:
http://www.geoserve.com/forms/omhwell.htm

It should help. I've seen amazing changes in health after pets have switched from "feed grade" foods like Purina, Friskies, Fancy Feast, Iams, Nutro, Eukanuba, and *shiver* Science Diet to a USDA human grade "species appropriate" diet. It's pretty easy to tell the good from the bad; the more meats (including organ meat, but not meal by-products) and the less grains (corn and brewer's rice are VERY bad, brown rice less so) the better. Cat's are obligate carnivores, meaning that they can only get nutrition from meat and organs (where the all important taurine comes from). They should only have veggies and grains that are equivalent to what would be found in the stomach of their prey. If it's among the first three ingredients, avoid it at all costs!

With good nutrition kitty can live well into it's 20s!

:-)
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lizziegrace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 10:18 PM
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25. Thanks!
Outpost sells it here in Milwaukee. I'll switch Gracie over when I get her settled.

:)
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realisticphish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 10:52 PM
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32. i don't think that Mars is particularly red
Edited on Tue Jun-10-08 10:56 PM by realisticphish
anymore than any other massive conglomerate :shrug:

but i could be wrong, i don't have numbers


edit: ha, mars, red :D
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 10:58 PM
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34. There was an article on them about four years ago
they are right up there with Wal-Mart, Home Depot and Staples as one of the reddest companies around. HUGE GOP donors.

But more importantly, they make feed grade pet foods (see post #5-or google "feed grade ingredients"). There's a reason more pets die of cancer and kidney failure than of old age.
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realisticphish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 11:16 PM
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35. i'm not sure
i work in a pet store, and have to know ingredients backwards and forwards, so all that stuff is old hat to me. What we recommend depends on where someone starts out; if they feed purina dog chow, then we try to get them up to purina one, at least; if they already feed science diet, we try to get them to nutro at least; if they feed nutro, we hint higher, like wellness, solid gold, or instinct, but honestly nutro is about the highest quality the average joe will go (well, eagle pack is a pretty good seller as well, and what my roommates feed their dog).

To be honest, i don't know what to think about the food quality issue. I'm totally open to studies, and it is an interesting line of research, but i do have one big point that i'm not sure about. Thinking about people dying, some of the most common reasons are kidney failure and cancer (and heart disease, but that's beside the point). People are starting to take better care of their animals, and they are living longer because of it. I wonder how much of the way they are dying is because they are living longer than in the past; this might just be the end of the line. After all, dying of old age often consists of kidney failure or cancer. Those are primary ways that the body shuts down when it has deteriorated due to time.

That's not to say that there shouldn't be an increase in pet food quality, because there certainly should be. But on the front lines, the biggest problem is getting people past the "Big Bag of Corn" brands that are 10 bucks for 50 pounds, rather than worrying about USDA human grade stuff (not that that isn't important). Anything better than that is gravy.

I feed Nutro right now, because it is the best that I can afford. Once I get a real job (a non minimum wage paying job) i'll probably switch to wellness, though i've been checking out felidae, instinct, and EVO as well.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 07:04 PM
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5. Only USDA human grade foods
While I was fighting to save my beloved kitty Peewee from a whole host of deadly ailments in 2003, my pet sitter Jackie encouraged me to learn more about what I had been feeding my finicky kitty for most of his life. He had always refused the "premium" foods in favor of Friskies and Fancy Feast. I began to Google questions about his illnesses along with advice for pet nutrition, and I was horrified by what I discovered. Giving Peewee the stuff he had liked over the years had no doubt accelerated the progress of the genetic illnesses he was born with, and gave him additional problems that made his inherited illnesses impossible to successfully treat. Why was Peewee so hooked on those awful foods? Corn syrup was a big part of the problem; it's an unhealthy ingredient for cats (and for us, too) but it's addictive-plus, the pet food companies receive government subsidies for including it in their foods. And the "premium" foods like Iams and Eukanuba? They weren't significantly better. The high price of those foods comes more from their expensive marketing campaigns than from better ingredients.

