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Lostmessage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 10:47 PM
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Is a size 10 big for women?
I never weigh myself and I needed to know if a size 10 is big or is it average.
I had a comment made one day that I had too much junk in my trunk and I freaked out.

I am 5'5 and I wear a size 10 is that big? I see size 0's in the store and my arm wouldn't fit in a leg on that size.

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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 10:48 PM
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1. nope...
whatever size fits you is what works best on you. Don't give into the bullshit about needing to be a size 2.

I've known plenty of beautiful, attractive women in a size 10.
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Lostmessage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 10:50 PM
Response to Reply #1
4. Whoopee Goldberg's commercial
About dieting says something about her either getting into a 12 or wearing a 12.

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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 10:54 PM
Response to Reply #4
11. very disappointed with Whoopie
major sell out.
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Dookus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 10:57 PM
Response to Reply #11
15. I haven't seen any of her commercials...
what's she plugging?

But nonetheless, she's rather zaftig, and still very attractive (in a non-traditional sense - the whole missing eyebrow thing is weird).
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Lostmessage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 11:04 PM
Response to Reply #15
19. Is it Atkins?
She made me feel fat when she said that she was a 12 or something to that effect and she needed to loose weight.
My TV is broken so I am not sure what she is talking about.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 11:55 AM
Response to Reply #15
223. Slim Fast
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Bertha Venation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 10:27 AM
Response to Reply #11
77. Yep. n/t
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Demonaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 08:14 AM
Response to Reply #1
214. yep its big...but the question is....do you care?
be happy with who you are
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CivilRightsNow Donating Member (646 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 09:16 AM
Response to Reply #214
217. 10 is not big!
How ridiculous. The average american woman cant fit into a 10, by a longshot.
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Demonaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 12:16 PM
Response to Reply #217
224. then the average american woman is big
but define big?, I did not say fat nor obese, I like big women, a girl needs some meat on her bones
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 10:49 PM
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2. No. Or no. Or no. Or no.
ORNO!

Attractive is what attractive does, eh?
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EstimatedProphet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 10:52 PM
Response to Reply #2
7. Well put!
Attractiveness is not an inverse of body size.
Pity more people aren't aware of that...
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KathCO Donating Member (96 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 10:50 PM
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3. size 10 is pretty small actually
Edited on Sat Jan-31-04 10:52 PM by KathCO
a woman who is 5'6" and wears a size 10 has virtually no fat on her at all. I know of several woman who are size 10 and they are not big at all. The average size for woman is actually size 14+. Unfortuanately this is considered big.

Marilyn Monroe was a size 14.

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Lostmessage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 10:51 PM
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6. Thanks
I see size 0, 2, 4 and 6 and it looks so small. I don't remember that size being around in the early 80's.
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 11:23 PM
Response to Reply #6
24. Those sizes
were still in the children's department in the 80's.
I do remember size 6 back then. On a hanger, not on me.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 11:52 PM
Response to Reply #24
34. In the 60's a size 12 was 34" bust...25" waist....36 " hip
Most clothing runs started at size 6 for womens... size 5 for juniors..

plus sizes started at size 18..

My aunt owned a clothing store, and I worked for her and helped with the buying..

The more expensive the clothes, the more "generous" the cut.. An old salesman said that it was a way to endear the ladies to that particular brand... and they were willing to pay more to have clothes that "fitted them better" ..

Rent some old 60's movies and you will see that women were not in to anorexia back then.. I think the 80's is when women got "goofy" about the size thing..

Oddly, way back then most shoe stores did not stock women's shoes past about sz 8 .. and they started at size 4..







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put out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 06:14 AM
Response to Reply #34
52. Indeed, clothing is now cut bigger.
What was, not so long ago (20 years or so) a size 6 is now a 2 or 4. A 10 is not "big", but it is a bigger garment than it would have been if bought in the 60s or 70s. Marilyn Monroe would now be about a 6 or 8. She had an average (if you want to call it that) build for her height, about 5'5". I own vintage garments from the 40's and 50's, and they are size 6 and 8, and the suits are 10s.

I have trouble buying clothing now, because I am a short woman with a slight build. There is a need for sophisticated, or just sane, clothing in small sizes, and all the well-made business stuff is sized even bigger. I wore a 6 or 7 20 years ago. I weigh the same, but now my size is 2 or 4. I can't find clothes in my size on the rack unless I pay a bunch more money at specialty shops (yuck), and hip huggers/baby shirts, hey lots of that crap in my size, do not go over well at work when you're middle-aged..

I sure don't mean to piss folks off, but there is a need for grown-up clothes for grown-up women who were a 6, then a 4, now a 2, what next? go to work in a bathrobe?
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 10:22 AM
Response to Reply #52
72. Still, if you look at Ms. Monroe she definitely was a size 10 or 12
Edited on Sun Feb-01-04 10:23 AM by Skittles
she had curves like real women do
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veganwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 10:32 AM
Response to Reply #72
78. today marilyn monroe would not be able to get a job
in modeling. by todays standards shes considered fat.

the best thing i ever did was stop stepping on a scale.

when i went in for my ob/gyn appointment they asked my weight and i told them i didnt know.
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Lauren2882 Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 02:59 PM
Response to Reply #72
138. Ok, so women with slender builds aren't real women? n/t
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 03:14 PM
Response to Reply #138
143. I don't think Skittles meant that
I think she meant that the majority of women do have curves and padding. Some of the men on this board think it's OK to judge women by their size, and it's these attitudes and pressures from society that lead to eating disorders.

Of course petite women are real women! It's just that the majority of women (in America, anyway) are not small. Lucky you! I am petite on the bottom but, because of square shoulders and big boobs, could never be classified as such on top!

:-)
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 05:10 PM
Response to Reply #52
159. Aren't women about 2 inches taller than in the 40s
Edited on Sun Feb-01-04 05:12 PM by spooky3
and an inch or more taller than in the 60s? Not that that explains everything, but both women and men are bigger than 40+ years ago, in other words, it is not simply that we're heavier now and can't deal with the sizes. Also, you would need to control for race since some races are on average shorter/taller than others, and the diversity is now greater.

The fact that we are taller as well as heavier would also explain the larger shoe sizes.
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put out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 07:02 PM
Response to Reply #159
179. No. They are not. Men and Women are not taller and bigger.
Most of the tall thing began to happen and the being big thing began to happen after the Depression in the 30's. That was when we got enough food to eat. It pretty much topped out by 1958. No, as a country, we are not growing taller. We have all the nutrition we need. Yes, we are not taller now, but much more generously built.

And, also, no, mens' shoe sizes are sized LARGER, I wear a size 6 female but an 8 male.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 07:08 PM
Response to Reply #179
180. do you have a link? i think that I have seen data that women tend to be
about an inch or two taller than their mothers, who were also taller than their mothers. I am 4 inches taller than my mother, for example. That would mean that (white) women on average would be several inches taller.

Regarding shoe sizes, earlier it was posted

"Oddly, way back then most shoe stores did not stock women's shoes past about sz 8 .. and they started at size 4.."

My point is that women are bigger in every way now, and they now wear bigger shoes than they did, so shoes have to stock larger shoes than they did "way back then." It doesn't have anything to do with men's shoe sizes.
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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 07:09 PM
Response to Reply #179
181. So why is my mother 5' 4"???
My sister 5' 9"? I am 5' 10"? One niece is 6' and the other (the "short" woman in the family) 5' 8"???

We definitely are getting taller.
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Piltdown13 Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 07:32 PM
Response to Reply #181
183. Height is an interesting trait.
It's affected by environmental factors as well as genetics -- and the genetics are fairly complicated, it's not "tall vs. short" in the way it's "can roll tongue vs. can't roll tongue". In your family it appears that women are getting taller, which could be due to the genetic input from the male members of the family or to stochastic variation -- there are also cases of very tall parents producing shorter-than-average offspring. But on a population level, we seem to be evening out somewhat. In terms of large-scale population averages, we're probably about as high as we're going to get; pre-agricultural and prehistoric peoples (heck, even African Homo erectus) were close to what we would consider today's average, and some populations were taller. Agriculture, higher population density, and poorer nutrition pushed population means down, and within the past century that pressure was relieved in wealthier countries. (I'm talking primarily about Europeans here, BTW.)

