Jesus: Regular Guy or Savior

[Parche]

:shrug: :shrug: :hi:

[Fire Walk With Me]

1. Jesus Jesus or Mormon Jesus?

From that banned cartoon seen yesterday in the Lounge?

[quip]

2. Yes.

Fully human, fully divine.

[Orrex]

15. Totally square and totally circle

Logical impossibilities are wonderful things, when convenient!

:evilgrin:

[quip]

20. Well, for that matter, an omniscient, all powerful

God is a logical impossibility as well, wouldn't you agree? And for that matter, the existence of the universe is a logical impossibility.

So the fully human/fully divine paradox is in good company :hi:

[IndianaJones]

3. our salvation. nt.

[Parche]

4. Salvation Army?

:shrug: :shrug: :hi:

[La Lioness Priyanka]

6. not as much as shiva. nt

[IndianaJones]

7. who is this shiva you speak of? nt.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

8. the destroyer. also the most powerful god. nt

[IndianaJones]

9. which is the god of the thugee (sp?) I'm down with that one. nt.

[Fire Walk With Me]

10. Kali, the Black Mother?

[IndianaJones]

12. sounds right. cool name too. nt.

[Parche]

11. Shivas Regal

:woohoo: :hi:

[IndianaJones]

13. you are completely dissing religion. nt.

[Fire Walk With Me]

16. I would only dis religion for 12-year-old oak-cask aged Talisker.

Or the 16-year-old Lagavulin.

[XemaSab]

25. 12-year-old oak-cask aged Talisker

:9

[Parche]

18. Gloom and Diss pair

I diss pise religion......:woohoo: :hi:

[redqueen]

5. Regular John

http://youtube.com/watch?v=00RUcDFLc2o

[LeftyMom]

14. Likely didn't exist at all. nt

[Ishoutandscream2]

23. Yes.

Almost a comic book hero of the era.

[mvd]

24. We could argue that forever

Not getting into it here.

[Ishoutandscream2]

27. You are absolutely right

And what I said wasn't meant to be blasphemous. To me, he seemed to be a great being created as a hero who took care of the poor and weak. Again, kind of like a Superman. No disrespect intended, just my opinion.

[mvd]

28. My opinion is there is enough evidence

Why would there be such a ruckus over a comic hero? That's my opinion, that he existed and he was part divine. Thanks for clarifying, though. :hi:

[Ishoutandscream2]

29. Using a modern day analogy

He was, in my opinion, a piece of fiction. A super being. I'm sorry about the term comic book hero, but that was the first thing I thought of.

[mvd]

30. Well, I stated my opinion above

That there is enough evidence to the contrary. I believe Muhammad and the rest also existed.

On edit: I'm not sure if he was physically divine, but I believe he was sent by God on a mission.

[BarenakedLady]

17. A charismatic preacher

:shrug:

[Parche]

19. BarenakedJesus?

:rofl: :hi:

[TK421]

21. I think someone should warn Jesus that an enormous dove is about to

take a dump on his head :o

[mvd]

22. Savior, but apparently one of the most misunderstood people..

ever. Look at all the conflicts over religion.

[XemaSab]

26. Regular guy with divinely inspired insight about people and how we should live.

:)

[quip]

31. Hmmm, I like that.

:think: :hi:

[mvd]

32. That's somewhat how I think

I think he was sent by God on a mission, but I'm not sure his body was divine. I think some of the miracles can be explained by Jesus just being ahead of his time.

[HERVEPA]

33. Or worse - Great song, great British left-wing singer,

and please don't call me anti-Christian. Take what you want from the song.


Stand Up For Judas
(Leon Rosselson)
Chorus:
So stand up, stand up for Judas and the cause that Judas served
It was Jesus who betrayed the poor with his word

The Romans were the masters when Jesus walked the land
In Judea and in Galilee they ruled with an iron hand
And the poor were sick with hunger and the rich were clothed in splendour
And the rebels whipped and crucified hung rotting as a warning
And Jesus knew the answer
Said, Give to Caesar what is Caesar's, said, Love your enemies
But Judas was a Zealot and he wanted to be free
Resist, he said, The Romans' tyranny
.
Jesus was a conjuror, miracles were his game
And he fed the hungry thousands and they glorified his name
He cured the lame and the lepers, he calmed the wind and the weather
And the wretched flocked to touch him so their troubles would be taken
And Jesus knew the answer
All you who labour, all you who suffer only believe in me
But Judas sought a world where no one starved or begged for bread
The poor are always with us, Jesus said
.
Now Jesus brought division where none had been before
Not the slaves against their masters but the poor against the poor
Set son to rise up against father, and brother to fight against brother
For he that is not with me is against me, was his teaching
Said Jesus, I am the answer
You unbelievers shall burn forever, shall die in your sins
Not sheep and goats, said Judas, But together we may dare
Shake off the chains of misery we share
.
Jesus stood upon the mountain with a distance in his eyes
I am the way, the life, he cried, The light that never dies
So renounce all earthly treasures and pray to your heavenly father
And he pacified the hopeless with the hope of life eternal
Said Jesus, I am the answer
And you who hunger only remember your reward's in Heaven
So Jesus preached the other world but Judas wanted this
And he betrayed his master with a kiss
.
By sword and gun and crucifix Christ's gospel has been spread
And 2.000 cruel years have shown the way that Jesus led
The heretics burned and tortured, and the butchering, bloody crusaders
The bombs and rockets sanctified that rain down death from heaven
They followed Jesus, they knew the answer
All non-believers must be believers or else be broken
So put no trust in Saviours, Judas said, For everyone
Must be to his or her own self - a sun

[applegrove]

34. Jesus was a great man who taught about love at a time when people

often blamed each other for bad luck.

[SoxFan]

35. Both

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

36. Religious kook, cult leader.

Got in a fight with a government, lost, and because a martyr for period radio talk show hosts.

[HERVEPA]

37. Great!

[Deep13]

38. neither

There was no regular guy as described in the NT and we don't need saving.

[edwin]

39. That creep can roll, man.

;-)

[StrongBad]

40. Both, but not a saviour in the fundamentalist sense

I think he was a regular guy who knew what was up, yet also a saviour in the sense that he (through how he lived his life) gave humanity an alternative to the selfish and egocentric life that humans tend to lead.

Was he literally the son of God rather than just divinely inspired? Did he really rise from the dead? It's sometimes hard for me to make that leap of faith but don't rule out the possibility.