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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:29 AM
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Why is there no East Virginia?
I demand that this be rectified. Until The Virginias one day unite we must refer to them as East Virginia and West Virginia. Maybe the Dakotas could put away their long standing emnity, and the Carolinas as well!
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Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:32 AM
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1. Insh'Allah... n/t
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jean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:32 AM
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2. A fair and balanced question, if ever there was one!
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randr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:33 AM
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3. Same reason there is no West California
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:34 AM
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6. There is a West Virgina. It must have an Eastern counterpart.
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DarkPhenyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:34 AM
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4. But, but, but...
Edited on Tue Feb-10-04 10:35 AM by DarkPhenyx
...we HATE the South Carolinians. :)

Seriously though...part of the reason that West Virginia is called that is becasue one of the slogans for the seperatist movement was "West Virginia not Western Virginia." At least that's what I learned watching "Honey in the Rock" many, many moons ago. As the actual seperation was partially rooted in the Civil War, and Virginia never really "mutually agreed" to the division, I am guessing they chose to not change their name.

You did want a serious response to this didn't you?
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:39 AM
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11. I guess it is once again time to flex the muscle of the federal government
Edited on Tue Feb-10-04 10:39 AM by JVS
And make them call themselves East Virginians and make them like it!
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:34 AM
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5. Well, where does it stop?
Then you'd have to have a North Virginia and South Virginia, as well.

:-)

Terry
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:37 AM
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9. It stops by changoing the name of the state now known as Virginia to...
East Virginia. That way it will be settled. East and West Germany did not lead to North and South Germany. North and South Korea did not lead to East and West Korea. There is no reason to fear an emergence of North and South Virginia.
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:15 AM
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26. You're right, I'm wrong.
I was being silly. I should stop that.

Terry
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RobertSeattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:34 AM
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7. There's an old urban legend (might be true)
Where someone from West Virginia was pulled over by a cop, and the cop thought a driver license from "West Virigina" was a hoax.

But back to your topic...I don't know why the state boundaries are so static. I think the Dakotas should be combined, California should be split into 2 or 3 states, combine some of those dinky NE states...

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DarkPhenyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:41 AM
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14. Part of it is Congressional Representation.
As each state is given two Senators combining states would dilute the power of those states being combined.

As far as I'm concerned I think combining representation is a great idea. I'll go into it at length if anyone is really interested in reading my ramblings.
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mobuto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 12:17 PM
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28. Why not? Because the Constitution says
New states may be admitted by the Congress into this union; but no new states shall be formed or erected within the jurisdiction of any other state; nor any state be formed by the junction of two or more states, or parts of states, without the consent of the legislatures of the states concerned as well as of the Congress.


And why would any state legislature want to destroy itself? Why would a Senator want to eliminate his or her job?
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afraid_of_the_dark Donating Member (724 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 03:28 PM
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43. But I like dinky NE states...
They're quick to drive through, so it feels like you are making progress when you're on long car trips. Besides, it's fun being able to drive 10 miles in almost any direction to cross the state border, in order to take advantage of favorable laws in the surrounding states.
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arwalden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:36 AM
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8. If At Least TWO Of Them Would Do This We Could Return To The 48-Star Flag
... which was the most aesthetically pleasing design of all previous flags. IMHO

-- Allen
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Edge Donating Member (728 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:38 AM
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10. Because it would kill the whole 50 state equillibrium.
Edited on Tue Feb-10-04 10:38 AM by Edge
51 stars on the flag would look...ridiculous...50 is just right. :)
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:40 AM
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13. Not a new state. Relabel old Virginia to reflect new political realities
still 50 states
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Edge Donating Member (728 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:41 AM
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15. Ah..
That's just too much work to do. :shrug:
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:39 AM
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12. Virginia
The state split up during the civil war, with "West Virginia" siding with the union, and "Virginia" siding with the confederacy.
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DarkPhenyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:42 AM
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16. Beat ya to it!
:)
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:47 AM
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19. yes, you did
:hi:
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DarkPhenyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:50 AM
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20. As often as I get beat to the punch around here...
...I just had to point that out.
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XNASA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:43 AM
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17. South Chicago has gone missing as well.
There is a Chicago, a North Chicago, a West Chicago, an East Chicago......even a Chicago Heights.............

But there is no South Chicago.

Why? For the grace of god, could somebody please explain why?
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 10:45 AM
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18. How can there be an East Chicago, is that not Lake Michigan?
But yes, these must be cleared up
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XNASA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:04 AM
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22. East Chicago, is in Indiana......
So we have an East, but not a South, Chicago. North Chicago is up near Waukegan, and West Chicago is out near Aurora.

At one time, there was a South Chicago Heights, but they have since changed their name to Ford Heights.