As far as shoe sizes go (responding to other folks here) -- I thought men's sizes were about 1.5 sizes larger than women's? IOW, I wear a 9 to 10 in women's shoes but a 7.5 to 8 in men's shoes (definitely the way to go for track spikes -- who wants to pay extra for pretty colors?).
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 07:39 PM
Response to Reply #183
184. one more time--we're not comparing men's vs. women's shoe sizes
The point was that women of today wear larger shoes than women of yesteryear, which could be explained by their greater height. Please see my earlier post and those to which it was responding.
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Piltdown13 Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 07:48 PM
Response to Reply #184
187. Yes, I read those posts.
No need to get snippy. I don't know if women today actually do have bigger feet than they used to; that may very well be the case, and it could be explained by their greater height. (Or not; some of us have really big feet despite not being very tall.) But, I don't think many studies of foot size have really been done :-). The only reason I mentioned the shoe thing was because of a comment a few posts up saying that someone wore a size 6 in women's shoes but an 8 in men's; if we're talking about current US sizes, that's completely counter to my experience. But the shoe comment in my post was a throwaway comment totally peripheral to the main point, which is that average heights in this country, at least among those of European descent, are leveling off.

Hope that clears it up.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 07:42 PM
Response to Reply #183
185.  "Children in Northern Europe grow taller than their parents...
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/mole00/mole00125....

"Children in Northern Europe grow taller than their
parents, and this has been going on for generations.
The Dutch and Scandinavian people are now among the
tallest in the world. But why? A balanced diet,
healthy pregnancies, optimal medical child care, and
high social standards result in more height. But even
correcting for the absence of vitamin deficiencies and
crippling diseases from the past, it is hard to
explain why tweens are now few inches taller than the
tweens of 20 years ago."

attributed to Dr. Trudy Wassenaar (Dutch)

I wasn't able to find anything quickly re: the US.
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Piltdown13 Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 08:00 PM
Response to Reply #185
188. I agree with the doctor, that is hard to explain
The first question I'd ask would be about, for want of a better term, mating patterns. If a population of tall people primarily marries within the population, it might be expected that their average height would drift higher.

I don't have the references to hand right now, but I don't recall reading about something similar happening in the US over the past few decades. I would think that, given the greater diversity in our population than that seen in Scandinavian countries (not to mention greater population size) it would be difficult for such a trend to get started.
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Lostmessage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 10:57 PM
Response to Reply #159
196. I agree with you
The size shoe that one of my Sisters wears is a 5 and she can't buy shoes anymore in some stores she has to either go to China Town or order them over the Internet.
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Piltdown13 Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 12:01 PM
Response to Reply #6
90. Exactly.
I think I read somewhere that manufacturers have been "sizing up" their clothes, so what used to be a 6 is now an 8, or something like that; thus, the smaller sizes are now REALLY small. Pretty stupid idea, if you ask me -- why would you want women who used to be a lower size to all of a sudden be a larger size, even if their bodies stayed exactly the same?

Actually my big pet peeve is the way so many clothes these days are cut for skinny women with no hips (i.e., teenagers, but these clothes are in many stores). I'm definitely not fat, but boy, some of those clothes sure make me look like I am!
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hyphenate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 05:32 PM
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162. Unless you're anorexic they're too small......
Anything under an 6 is considered too small--for all those young girls who sprout up to 5'6" and taller but don't have any meat on their bones at all. For the average woman, 6-12 is a good size range, with 14 great for taller women. For a petite like me, a 14 is big, but an 8 would be a great fit--if I ever got to it. ;)
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Lefta Dissenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 05:54 PM
Response to Reply #6
173. why do you think
those sizes are still on the racks? All of the NORMAL sizes have sold out! :)
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 10:51 PM
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5. No, and I wish I could do ten again.
It's just right for your height. Don't listen to all the girls who try to tell you that they wear a two. They are lying.
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 10:52 PM
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8. it's obvious from reading your posts
that you are a smart and attractive woman.

it great to want to take care of yourself, and you should have goals, but don't get all bogged down and freaked out about what size society thinks you should be able to fit into.
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Bertha Venation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 10:26 AM
Response to Reply #8
76. Very well said, KG! n/t
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soleft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 10:52 PM
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9. Jesus no!
I've heard that the average size for women in America is 14. But even that's meaningless. Are you healthy? Is your blood pressure and cholestrol and blood sugar in healthy ranges? Are you able to move freely and do everything you want to do without feeling overly tired? Are you able to buy clothes that you like and make you feel attractive?

Ignore the media and the culture - if you feel good and you believe you look good that's all that counts, whatever size you are.
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 10:58 PM
Response to Reply #9
17. size ten was a while ago for me
I was a size 8 in junior high, when I had no body to speak of. I can occasionally wear a ten top, but bottom is usually 12 or 14. I just chortle to myself when I see clothes that are size 2,4, or 6. Most women are a 14. What frustrates me is that clothing in average sizes is not nearly as interesting as I would like it to be. There must be something between teen clothing for Britney, et al and sack dresses! Maybe I am not going to the right stores.
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Ramsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 10:54 PM
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10. Size 10 is average
Although the height-to-weight ratio is obviously more important. Size 0 wouldn't fit on my big toe, but I am 5'8".
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 05:16 PM
Response to Reply #10
160. Are you sure? I read that the average American woman
is around 5' 4" and weighs about 150 lbs. That would not be a a 10, would it?
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qwertyMike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 10:55 PM
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12. Is that 10 inches?
Edited on Sat Jan-31-04 10:56 PM by qwertyMike
I only got 10 centimetres - give or take

This poll is accurate to +- 40%
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qwertyMike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 10:58 PM
Response to Reply #12
16. And size 10
is awesome for me



<drool>
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fairfaxvadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 10:56 PM
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13. I know women smaller than me who wear a larger size...
A lot of that has nothing to do with weight but how you are built. I am always suprised to hear among female coworkers who are smaller than I (shorter, weigh less, or whatever) wear a size or 2 larger. So obviously it has nothing to do with weight in many cases.

I think a 10 is average for most American women.
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Lostmessage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 10:57 PM
Response to Original message
14. I walked past this guy the other day
He was like hey mama I like your butt. It was embarrassing to the point that I took off running.
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Blue-Jay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 07:47 PM
Response to Reply #14
186. Yeah, well, I could've caught up with you too,
but I tripped on either a large child or a smallish dwarf. (That line usually works better)


:P

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NYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 11:02 PM
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18. Size 10 is an average size.
Nothing out of the ordinary. Ignore any comments regarding your size.
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Lostmessage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 11:14 PM
Response to Reply #18
20. I am happy at this size
Edited on Sat Jan-31-04 11:14 PM by Lostmessage
I might go on Atkins and get down to an 8 but I don't think that I want to bother.

I don't weigh myself and I don't care about how much I weigh.
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chicaloca Donating Member (704 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 11:42 PM
Response to Reply #20
31. NO, it's not.
And anyone who says it's big is a freaking fascist misogynist. Honestly, no matter what you do, people are going to have a problem with your body simply because you're a woman. I'm a size 7, and I've had people ridicule me both for being too big and for being too small. You just can't win if you were born with a uterus. What American society likes right now is women who look like corpses, who are so thin that they can't even menstruate. Tomorrow it could be back to the "bigger is better" standard. It's just a way of controlling us so we don't worry about important things, like careers or politics. I truly believe that if we as women stopped worrying about our size and looks long enough to get politically involved, this country would not be in the state it's in now--but with Republicans in control of the media, all we see is this horribly skinny beauty ideal that's unattainable for most women--and those who normally have those bodies are also mocked because everyone assumes they have an eating disorder (because yeah, eating disorders are so funny and all). :eyes:

Anyhow, I'm sorry--I kind of got off on a tangent here, but this is one issue that irks me to no end--not because _you_ feel that way, but because some sorry jerks have made you feel that way. Nobody has any right to comment on a stranger's body and make you feel bad for being normal and healthy. NOBODY. And if there's any way I can track down the people who've made you feel this way, let me know and I'll treat them to a nice uncomfortable judo throw. :)
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 12:01 AM
Response to Reply #31
38. Indeed
I have a good friend who was a supermodel in the '70s. She swears that she never knew a model who wasn't bulemic (sp?),anorexic, or using illegal substances to be thin. She says all she can remember of that time of her life was extreme hunger (she was 6' and weighed 120).

Interesting to note that the "ideal" size was around a 16/18 for hundreds of years until the 1920s, when Coco Chanel made thin in.

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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 12:49 PM
Response to Reply #31
101. I AGREE!
I was a child of The Diet Generation (high school in the late 70s) we all starved ourselves and thought nothing of it.