Here is just one of the articles out there on what's really included in commercial pet foods:

Poisons in Pet Food from Alternative Medicine Magazine, May 1998
A homeopath of our acquaintance, who specializes in animal health, recently reported that nearly all of her new cases are dogs and cats with cancer. This is a most unusual and alarming trend, she told us.
One of the reasons American dogs and cats are getting very sick can be found in the pet foods they eat every day. The realities of animal health aren't much different than human health: if you consume a diet of toxins, eventually you will get terribly sick.
Don't expect the food label to be any true guide to the product's contents. The list of ingredients on that bag of dry pet food or can of "meat" can mask the toxic horrors behind innocuous-sounding phrases such as "meat meal," "bone meal," and "meat by-products." It's the substances you don't know about in that can of pet food that may sicken or even kill your pet.
The list of materials that go into the rendering process is extensive and horrific. When cattle, sheep and poultry are slaughtered for human consumption, the parts deemed unsuitable for eating, heads (including growth hormone implants in cattle), skin, fat containing pesticide residues, toenails, hair or feathers, joints, hooves, stomach and bowels are rendered.
Other animal parts sent to rendering plants include cancerous tissues, worm-infested organs, contaminated blood and blood clots. Compounding these toxins, slaughterhouses add carbolic acid and fuel oil to these remnants as a way of marking these foods as unfit for human consumption.
Meat and poultry by-products, another major category of pet food ingredients, are the unrendered parts of the animal left over after slaughter, everything deemed unfit for human consumption. In cattle and sheep, this includes the brain, liver, kidneys, spleen, lungs, blood, bones, fatty tissue, stomachs and intestines. The items on this list that would normally be consumed by humans, such as the liver, would have to be diseased or contaminated before they could be designated for pet food. Poultry by-products include heads, feet, intestines, undeveloped eggs, chicken feathers and egg shells.
The primary ingredient in many dry commercial pet foods is not protein but cereal. Corn and wheat are the most common grains used but, as with the meat sources, the nutritious parts of the grain are generally present only in trace amounts. The corn gluten meal or wheat middlings added to pet foods are the leftovers after the grain has been processed for human use, containing little nutritional value.
Or they may be grain that is too moldy for humans to eat, so it's incorporated into pet food.
Mycotoxins, potentially deadly fungal toxins that multiply in moldy grains, have been found in pet foods in recent years. In 1995, Nature's Recipe recalled tons of their dog food after dogs became ill from eating it. The food was found to contain vomitoxin, a mycotoxin.
Harmful chemicals and preservatives are added to both wet and dry food. For example, sodium nitrite, a coloring agent and preservative and potential carcinogen, is a common additive. Other preservatives include ethoxyquin (an insecticide that has been linked to liver cancer) and BHA and BHT, chemicals also suspected of causing cancer. The average dog can consume as much as 26 pounds of preservatives every year from eating commercial dog foods.
Recent studies have shown processed foods to be a factor in increasing numbers of pets suffering from cancer, arthritis, obesity, dental disease and heart disease. Dull or unhealthy coats are a common problem with cats and dogs and poor diet is usually the cause, according to many veterinarians and breeders. The AAFCO nutrient profiles may play a role here, in the balanced" nutritional levels they recommend may be inadequate for an individual animal.
It is estimated that up to two million companion animals suffer from food allergies.
Dr. Plechner believes that the commercial pet foods are a primary cause and can contribute to a host of health problems.
"Among pets, there is a widespread intolerance of commercial foods," he states. "This rejection can show up either as violent sickness or chronic health problems. It often triggers a hypersensitivity and overreaction to flea and insect bites, pollens, soaps, sprays and environmental contaminants."
Feline Urological Syndrome, a chronic condition similar to cystitis in humans (characterized by frequent urination with blood in the urine), is an increasingly common and potentially fatal illness in cats. It has been linked to elevated levels of ash and phosphorus, two substances commonly found in commercial pet foods. High iodine levels are seen as a contributing factor for thyroid tumors in cats. "New diseases are being discovered that are linked to '100% complete' diets," states Dr Wysong. These include Polymyopathy (a muscle disorder) from low potassium levels, dilated Cardiomyopathy (heart muscle disorder) from low taurine levels, arthritic and skin diseases from acid/base and zinc malnutrition and chronic eczema from essential fatty acid malnutrition," he reports.
Given the high possibility that your favorite pet foods may be slowly poisoning your cat or dog, it's crucial that you find brands you can trust to be animal friendly.

http://www.frrhealthypet.com/id2.html

POLLUTED PET FOOD

Commercial pet food and stock feed contain a cocktail of dead domestic animals and deadly environmental toxins.