It's all very perplexing.
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Lizz612 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 12:28 PM
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29. Whats the South Side then?
My mother grew up there, thats why I ask. Is really just part of Chicago? :shrug:
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XNASA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 12:53 PM
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33. You must not confuse the Southside, with fictitious "South Chicago".
There actually is a city, 30 miles north of Chicago called "North Chicago", which is not to be confused with the Northside of Chicago.

The Southside is anyplace in the city limits, south of the Loop or south of the south branch of the Chicago River, more or less. There is a Southeastside, Southside, Westside, Northwestside and Northside. But no Eastside, although there is an area near Navy Pier that people are calling the "New East Side". But that's just developer mumbo-jumbo.

But there is no city or town called, South Chicago. There are towns called North Chicago, West Chicago and East Chicago however.

Doncha just love geography?
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terrya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 12:29 PM
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30. I thought East Chicago was the underwater part of the city.
:-)

Terry
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XNASA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 12:57 PM
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34. Under ice the last time I checked.
Nice day today though.
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carolinayellowdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:02 AM
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21. Western Virginia extends further west than West Virginia
Look on a map. So by your logic the division should not be West vs. East Virginia, but Northwest Virginia vs. Southwest, Southeast, Central, and Northeast Virginia.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:10 AM
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23. North and South Yemen were similarly fucked up
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stromboli Donating Member (73 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:13 AM
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24. how about Virginia Heights and Virginia Slim
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 12:58 PM
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35. And Virginia Plain.
For all you Roxy Music fans.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 01:33 PM
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38. I'd prefer Original Recipe Virginia and Extra Crispy Virginia
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:14 AM
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25. We could call them Virginia: The Original and Virginia: Reloaded
:7
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Anaxamander Donating Member (550 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 12:45 PM
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32. LOL. Virginia II: Electric Boogaloo (nt)
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CrownPrinceBandar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 11:51 AM
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27. Whats going on here!!!!
Edited on Tue Feb-10-04 11:53 AM by foamdad
I thought I felt y'all's grubby hands all over my state!

Get 'em Mountie!

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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 12:38 PM
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31. No. West Virginia is just fine, carry on.
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 01:14 PM
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36. West Virginia wanted to be distinguished from "Virginia"
Edited on Tue Feb-10-04 01:16 PM by cosmicdot
East Virginia and West Virginia may not have made the distinction clear

an example of how geography can affect politics, government, socio-economic differences, etc.

I'm a born and bred Virginian.

West Virginia just had had enough of the Piedmont and Tidewater fat cats ...

Actually, I wrote a term paper on the geopolitcs of the split-up for one of my college courses.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 01:35 PM
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39. Not modifying Virginia seems to give it an artificial claim to legitimacy
as the "real" virginia
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 03:24 PM
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42. that sounds reasonable ... of course, most of it used to be all "Virginia"
our own aristocracy ...

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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 01:24 PM
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37. Why is there no West Mount Houston?
There's a street in Houston called "East Mount Houston". Not only is there no "West Mount Houston", there's no "Mount Houston" at all.

The Houston area is FLAT, FLAT, FLAT.

This has bothered me for a long time!
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Snow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 01:35 PM
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40. East Virginia
Here you go:
http://www.ibiblio.org/jimmy/folkden/East.html

This love song was also passed around by word of mouth, throughout the Appalachain Mountains for many years.I learned it at the Old Town School of Folk Music.
This recording was made in the late 50's at my home, 57 East Division Street, in Chicago. I used a Pentron reel to reel tape recorder running at 7 1/2 IPS.



East Virginia

I was born and raised in East Virginia
North Carolina I did roam
And there I met the fairest maiden
Her name and age I do not know
Her hair it was of a light brown color
Her cheeks they were of a rosy red
And on her breasts she wore white lilies
Where I long to lay my head

I'd rather be in some dark 'holler'
Where the sun don't never shine
Than to see he wed another
And to know that she's never be mine

I was born and raised in East Virginia
North Carolina I did roam
And there I met the fairest maiden
Her name and age I do not know

1998 McGuinn Music - Roger McGuinn
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-10-04 02:05 PM
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41. In LA
We have South Los Angeles (formally South-Central), West LA, East LA but no North LA (which would be The Valley).

Also there's Hollywood, North Hollywood and West Hollywood but no East or South Hollywood.

WHEN WILL THIS MADNESS END????
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 03:33 PM
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44. Don't tell people in Central Virginia they aren't seperate
Honestly when I moved here 10 years ago I was amazed at how absolutely no attention is paid in the Richmond area to anything but Charlottesville and NoVa. Hampton Roads (1 + hour away) might as well be on Mars for all they care, trust me they feel the same way. Roanoke isn't even on their map.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-12-04 04:07 PM
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45. There is...
and if you've got a 54-foot Hatteras with two MTU 12V-2000 engines, like this one...



you can get there from Norfolk in an hour and a half. Just clear the breakwaters, nail the throttles and hold onto your ass.
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