I want my daughters to eat healthy food, refrain from both dieting and compuslive eating, (they are flip sides of the same coin IMO) exercise and celebrate and LOVE their healthy bodies. The odds are certainly stacked against them in this freaking mall culture we live in.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 09:30 AM
Response to Reply #20
66. Probably better to exercise and forget the diet. I just started Curves,
and I LOVE it. I couldn't care less about "losing," I did it because I have insulin-dependent diabetes and a minor heart defect.

I love it, I love it, I love it! At any given time, there are tiny women in their 70s and Latifah types in their 20s, and everything in between. Nobody in Lycra, everybody in sweats and t-shirts. The atmosphere is great and not the least bit intimidating. The big plus is--everyone is enjoying themselves, and I am not exaggerating, they really are.

http://www.curvesinternational.com/
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Bertha Venation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 10:33 AM
Response to Reply #20
79. BRAVA!
Good for you, Lostmessage. Sounds like you've arrived at the most comfortable place on this subject.

Keep asking questions. About everything.
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 11:15 PM
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21. Ever heard of Christine Lavin?
http://www.christinelavin.com/00113003coldpizza.html

"Cold Pizza for Breakfast" is one of the cutest songs EVER!

Guess what? Beauty is in the hands of the beholder and "size" is a BS idea to fuck with women's heads!

Some people eat grapefruit for breakfast
Some people eat oatmeal
There are those
Who are sure
Granola is a very good deal
But not me
I don't go for that stuff
When it comes to nourishment
I get more than enough
Nothing satisfies my taste
Then sittin' down to a great big plate of

Cold Pizza for Breakfast
Warm Coke to wash it down (Ahhhhh)
Maybe a couple of anchovies
Make this meal well rounded
I want Cold Pizza for Breakfast
And a pinch 'o cold spaghetti will do
But there's nothin' in the world that I like better than
Eatin' Cold Pizza with you.

My man takes me out for the evening
He treats me so nice
We go to the movies
We go dancing
We go for more than a slice
Yes we order a pie
We eat what we can
We take the rest home
That's part of the plan
And in the morning when sun rise
He sees that crazy look in my eyes

I want Cold Pizza for Breakfast
Warm Coke to wash it down (Ahhhhh)
Maybe a couple of onion rings
Make this world go round
I want Cold Pizza for Breakfast
And a pinch 'o cold spaghetti will do
But there's nothin' in the world that I like better than
Eatin' Cold Pizza with you

Herman Tarnaur would never approve
I can hear him (I can hear him - I can hear him)
Spinning in his grave
He could be alive eating pizza right now
Except for when it came to dating women
The good doctor did not know how to behave
ya ya ya
Herman was healthy
But Herman is dead
(Pizza surely didn't do him in)
A Pizza surely didn't do him in
(Pizza surely didn't do him in)
Jean Harris is behind bars
Lookin' quite sad
And think, do you see what I'm gettin' at
You tend to kill when you're skinny
But not when you're fat


So gimmie Pizza for Breakfast
Warm Coke to wash it down (Ahhhhh)
Maybe a couple of pepperoni
Make this girl well round, ah
Give me Cold Pizza for Breakfast
And a pinch 'o cold spaghetti will do
But there's nothin' in the world that I like better than
Eatin' Cold Pizza with you
Nothin' in the world that I like better than
Eatin' Cold Pizza oh oh oh
Nothin' in the world that I like better than
Eatin'
Cold Pizza
With you.


If you ever get to hear this song you'll "get" what I'm saying.
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Lostmessage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 11:20 PM
Response to Reply #21
23. The lyrics are great
I don't mind being this size what made me wonder was Whoopee commercial and a comment about my butt.
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 11:33 PM
Response to Reply #23
29. Try this...
Edited on Sat Jan-31-04 11:36 PM by JanMichael
http://www.snazzyamericanamusic.com/sounds/Lavinpizza.m...

It's a very cool song if you can get it.
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Virginian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 11:20 PM
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22. Shoes, sort of - Clothes, NO!!!!!
It depends on your age and I am guessing you are a teen. You probably weigh somewhere around 112? You are a good weight, pretty close to perfect.

These days Size 10 is smaller than average.

Most of those kids who wear size 0 probably haven't reached puberty yet.

Don't worry about carrying the weight in the buns, Hon. That seems to be J Lo's major asset.
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Lostmessage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 11:25 PM
Response to Reply #22
26. I am 39 years old
No, I am not a kid anymore but thanks for compliment. J Lo's butt is OK and I am a girl saying that.
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chicaloca Donating Member (704 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 12:30 AM
Response to Reply #26
41. that reminds me of something else....
Sorry, I just can't stop posting on your thread.... :) Anyhow, every ten years after you're twenty (for women) you're supposed to gain five or ten pounds to stay in your target weight range, so I'd say you're actually smaller than the average for your age--Size ten is the low to middle end of average for women in their early twenties.

And honestly, that stupid comment that guy made sounded more like he was complimenting you in his own lame-ass way. Since he's probably never had a random stranger complimenting his ass in public, he doesn't understand how humiliating and scary it is. Most women I know get comments like that all the time, and I've heard that some women carry business-looking cards around to hand out to morons who do stuff like that. The cards say something along the lines of "Great job, you've just made someone feel like crap, but you're the loser who's going to die alone and lonely and miserable." Except it's a lot wittier than that.
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Melsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 11:23 PM
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25. It's smaller than average
I'm a size 16/18 and I'm one hot momma.
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markses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 11:25 PM
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27. Let me buck the trend and say size 10 is, in fact, big
Sorry.
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 11:34 PM
Response to Reply #27
30. It's all relative.
You know what I mean, no?
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markses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 08:58 AM
Response to Reply #30
64. Yeah...wifey's a size 2
so I guess I have a skewed picture of the world... ;-)
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 09:35 AM
Response to Reply #64
67. actually 10 isn't big ...
my neice was a size 0 then after puberty settled in...she went to a size two and then a size four.
She is still rail thin... in fact she needs to gain more weight because she plays sports and she lacks the muscle to take a good hit from someone during basketball.

To be honest I didn't notice a difference in her when she jumped from a 0 to a 4... so from a 4 to an 8 I don't think it would take much...and women's sizes increment in even numbers...so 0, 2, 4, 6, 8, 10...
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Misinformed01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 11:19 AM
Response to Reply #64
82. I hope "wifey" is 4'10
otherwise, you might want to start cooking some bacon cheeseburgers-
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 11:32 AM
Response to Reply #82
85. 4' 10" OR 13 years old.
That'd work too.
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Misinformed01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 11:34 AM
Response to Reply #85
87. It worked for Jerry Lee Lewis
but, I think that's frowned on now.

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buddhamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 01:18 PM
Response to Reply #85
113. *cough* i'm 5' and a size 2
please, a little consideration for us vertically challenged folks who are small by design. since i am a vegetarian cheeseburgers are not an option but, i can assure you, i eat.

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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 02:19 PM
Response to Reply #113
123. Just playing.
Sort of a backlash to rather unnecessary comments on someone that was obviously disturbed about sizes.

BTW both Misinformed01 (my wife) and myself are probably considered "thin" or "fit" so I suppose we don't have a dog in the world of "You're too fat" "You're too thin"...
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markses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 12:02 PM
Response to Reply #82
91. Nope, 5'4
Edited on Sun Feb-01-04 12:08 PM by markses
She looks (and feels) great. She works out, does her yoga, and is in good shape. Great muscle tone, and healthy as all git out.

And we don't eat bacon cheeseburgers. And probably won't, like, forever.

You really don't have to be insulting about it either. The poster asked for an opinion, and I gave the opinion. Size 10 seems big for me. Another poster said it was relative, and I agreed. I don't think I insulted anyone, so there's no need for you to get snippy about it.

On edit: I guess I did say "in fact" rather than IMHO, so I'll change that to IMHO. The great contradiction, though, is on the one hand, nobody wants to say that "big is bad." I won't say it either, primarily because I don't believe it. At the same time, even though big is good, it is perceived as an insult if someone says X is big? That doesn't make any sense. Stick with one: If big is good, then don't complain if somebody says X is big.

Of course, the underlying trend of the "big is good" line is always a negative: Small is bad. "We midwesterners are good - we like a little meat on the bones" (Implication: Small is bad for us). If she isn't 4'10, you better start up with the cheeseburgers (Implication: Small is bad, and should be remedied). I never said big was bad, just that 10 is big. And back come the insults (no doubt by people who feel insulted that X is big, cuz they are X, even though they'll then turn around and tell you that big is good!). Amazing.
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Misinformed01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 12:08 PM
Response to Reply #91
92. I felt snippy
If you are old enough to be married, then you are old enough to realize that someone already hurt this posters feelings over her size.