I'm not going to post these short articles, because they are a bit TOO disturbing (animal shelters sending pet remains to rendering plants for use in pet foods and other vile practices). Here's a link if you feel you need to know more:
http://www.frrhealthypet.com/id35.html

So, what's a caring pet owner to do? Jackie pointed me in the direction of Pookie's Bow wow Bakery, a holistic pet food store in Winter Park, Florida. They gave me samples and loads of information about the many brands of holistic, HUMAN GRADE pet foods out there, including Wellness, Artemis, Organix, Innova, Orijen, Merrick, California Naturals, Halo, and many more. It was too late for Peewee; he lost his battles on August 1st of 2003. But there's still plenty of time for your fur kids.

Some links for holistic foods:

www.pookiesbowwowbakery.com

www.waggintails.com

www.nationalpetpharmacy.com (search the natural food section)

www.halopets.com

www.artemiscompany.com (has a search function to find holistic pet food retailers in your area)

www.naturesvariety.com
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grannylib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 07:05 PM
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6. Purina for dry, Fancy Feast (I think) for treats
They like Trout Feast best
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sandsavage Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 07:17 PM
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10. Stinky,Moogly and Punkin Head
are on 9 Lives canned food. Sprinkled with dry Purina Cat Chow for indoor cats. They are just wee ones yet. Orphans four months old.
Pita almost two years,will only eat the dry Purina Cat Chow. Once in a great while she will taste the canned.
They seem to be doing very well on this. We do switch around a bit, but this is the main food they eat. The little kittens are
still getting kitten milk too. Yes, I know they are to old,but they do love it so much.
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 07:40 PM
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11. Natural Balance....
...mine love it.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 10:38 PM
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30. It's a good brand; no industrial waste like Iams, Purina, Fristies, Science diet
etc. If people really knew what was in "feed grade" pet foods then they would pay more attention to the ingredient lists than to the advertising. Cats SHOULD be living into their 20s, but instead they're dying of cancer and kidney failure at age 16 and we're told that they're "just old"....and it's all because multinationals want to "maximize profits". :cry:
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Robeson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 12:32 AM
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39. You're right, and that's my goal, Lorien...
Edited on Wed Jun-11-08 12:32 AM by Robeson
...I - like most people - want to live as long as I can. I want those around me to live as long as they can. Cats living into their twenties should be the norm, not a rarity.
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triguy46 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 07:50 PM
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12. Whatever, of course my lack of discernment for their needs may explain
why one of the mamas had to go and kill a rat yesterday, she must have a craving for the exotic that I'm not giving her.
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shaft Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 10:18 PM
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26. like my cats
one of them killed a huge field yesterday and scarfed down the whole thing. Iams sometimes isn't enough for her, she likes to hunt.
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stuntcat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 07:53 PM
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13. one Fancy Feast a day and Hill's Science Diet
the Feast is divided neatly into thirds and served in a perfect triangle on a paper plate :)
And our vet recommended Hill's Senior for Tonka.

I took a picture of them eating in their triangle but I didn't post it, but this is Puddy waiting for dinner-

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Guava Jelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 08:43 PM
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17. I feed my cats the exact same way as you do.
Edited on Tue Jun-10-08 08:43 PM by GoPsUx
I also have three.
I am cutting back on the dry though.
My cats are getting really fat
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stuntcat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 09:09 PM
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18. I think it's PRECIOUS
.. the little triangle. Whenever I've gone away and other people had to feed the cats I draw little cat faces in a triangle so they'll feed them the right way! :loveya: I'm sure the cats appreciate it.
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yellowdogintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 11:19 PM
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36. I also give my cats one can of Friskies per day and Hills dry food.
I have 4 cats, one of whom is elder and needs extra nutrition. So HE gets a whole can of Friskies; chicken is his preference.

The other 3 get a second can, divided into exact thirds into individual bowls. I feed the old cat first and I always have to push at least one of the younger ones out of his dish before I can get theirs ready. But they finally get organized and then they just nom nom nom

when I make ham sandwiches sometimes I 'drop' little slivers of ham all accidental like.