I hope ya'll enjoy your Superbowl tofu-
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markses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 02:18 PM
Response to Reply #92
122. Why
is she hurt over her size if big is fine?

And have a nice triple bypass.
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 02:40 PM
Response to Reply #122
133. Probably because
someone made a hurtful comment, not because big itself is bad, especially considering she's only a size 10 in the first place. Just because people are hurtful an judgmental doesn't make them right.
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Lostmessage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 03:16 PM
Response to Reply #133
144. Thanks
I thought that I was in the middle somewhere and I don't care about size except if I am caring a huge caboose on the back of me.

I have stiff neck right now from looking at my behind. Hell I don't care I have a good looking man that goes out with me to eat once in a while so F-it.

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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 01:04 PM
Response to Reply #91
104. Small is bad?
Well, I guess you'll get that impression more often when you respond to someone's post about being made fun because of their size by telling them they're big, then brag about how small your wife is.

I'm sorry for being so blunt, but size 2 is not the be all and end all of good looks and good health for everyone. Pointing that out isn't saying small is bad, it is saying that fixating on a person's size and comparing it to a standard that isn't the norm for most people is not only harmful, but insulting.

There's nothing wrong with being small. I think the responses were more because you were responding to the OP in a hurtful and inappropriate way.
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markses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 02:16 PM
Response to Reply #104
121. I don't think so
I can assent to the following propositions

1) A woman my wife's size can be beautiful.
2) Women who are size 10, size 12, size 14, size 16, 18, 20, 22+ can be beautiful.

I don't need to negate one to assert the other. That seems to be the trend here. It is for this very reason that my first response was not inappropriate: Size 10 is big (as I see it), but big is not bad. Y'ALL are implying that big is bad by getting huffy about it, or by claiming that saying "10 is big" is insulting. Not me. Nor was I bragging about wifey being small; I implied no value one way or t'other; Y'ALL did that with your nastiness. As for comparing to a norm, I already assented that the whole question was relative and subjective - in other words, if I set up a norm in my first post, I quickly took it back upon being called on it. Size 2 is obviously not an absolute norm. If we took the set of all women in America, the norm average would be what? Size 14, 16, 18?

From my perspective, size 10 is big, cuz I'm used to smaller. That's all I said. What I should have said, apparently, is "Oh, no, size 10 isn't big! Don't feel bad about being a size 10, even though you shouldn't feel bad even if it were big, since being big is nothing to feel bad about anyway...but let me reassure you that you are a medium in any case, if only to make you feel better!" A stupid and self-contradictory exercise.

If big is beautiful, then why should anyone care if someone says "X is big"? That's what I don't get. And isn't the first poster, in wanting, apparently, to be reassured that she's not big, really the one who thinks big is bad????

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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 02:23 PM
Response to Reply #121
126. Your initial post was:
Let me buck the trend and say size 10 is, in fact, big


Sorry.


How were we to infer all of what you just said from that? And instead of clarifying it when people reacted, you pointed out that your wife is a size 2, inflaming the situation even further. This last post of yours that I'm now responding to sounds a lot better, doesn't it? And if you'd worded it that way in the beginning, I don't think anyone would have been nasty. Size is a touchy subject for a lot of people.

But, that is the problem with written communication. If we could have heard you say it, with tone of voice and facial expression, we might not have misunderstood your intention. Everyone here has probably been misunderstood at some point.



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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 06:05 PM
Response to Reply #121
174. I have a question for you...
how big are you? It could be that you are a small person yourself, so that relatively speaking, a size 10 would seem large to you. However if you are a large man, size 10 would seem small.

I would guess that you might be slightly built, and therefore more comfortable with smaller women. It's all relative. :)
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markses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 07:14 AM
Response to Reply #174
209. Hardy har
Nicely done.

I'm 6'0, 185. So, I guess that is slightly built, relatively speaking! ;-)
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Lauren2882 Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 03:03 PM
Response to Reply #91
139. Well put.
As a healthy woman who is 5'5" and a size 2/4, it's good to see sane thinking in at least some of these posts.
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 03:20 PM
Response to Reply #139
145. Really?
Edited on Sun Feb-01-04 03:32 PM by Pithlet
Because I don't think it was. I'm a woman who's been rail thin most of her life. I have a very lean build. And I wasn't a bit offended by any of the posts. The ones calling size 10 big, however, in context to what the OP said did offend me.

I get tired of the "fat" bashing that goes on in society. Believe me, responding that not everyone is a size 2 isn't bashing the skinny people.

Edited to tone it down.
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Lauren2882 Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 05:35 PM
Response to Reply #145
165. "pointing out that not everyone is a size 2"
Yes, you're right that that's not skinny-bashing.
I think it is, though, when someone implies that a size 2 or 4 isn't healthy unless it's on someone really short or young.
Fat-bashing bothers me too, but I think it's a mistake to swing too far in the other direction to the point of saying that skinny is unhealthy. I know that that kind of thing isn't done nearly as often as "fat-bashing", but that doesn't make it any less flawed.
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 08:15 PM
Response to Reply #165
189. You're right.
Edited on Sun Feb-01-04 08:43 PM by Pithlet
I do think it's because weight is such a touchy issue, and the responses might reflect that, combined with the pressure to be unhealthfully thin. But it isn't right to bash anyone just because of their size, big or small. And just as being "too big" isn't always a health issue, neither is being "too skinny".
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Piltdown13 Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 03:28 PM
Response to Reply #139
146. Hmmmm...
Just do keep in mind that women who are bigger than yourself are not necessarily too big, or unhealthy. I'm only an inch taller than you, and I can guarantee that people would be asking me if I were feeling well if I lost enough weight to fit into a 2 or 4. NOT saying that you're unhealthy, just pointing out that some folks' bone structure is NEVER going to permit them to fit into the smaller sizes -- heck, my shoulders are too broad for some size 6 blouses, and there's *zero* fat on that part of my anatomy! :-)
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Lauren2882 Donating Member (313 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 05:26 PM
Response to Reply #146
161. bone structure etc
I think you're right that things like bone structure matter. Also the general shape of your body/how big your breasts are - stuff like that. For example, for someone with, say, C cup breasts, being a size 2 or 4 at any height would probably indicate unhealthfulness of some kind.
For me, though, I would probably feel fat if I starting fitting into a size 10, given my frame and all of that... which isn't to say that any woman of my height who's a size 10 is fat.
I was just trying to make the point that there's nothing necessarily unhealthy about size 2 or 4 (which I do think was implied by a few other posts--not yours I don't think and certainly not the OP), and I do realize that the same certainly goes for sizes 10 or higher.
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Madrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 01:44 AM
Response to Reply #27
46. You're crazy!

About this issue, anyway. I dunno - maybe I buy different sized 9/10 clothes than everyone else - but that's what I wear, and everyone is always telling me I am "tiny" - which I disagree with, but I digress.

There's no way a size 10 is big!
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dawn Donating Member (876 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 01:55 AM
Response to Reply #27
47. Actually, it's medium.
4-6 is small, 8-10 medium, 12-14 large. 0-2 is extra small.

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Nikia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 10:14 AM
Response to Reply #27
71. Frame is an issue too
When I was at my thin size 4, I didn't look like a model. I looked like a freak. My rib cage is large frame and sticks our from the rest of my body while the rest of my trunk is medium frame and my arms are smaller framed. A little bit of weight makes me look more normal. At size 8, I am a nice hour glass shape rather reverse pear not being able to find a dress that fits because of my rob cage.
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dawn Donating Member (876 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 02:28 PM
Response to Reply #71
127. Absolutely
I'm the same way. When I was a size 4-6, I looked too thin because my frame is large. I also have a thin face, so when I was a 4, my face was wayy too thin and hollowed-out. I also kept my boobs so of course nothing fit properly. At a size 8, or even a 10, I fill out better and clothes fit me properly.
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Lizz612 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 11:29 PM
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28. Nope not at all
I know some wonderful girls just about your size, its all about attitude. You know why there are all those 0's in the store? No one buys them, they sell out of the 16's-8's first, and whats left is the far ends of the spectrum.
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salinen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 11:43 PM
Response to Reply #28
32. I think my wife is a 14
I like to curl up next to her voluptuousness. She weighs more than me too.
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Lindsey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 11:54 PM
Response to Reply #32
35. I'm a size 10
in some clothes and an 8 in others. I consider myself an average and appropriate size. I'd like to firm up and maybe loose a few pounds but I think a size 10 is fine.
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 09:37 AM
Response to Reply #32
68. Marilyn Monroe was a 14 also.....
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chicaloca Donating Member (704 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 11:52 PM
Response to Reply #28
33. good point....
Edited on Sat Jan-31-04 11:53 PM by chicaloca
All the people I know who've worked in clothing retail told me that their stores order the same amount of every size, but they know that all the more common sizes--usually twelve and up--will sell out faster, because more women are that size. After that, the sixes through tens go, and then you have the sizes that fit a tiny minority of the population. The stores know that it's pretty unfair to women who aren't tiny, but I guess it's cheaper than actually doing market research to find out who's what size. :shrug:
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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-31-04 11:57 PM
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36. When I was a kid (the 60s), size 10 was the ideal for women, in
the sense of it being the size women wanted to be. I still remember that when I look at the sizes in stores today. The times and trends changed, and the anorexic look became what is idolized in the media. (One of the hottest women in the 50s, Marilyn Monroe, would be considered overweight today.)

Sizes 0 and 2 are generally worn by teenagers, and some women in their early twenties. And perhaps some Asian women, because they tend to be quite petite. I don't think they had sizes below 6 when I was a kid. I'm only 5'1", quite small, and I probably would have fit into those sizes when I was a teenager. I also think today's sizes are not comparable to the same sizes back then: I can remember wearing a size 9 when I was in college, and now a 9 would be quite big for me. (I wear a 6, but as I said, I'm a small woman.
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put out Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 09:40 AM
Response to Reply #36
70. Yes, in the 60's size 10 was the ideal, or size eight.
Now, compare 1964 size 10 to 2004 size 10. Whole different size. You can't even compare them. It's sad, in a way, that the size number on the tag means so much to women that they must lie to themselves and clothing manufacturers are willing to be complicit in their consumers' self deceit $$$$. "Hey look, I can wear a size eight, just like I did 25 years ago (when I weighed 25 pounds less)."
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CivilRightsNow Donating Member (646 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 10:10 AM
Response to Reply #70
220. Standards for womens clothes sizes
Were created in 1958. In 1983 they were revised.

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Kat45 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 12:00 AM
Response to Original message
37. Re: Whoopie Goldberg's commerical - I think she's saying that
her dieting allowed her to fit into a size 12, so she had been heavier and is happy to fit into a 12. (At least that was my take on it.) I think it might be Slim Fast that she's advertising, but I'm not sure if I'm remembering the product correctly.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 12:05 AM
Response to Original message
39. No, a zillion times no!
A size 10 is almost petite.
And what is "too much" junk in the trunk?
I LIKE a womann with a nice, round butt.
(oh, alright, if it's a butt, and it's on a woman, I like it)
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chicaloca Donating Member (704 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 12:07 AM
Response to Original message
40. ooohhh, another thing that you can do.....
Edited on Sun Feb-01-04 12:08 AM by chicaloca
After having one too many men make fun of my fatness or thinness or hair or skin (it's something different every goddamn day, and I can guarantee that I'm a pretty attractive person no matter what your standards are) I went to Northern Sun one day and bought this button:



They also have it as a T-shirt and a magnet.

This one's also pretty good:



Their website is at www.northernsun.com . I don't know how you feel about wearing buttons, but wearing my very vulgar button on my backpack makes me feel a _lot_ better, because that's exactly how I feel about everyone thinking that my body is public property just because I've stepped outside.

On edit: The buttons are actually pretty small, although the images make them look huge. They cost a buck each, or if you're in the Minneapolis area you can go to their store and buy them there.
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qwertyMike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 12:42 AM
Response to Original message
42. This is my 18 yr old daughters graduation pic
Edited on Sun Feb-01-04 12:44 AM by qwertyMike
She's not fat, or thin.
But she oozes confidence.
Always first on the dance floor.
18
And the guys who come-a-calling are, well, I APPROVE
They have guitars and make compilation CD's for her.




It's all about personality

PROUD DAD

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Odessey Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 08:58 AM
Response to Reply #42
63. Your daughter is...
lovely!
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qwertyMike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 12:01 PM
Response to Reply #63
89. I know :)
:7
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Lostmessage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 03:04 PM
Response to Reply #42
140. She is very pretty
Celtic people are beautiful.
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 04:28 PM
Response to Reply #42
157. Can't go wrong with boys who play git-tar
Speaking as a guitar-playing fella (20 years now), they tend to be the most sensitive and make the best mates. At least that's what my size 12 wife tells me! :D
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CShine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 12:52 AM
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43. Too big for what??????????
Edited on Sun Feb-01-04 01:00 AM by CShine
It's not enough to ask if your size is too big for "women."

Obviously, this was asked for more complex reasons than the overly simplistic question that started this thread.

Is a size 10 too big if you want to attract an evil, misogynist Nazi-man asshole?? Well, probably yes.

Is a size 10 too big if you want to be sure you're not so overweight that you're at a high risk of dying before you see your grandchildren born? Well, it depends on your health. This is the real question that nobody on this board seems willing to face.

If we're talking about the Vogue magazine-style, eating disorder kind of weight-as-sexiness issue then no, size 10 is not a problem.

If we're talking about taking good care of yourself to make sure that you live a long life then it's not a question for a message board. It's a question to ask your doctor.

As a DU man, if my woman gets so seriously overweight that I'm concerned about whether or not she'll live to an old age (she hasn't gotten to that point, by the way) then it definitely IS too big. If you're going to get obsessed with the weight-as-sexuality thing then you need to get into therapy. If you want to know about whether or not your weight is truly HEALTHY then ask your doctor.

I'm sorry if that comes off as cold, but dammit, that's how I feel.

My woman looks sexy to me even if she doesn't look "Vogue"-style perfect. I love her, and nothing will change that. But if I think her weight is going to affect her HEALTH, that is a serious issue and I will say so.

Sorry if this offends people here, but that is how I see it. If you're obsessed with weight-as-sexuality, you're barking up the wrong tree. If your weight is going to hurt your health, that is a very, very serious problem.

Flame away. Kick my ass for being a man, but I'm not going to be quiet about the issue of women who get so big that they won't live to know their grandchildren. I will simply not accept excessive weight as an excuse to die. Your grandchildren deserve better than that.

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chicaloca Donating Member (704 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 01:16 AM
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45. well....yeah.
I don't think anyone here is saying that morbid obesity is a good thing...It's just that the poster obviously _isn't_ morbidly obese, which is why I would assume the issue didn't come up. Nobody's going to kick your ass for being a man who doesn't want women to die. But it's important to note that there are also men who get so big that they won't live to know their grandchildren. Morbid obesity is a problem for people of _all_ sexes, not just women. (But I think it's also important to note that there are disorders that can cause people to reach an enormous size, though they're not that common, and it's important not to blame those people for their condition--but I'm assuming those aren't the people you're referring to.)
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Lostmessage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 11:33 AM
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86. Your right
I am not into a self righteous right wing Nazi type of man.
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banana republican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 01:01 AM
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44. no
Edited on Sun Feb-01-04 01:06 AM by banana republican
My first wife was a 7.
my curent wife is about a 14 +- 3 or 4.

Beleive me size matters when it comes to breasts....

he bigger the better...

P.S. after 50 years it the personality that counts. My first wife was great; my second wife is great.

I wouldn't trade either of them on a smaller model.


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dawn Donating Member (876 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 01:57 AM
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48. No, not at all!
Edited on Sun Feb-01-04 01:58 AM by dawn
It's average. I'm an 8 now, but I've been a 10 most of my adult life. I have curves. If girls with boobs and butts are considered big by men, those men can go to hell.

I think some people who have really small bones may look bigger as a 10 than those with normal-sized frames.

I don't know who fits into the 0's, either.
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bratcatinok Donating Member (786 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 02:55 PM
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137. I fit into the 0's.
Depending on the maker, I wear anywhere from a size 0 petite to a size 4 petite. I have curves and still retain a little bit of a tummy from when I was pregnant with my son 27 years ago. I'm 5'1" and weigh anywhere from 97lbs to 101lbs. I'll be 52 in July. I'm weight and height proportionate for me and that's the key...for me.

My sister is 48, is 5'5" and right now is wearing in between a size 12 regular to a size 14 regular. She looks best at a size 10 though because then she doesn't have the pear shape that she has today. She's working on getting back to a size 10 and only has a few more pounds to go. She feels better when she weighs a bit less than she does now.