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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 07:56 PM
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14. I am not a cat owner; I'm a cat employee.
I provide my employers with Wellness, both canned and dry.
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malta blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 08:00 PM
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15. nutro max indoor, salmon flavored hairball formula.
He will eat nothing BUT that - no wet food, no other dry food, no table scraps, nada....
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 08:39 PM
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16. My two are fans of PetGuard food.
It's definitely a higher-end food, but they love it.

When Quinn was a kitten, he got Nutro, but once I found out how evil the company was, I switched :).

For dry food, they get a variety. Wellness, Pet Guard, Science Diet, etc.
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lizziegrace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 09:12 PM
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19. Purina One Naturals
Chicken formula. Gracie has bad allergies and other foods give her ear infections.

Widget eats that and gets Iams canned too.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 09:18 PM
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21. One of mine is on Purina Veterinary Diet (UR ST/OX), the others
are on Wysong Vitality and Wysong Geriatrix respectively.
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 09:22 PM
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22. Either Purina
or Friskies. If I treat them with canned, it's Friskies, but only about once a week.

I don't know whether anyone would want to know about this, but I'll post a link to it anyhow. Something I learned quite some time ago:

http://www.iamscruelty.com

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meow2u3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 10:16 PM
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24. Both my cats like Meow Mix for dry
and Friskies for canned. I tried several other brands, including the expensive kind, and they both settled in on Meow Mix--even Max, who's far more finicky than Ruby.
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KitchenWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 10:20 PM
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27. Iams Indoor Cat
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Haole Girl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 10:21 PM
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28. IVD
Duck formula. The only food my Tabby cat can eat with her allergies.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 10:28 PM
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29. My crf cat, Ari, loved IVD modified. He would've starved before eating Hill's
prescription crf food (and nearly did). Then we found IVD. I really think he owes about 2 years of his life to IVD.
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realisticphish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 10:49 PM
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31. Nutro Complete Care or Nutro Max Cat (and sometimes Chicken Soup)
I usually buy whichever of those three is on sale in a given month (i work at a pet store; no discount, but i know when things are on sale)
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 10:56 PM
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33. science diet r/d
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moriah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 11:25 PM
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37. I feed Eukanuba Sensitive Stomach formula.
My kitty gets hairballs, so sometimes we have to clean up kitty puke. At first he was eating Purina One. When the vet suggested he start eating Science Diet, we switched to it, and noticed that the incidence of kitty puke multiplied drastically.

So when I told the vet about that, they recommended the Eukanuba sensitive stomach.

Now we only deal with kitty puke when he's got a hairball, maybe once a month (compared to multiple times a week on the Science Diet crap!)
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-10-08 11:27 PM
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38. the baby likes Royal Canin Special 33 and she gets what she wants.....
or i get the a nasty suprise.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 04:52 AM
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40. Royal Canin.
Good stuff.
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lizerdbits Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 12:17 PM
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47. Feline dissolution
Max gets that to prevent another blockage. Fortunately he loves it.
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AirmensMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 07:17 AM
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41. Raw.
Usually either rabbit or turkey, but occasionally salmon, bison, or venison. :9
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bertha katzenengel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 07:19 AM
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42. Heh. Loaded question for me.
Two kibbles, always available: Purina One chicken & rice, and Science Diet Sensitive Stomach.

Canned, really just a little more than a taste for them in the late afternoon, and it's usually Safeway's brand. Not all of them eat it.
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Patiod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 10:40 AM
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43. Dry: California Natural -- Wet: Merrick's
I feel a great deal of loyalty to those brands, which saw her safely through the recent crisis.

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huskerlaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 12:07 PM
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44. Wellness & Royal Canin Special 33
Riley and Spencer eat Wellness dry, Kyra needs the Royal Canin due to digestive issues. She's supposed to "outgrow" her issues, so since she's about at her 1st birthday, we're trying to mix the Wellness into her RC. So far, so good.
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ceile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 12:13 PM
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45. Royal Canin SO and Hill's WD
One cat is diabetic so he gets the Hill's WD. The other has a history of dehydration, so she eats the Royal Canin. And if they're really nice to their mommy, the get Fancy Feast wet food. But only the meat based ones (they're low carb and, for the most part, gluten free).
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coyotespaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-11-08 12:14 PM
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46. I'm not a cat owner, I have a tempermental room-mate that doesn't pay rent...
But she seems to like the Hy-Vee store brand high protein variety.
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