I'm old enough to remember when petite sizes didn't exist and I had to shop in the pre-teen section of the department stores. It was difficult to find age appropriate clothing to fit me. Thankfully small people like me and people who are plus sized have alot more choices than there used to be 20-30 years ago. Plus sized women back then had a choice of what color tent to wear. Designers didn't recognize plus size women could have a shape and look beautiful in tailored clothing. They didn't recognize small women weren't under the age of 13 either.
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dawn Donating Member (876 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 01:23 AM
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206. Yes...proportion is important, not size.
I'd love to be petite, though, even with the pitfalls of finding clothes sometimes.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 02:12 AM
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49. Size 10 is average to small
Women's sizes are difficult to fathom. I am currently wearing a size 6 jeans that fit me fine, but I have gained a little and I have a couple of suze 8s that have gotten too snug. I have 10s that were too baggy that fit me fine just now. :shrug:

When I am shopping for clothes, I have found it difficult to find the smaller sizes. It seems to me that 12 and 14 are more average sizes for women these days. Don't freak out. You don't sound overweight to me. :-)
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RebelOne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 03:06 AM
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50. No, I wear a size 11 and I'm not fat.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 05:32 AM
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51. Better to have the junk in your trunk than junk in your brain....
....like the person who made that assinine comment.

The average woman is size 12-14

You're in great shape
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Lostmessage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 03:54 PM
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150. Thank you
I appreciate your comment.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 11:54 AM
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222. no problem
I'm also available for bitch-slappings - just send me a name!!!!
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 06:52 AM
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53. Yes. You're about 25 lbs overweight
it sounds like.

No offense. Just being real.
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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 07:36 AM
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54. 25 pounds overweight???? Are you nuts???
I'm 5'6"; weigh 120-125 and wear a size 6 or small. It's the way you are built rather than size and it's body fat ratio that determines if you're fat. :-)
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Piltdown13 Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 12:18 PM
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94. Absolutely!
I'm 5'6" and wear a size 8 in most clothes...but I weigh about 147 pounds. If you were just told my weight and height, you'd think I would wear a bigger size...but it makes sense when you also know that my body fat percentage is about 18% (25% is considered normal for women). (I normally do lots of exercise, especially weight training, which does add lots of muscle.) If you use the strict height-weight guidelines, like my doctor did, then yeah, I'd be about 15-20 lbs. overweight. But when I showed him the results of my body composition test, he realized that to lose that much weight would be really unhealthy.
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 05:34 PM
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164. According to the BMI tables, you are in the healthy range.
You are not 15-20 lbs. overweight, without regard to the muscle/fat issue.
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Piltdown13 Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 05:53 PM
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172. Yes, that's true
However, my doctor was getting concerned because my weight had been going up over the past few years -- my mother is quite heavy, and he wanted to head off any problem before it occurred. When I explained the full situation to him -- a couple of years of extreme stress that brought my weight way down (due to not eating enough), followed by a rebound, followed by starting a pretty intense weight training program -- well, that combined with the body fat percentage convinced him that maybe I didn't need to weigh 125-130 lbs. to be healthy!
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 01:16 PM
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111. Our bones are all pretty much the same. Build is all about what's packed
on them, in the way of fat and muscle.

5'6, 125 lbs is perfect.

Any more than that is overweight.
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populistmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 02:21 PM
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124. Bones structure is not always the same
My mother is the same height and weight as I am. I am two sizes smaller than she is (I have bigger chest, but that counts for only a few pounds), but for example my wrists are 6 1/2 inches wide, whereas hers are only 5 inches (I have a larger frame from my dad's side). Two women, the same height and weight, yet different bone structures, one with a greater amount of fat than the other. It is possible.
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 02:36 PM
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130. Crock o'shite
Edited on Sun Feb-01-04 02:37 PM by RationalRose
I'm currently size 10-my body weight has redistributed as I approach 40. Women have variables like hips, boobs and thighs that can add or subtract weight from their frames. I laugh at the men on this board that say "you sound like you're 25 lbs. overweight" without knowing height, frame-size and fat/muscle distribution. I have three girlfriends-all of us size 10s-but we're all built completely different.

There is no such thing as "PERFECT" and it's because of attitudes like yours that women have eating disorders. I hope you're not married...poor woman.

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Lostmessage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 06:19 PM
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177. I am a size B and I don't care if I am 25 lbs overweight
Your right no one is perfect.

Thanks!
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Piltdown13 Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 02:43 PM
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135. As someone who's studied bone morphology, I'd disagree
with the title of your post. Bone size is not necessarily similar among all people of the same height. In particular, those who put lots of stress on their bones (i.e., athletes, people who work in physically demanding occupations) tend to have heavier bones than those who don't.

I've got to challenge the rest, as well. To say that anyone 5'6" who weighs over 125 pounds is overweight is somewhat of an oversimplification, especially if you're using the term overweight in the colloquial sense (i.e., someone who has too much fat for their height and is therefore less than healthy). Someone a few posts downthread brought up the issue of athletes, many of whom weigh more than their "ideal" weights due to muscle tissue (which weighs more per unit volume than does fat). Those people might be "overweight," but they are not overfat, and in most cases it's not accurate to say that they're at an unhealthy weight.

I'm certainly not a world-class athlete, but I do tend to put on lots of muscle when I exercise. Given my body composition, if I were to lose enough weight to conform to the ideal you mention, I would either be dropping muscle mass (not good) or losing enough fat to be dangerous to my health (also not good). Height-weight charts have their place, but they don't necessarily apply in the same way to everyone.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 05:33 PM
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163. The women in topic are the average, general women we're referring to
within the population.

These aren't atheletes and don't have gland problems.

They eat too much of the wrong foods and are overweight.

I know, because I'm one of them.

I'm 25 lbs overweight. I'm 5'5 and should weigh 135 lbs, and I don't.

I've sat on my ass for too long, doing too little while metabolism has sunk to a snails' napping speed.

I'm just speaking from experience.
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Piltdown13 Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 05:49 PM
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169. Well, yes, clearly inactivity and poor diet are problematic
and often the cause of people, men and women, weighing more than they should.

I may have misinterpreted your post; it sounded like you were making a blanket statement that anything over 125 for 5'6" was overweight and bad/unhealthy. That is what I was responding to. I mean, if that's the case, I might as well resign myself to a future of poor health, because there's no way I'm seeing 125 again without starving myself -- and so might any number of other women who happen to have large frames.
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philosophie_en_rose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 02:45 PM
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136. Build Matters.
Women are not all built the same way as the mannequins used to make clothing. I have a fairly large chest for my size and have to wear clothing that is much larger up top. Without surgery, I don't think I could lose very much breast fat.

Sizes also differ depending on brands. I can wear small or medium bottoms, but usually have to go with a large top.
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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 06:24 PM
Response to Reply #111
178. My 5' 10" bones are far different than someone who is say...
5' 2".
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 11:47 PM
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198. Exactly where did you come up with this
information?? I have never seen this criteria in health journals, stats, tables or anywhere else. It sounds like you are either trying to piss people off or your standards of what the female body should conform to are seriously out of whack.

Our bone structures are not all the same. I know rather plump seeming, but small framed, women who are a size 4 - 6, and rather lean, lanky looking women w/ larger frames who are a 10 - 12. Also, muscular types tend to weigh more than women of the same size who are on the "soft" side.

Your statement is so black and white, it is hard to consider it seriously.
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Shananigans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 08:33 AM
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57. You have got to be crazy...
it's people like you that make me realize why these 16 year old anorexic kids blow thier heads off and slit their wrists because they don't feel like they fit into society.
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stanwyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 08:39 AM
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59. Are the female Olympic athletes overweight?
A high percentage of female Olympic athletes are well over their recommended weight according to the charts insurance companies use. Does this make them overweight? Or top competitors? Muscle has to be taken into account. I was taught scuba years ago by a 140 pound female instructor who didn't have an ounce of fat. She had been a college volleyball player. But you might, if just seeing her stats, label her as overweight. In fact, she looked like a model.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 10:22 AM
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73. According to actuarial tables, I'm overweight--I wear a size 6-8
(an occasional 10 for length) and am 5' 7" tall with an athletic build. Most people think I look damn good.

I don't buy that crap; if she's healthy, a 5'5" size 10 should have nothing to worry about.
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 01:02 PM
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103. When I was in my best shape, I was 5'4, 135-140 lbs and Size 4-6
no body fat. But 140 is considered overweight for my height. Size really depends on muscle mass, bone structure etc. In my teens and early 20s, I weighed 95-100 lbs and was skinny and flabby.

I'm currently size 10-my body weight has redistributed as I approach 40. Women have variables like hips, boobs and thighs that can add or subtract weight from their frames. I laugh at the men on this board that say "you sound like you're 25 lbs. overweight" without knowing height, frame-size and fat/muscle distribution. I have three girlfriends-all of us size 10s-but we're all built completely different.



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Nikia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 12:11 PM
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93. I wasn't technically overweight until I was into size 12
I probably stayed at size 10 the longest in terms of weight range.
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 12:51 PM
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102. I'm sorry, but that's crazy.
Number one, there's no way to make that determination based only on the information she gave.

Number two, there's no way a woman who is a size 10 could possibly be 25 lbs overweight unless maybe she is 3 ft 7.

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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 01:17 PM
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112. A woman wearing a size ten weighs about 145 - 160.
That's overweight for 5'5. By about 20-25 lbs.
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 01:31 PM
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115. No
That's the problem with weight tables. Not all women who are a size 10 are going to weight the same or look the same, even if they're the same height. We aren't all built the same. We don't all deposit fat in the same pattern. Our bone structures vary. A friend of mine will never be smaller than a size 10 no matter how much she weighs because she has wide hip bones. No matter how much she weighs, those will never shrink. Anything smaller than a 10 almost never fits very well.



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stanwyck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 01:34 PM
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117. My friend wears a size 10 and weighs 135
She's 5'10". A size 8 doesn't fit her shoulders. Skirts/dresses aren't long enough and pants are too short. Your arbitrary weight table does not allow for different bone structure or muscle tone. I buy my jeans in the men's dept. since I'm only 5'7" but have longer legs than my 6' husband. Women's sizes don't cut the legs long enough for me so I buy men's which are based (wisely) on waist and length measurements.
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Nikia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 05:05 PM
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158. I must be built completely different
I am that height and wore size 10 until I was below 135. I wore size 6 at 120 pounds. I wore size 12 at 145 pounds. Those are jean sizes. Even if I didn't have breasts or any fat on my upper body, I would wear a size 8 top because my rib cage is large. I do have breasts though and am 38C bra size and usually wear large shirts.
The tables I have seen put the upper healthy range at 140-145 pounds. My doctor said that I wasn't really overweight at 150 pounds (although I thought I was) and said that I was getting too thin at 130 pounds (I thought I looked goo with a little left to lose). I am around 125 wearing a size 8 looking the best I can body shapewise, looking freakish when I was thin because of my big rib cage. I am closer to hourglass and a proper waist to hip ratio at my current weight than my 110-115 pounds in high school.
My limbs have always been thin although I start gaining weight on my upper arms when I hit around 130 pounds. Other than that, my arms and legs look like tooth picks.
I was told that 125 pounds was the perfect weight, healthwise, of someone of medium build of average muscle mass for 5'5''. A little more or less is not unhealthy. A person weighing 135 pounds in this case is not 10 pounds overweight, they are on the heavier side of healthy. It is difficult to maintain a perfect weight nor is it necessary. An advantage of not being on the thinner side of perfect is that a serious illness that causes weight loss can be more dangerous.
People who are strong and physically fit can maintain a heavier healthy weight. Their fitness level helps support the extra weight regardless of muscle mass. A completely sedentary thin person is cutting short their life more than a heavier fit person.
A slightly overweight person may or may not being cutting short their life based on their predetermined genetics. Some people are genetically destined to get heart attacks even if they are on the thin side of healthy. Some will never get a heart attacks even if they are obese. Same with diabetes and ailments blamed on excessive weight. I guess smoking is the same way although certain smoking related ailments can be avoided almost entirely by not smoking. Anyway, most people are in between and regular check ups can help determine if you are running into health problems.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 01:35 PM
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118. Bull puckey!
You know nothing about her frame size or her muscle mass.

There is _zero_ way you can determine if she is overweight.

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dawn Donating Member (876 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 02:36 PM
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129. Muscle mass and frame size DO matter
I have large wrist bones and I also have muscle mass. I weigh more now that I am more fit, because muscle weighs more than fat. However, I fit into a smaller size.

Petite, small-boned women will always fit into smaller sizes than girls with larger frames.

Also, where you carry your weight matters. I have always had big boobs, even when I was a size 4-6. Therefore, I always have to buy stretchy tops or larger-sized ones.

I always thought it was rude for men to say women were overweight based on the number on a scale. I also find that the men who say that aren't real catches, anyway.
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 02:43 PM
Response to Reply #129
134. Amen, sistah!
"I also find that the men who say that aren't real catches, anyway."

These men are usually making up for their *shortcomings* or deep down are really fear/hate women.

Like you, I'm well-endowed and quite muscular. Even at my fittest, I weighed 135-140 lbs (with 6% body fat).

As I intimated above, I feel bad for any woman involved with a man who judges her by her weight. I hope these DUers are young and immature. If they're older, there's no hope for them ever finding true love and companionship.
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LTR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 07:45 AM
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55. Size 10 seems normal to me
Sizes under 5 tend to be very petite, toothpick-shaped women. And we here in the midwest like a little meat on the bones.

Size 10 is often larger breasted, maybe bigger hips. The classic hourglass figure. I imagine few men have a problem with that. ;)

As long as you have a lot of energy, are in good health, and personable, I wouldn't worry. Not at all.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 08:01 AM
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56. I thought you meant shoes
:eyes:
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Lostmessage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 11:26 AM
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83. I wear a 7 1/2 in shoes
I don't feel that fat.
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trogdor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 08:38 AM
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58. I thought you meant size 10 SHOES.
A lady who was 5'5" and wore size ten SHOES would have hobbit feet.
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Piltdown13 Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 03:04 PM
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141. Hey! I resemble that remark!
Well, I'm really 5'6", but still! :P

Believe me, I was REALLY disappointed when I never "grew into" my feet, which had reached their present size by age 13 (I didn't quit growing in height til I was almost 19). I figure with size 9-10 feet, I'm entitled to be at least 5'8", to make up for the difficulty finding shoes that fit me (they don't tend to order nearly as many pairs per style of women's sizes 9 and 10 as they do of women's sizes 5-8).

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Nikia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 08:41 AM
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60. That's a healthy size
I am the same height as you although we may be different framed. I have ranged the regular women's sizes (as opposed to plus).
As a high school athlete, I had become very thin, looking the appropriate body size for a track athlete or unhealthily uthin depending on whose opinion. I was wearing a size 4. I believe that this is the smallest size I could be and not in need of medical treatment. In college, I went through cycles of gaining and losing based on my althletic season. At my heaviest, I was wearing a size 12. I was slightly overweight according the charts although my doctor said that I was fine. I also thought I looked heavy looking back at my pictures. I gradually lost weight and then suddenly dopped weight during an illness this summer. I got down to a size 6, which scared me in a bad way at first. At this point, I did not have any pinchable fat. I've gained 5 pounds back and 8 seems to be a better fitting size now. I think that I look pretty good, even according to pop star/actress standards right now and hope to stay at this weight.
Anyway, my point is using my personal experience is that you are probably at a good weight for you healthwise. If you want and can lose a little weight in a healthy manner rather than potentially unhealthy fad diets to get down to an 8 or even 6, that is up to you. Yes, you will probably look closer to the pop star/actress ideal, but you probably look fine right now. Don't try to lose weight in any unhealthy manner that sometimes can be beneficial to obese. You are at a healthy weight. You'd be harming yourself only for vanity.
If you look around you in a busy public place, you will see women of all sizes. There are some that took like sticks and others who are bigger than two of you. You will probably find that most healthy non overweight looking women look similiar to you. There is also a range of body frames. If you asked some thinner looking wearing bigger sizes where some heavier looking women might wear smaller sizes.
I do think it is unfair that everyone is so concerned about women's looks and body type.
At a place where I worked a coworker brought in tabloids regularly. I was always amazed how one article would be blasting an actress for possibily being anorexic and another would be blasting an actress for porking out. The relative weight difference between the actress was 15-20 pounds. The message being that you pretty much have to be a perfect weight to be attractive.
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LeftPeopleFinishFirst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 08:56 AM
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61. I'm a 4 and I still get hell about my weight!
I think size 10 is fine, I used to be a size 8 and wasn't really big. I'm 5'2 so it was a little big for my frame, but for someone who's 5'5 i'd say that sounds about right.
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Odessey Donating Member (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 08:56 AM
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62. Size 10 is not large unless
you believe those immaciated models in size '1' they use in the magazines are supposed to look "normal". If you are a size 10, then I envy you. I haven't been size 10 since - well, I guess I've NEVER been a size 10! (Except on my wedding day when my size 12 wedding gown just hung on me because I was too busy to eat in the two weeks prior.) Looking at my wedding pictures, I looked pretty darned nice! I have been up to a size 22. (I've lost since then). Now honey, if you get to a 22 THEN you worry. If you're a 10, try to hang on to it. I'm sure you look great!
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 09:20 AM
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65. Hell no! I wish I had more bounce (as in breasts), but I love what I have.
Edited on Sun Feb-01-04 09:33 AM by blondeatlast
FWIW, I wear anywhere from a 6 to a ten, usually a 6, but clothes are cut so wierdly now that one never knows. For instance, if I buy a knit shirt, I have to get a large to make up for my wide shoulders and long torso.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 09:38 AM
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69. NO..."seamstress" is a size 14 in a size 6
Edited on Sun Feb-01-04 09:39 AM by ElsewheresDaughter
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 10:23 AM
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74. Gosh, NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!
Edited on Sun Feb-01-04 10:24 AM by Darth_Kitten
It's VERY normal. :)

They make sizes so small nowadays, everything is geared toward teeny boppers. I'm a petite woman (4 11) and I'm about a size 10. I look fine. :) Though I may wish to be a size 8, because I am so tiny. :)
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Bertha Venation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 10:26 AM
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75. OMG. Size Ten is SMALLER THAN AVERAGE.
The average American woman is size 14-16, Lostmessage.... Sweetie, you are FINE. Hell, you don't WANT to know what size I wear, and I'm fine.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 11:12 AM
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81. BV correct 14/16 is the average american women
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Lostmessage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 11:30 AM
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84. I keep looking at my rear end
I don't even know the guy that commented on the junk in my trunk. I was kind of shocked when he said it.

Thanks I feel alright and I don't want to go on a diet. I am sick of going on a diet to drop a few pounds.
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Misinformed01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 12:19 PM
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95. You just need to learn some comebacks
There are a lot of men that are going to act stupid until you are about 45 or so, from what I can tell. For some reason, the particularly stupid ones...no matter what THEY look like...feel like they have the right to offer their opinion on how they think you should look.

You need to learn to not be afraid to be a bitch, and to shut them up. Best line, "I beg your pardon???" said in a very loud tone of voice. Embarrass the hell out of them.

I bet you are good looking by the way; otherwise this neanderthal wouldn't have been looking at you.

Stephanie

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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 12:28 PM
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97. yup learn to be a proud "B.I.T.C.H." = Babe In Total Control Here!
Edited on Sun Feb-01-04 12:30 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 01:05 PM
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106. It's usually men making up for their "shortcomings"
*ahem*

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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 01:18 PM
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114. And the average woman in america is terribly overweight.
Look around.

Women don't look good when they're overweight.
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NicoleM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 02:14 PM
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120. What about men?
Do men look good when they're overweight?
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 02:22 PM
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125. oh shussssh...and whadda bout men..besides who let you in here?
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 02:34 PM
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128. What an astute observation.
Maybe you should stop getting your cues as to what looks good from movies and magazines. These are women that starve themselves, throw up after every meal, have surgery, and have personal chefs and dieticians. Good lighting and hand tailored clothes help, too.

When we decide to stop comparing ourselves to those women, and ignore people who think a size ten is unattractively big, we'll be better off.

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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 05:39 PM
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166. Is there something wrong with looking nice, having a body in good
condition and not having layers of flab sitting on top of your waistband?

Fat is terribly detrimental to one's health, especially considering what got one in that condition to begin with; i.e.,poor diet and lack of exercize.

I like looking nice, in nice, close fitting clothing, a low heel, something fashionable, perhaps a little cleavage showing.

It's about how I feel about me.

I don't feel good having a fat ass looking like a sausage in a dance contest crammed into sweat pants with an elastic waist.

There is no shame in being trim, in good shape, eating well and exercizing.

Unless you want all women to be fat, get high blood pressure, ruin their knees and hips, succomb to heart disease and diabetes.....

Ice cream for EVERYONE!
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Piltdown13 Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 06:13 PM
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175. I don't think anyone was implying that there's anything wrong
with trying to lose weight, look good in tailored clothes, and tone one's body.

What's getting folks going here is the idea that if you don't weigh a certain, highly-constrained amount for your height or fall below a certain clothes size range depending on height, you're unhealthily fat and need to lose weight. The reason this is such a touchy subject IMHO is that in our society, the observation that one needs to lose weight often quickly leads to the implication that one ought to be ashamed for "letting oneself go," or some such -- not to mention all the pain that has been caused by making women feel inadequate if they don't measure up to a narrowly defined ideal. I don't think that you're promoting these attitudes BTW, though perhaps some of your earlier posts on this thread might have given some the wrong impression.

I think there *is* a middle ground here, between insisting that people, male or female, ought to all meet fairly strict weight guidelines and insisting that it's discriminatory to even suggest that someone weighs too much. Those tables you posted below are a good example of that. :-)
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 08:22 PM
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190. Nothing at all.
And I can totally relate as I have more weight on my frame than I am used to right now. Having a baby can wreck havoc on one's body. I'm working very hard to lose it. I feel better about myself if I feel like I look good.

I just object to the overall judgment of women in general, just because they don't conform to some ideal that Madison ave shoves down our throats. I am a bit touchy about the issue, I confess. I don't think there is anything wrong with someone being happy with the way they look even though they don't conform to that idea.
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 12:06 AM
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202. It sounds as though you are projecting your
own negative body image issues on to other women. Kind of like an ex-smoker who now demonizes all smokers. If you are happy with the way you are, fine, but don't attempt to make others feel bad about themselves because they don't measure up to your extreme standards.

By the way, there is a HUGE gray area in between having a trim physique and "looking like a sausage in a dance contest crammed into sweat pants with an elastic waist." Is that what a size 10 means to you?
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Piltdown13 Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 12:11 AM
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203. As someone in that gray area...
Thanks! :hi: That's what I was trying to get at in my post above...that whole "one size does NOT fit all" idea.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 07:34 AM
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210. LOL Hell yeah, I'm LIVING it. I'm a size 10-12 and look like that horrible
sausage... it's the bane of my existence.

I'm very frank about my wretched appearance right now... I'm not ashamed, and not trying to say I'm not overwieght.

But then, I'm a head on kinda gal!
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 08:13 AM
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213. No, I'm quite trim, size8-10 and taller than average, but don't judge
everyone by your standards.

Bragging is a little classless on this board, IMHO.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 08:17 AM
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215. No, but I'll be damned if I'll let YOU play the victim. I have a trim
figure, like you, but both my sisters are in the larger ranges and I know they get crap from people.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 05:52 PM
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170. So tell me something.... are the women in these photos fat or not?
what was that substance that the doc sucked out of their butts, do you think?

Healthy, meaty, muscle tissue?

http://www.mybeautifulbody.com/en/catalogs/search.asp?e...

This girl in particular..

description:
Large Volume Body Sculpting
36 year old / Height: 5'' 3''
Pre Procedure Weight: 170lbs (Clothes Size 12-14)
Post Procedure Weight: 140lbs (Clothes Size 6)

Total tissue and volume of fat removed 25lbs.


http://www.mybeautifulbody.com/en/catalogs/plasticsurge...

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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 08:27 PM
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192. Overweight, probably.
The thread was about calling size 10 fat. These women were more than likely a bigger size than that. And, lets face it, how many of us right at this moment would look good in that kind of harsh light standing in skimpy underwear, regardless of our size? Even super models would look less than flattering. The right light and airbrushing does wonders.
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Lostmessage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 10:59 PM
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197. I wanted to know If a size 10 was normal
I has a comment made about my rear end being big and I was curious if that's a normal size or not.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 07:38 AM
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212. For america, sure. For the rest of the world, no....
Not from what I've seen.
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 09:31 AM
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218. I know that's what you meant.
I was referring to the people in the thread who thought it was fat, I should have been more clear.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 07:37 AM
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211. Actually, in europe for a month, I saw no fat women... unless they were
AMERICAN or (lol) Russian.

All the women I saw in Paris, Nice and Italy were lovely, slender, well dressed.

The only heavy european women I encountered were much much older grandma types.

This is indeed an american thing.

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dawn Donating Member (876 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 02:39 PM
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131. What?!
Edited on Sun Feb-01-04 02:43 PM by dawn
Maybe you should post a picture of yourself, before you judge others.

Is this DU or am I on a freeper site?
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 05:43 PM
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167. I am 43 and 25 lbs overweight and it's my own fault. I have been eating
the wrong things while my metabolism went south, due my own lack of activity.

I'm working REAL hard to lose it too, and it's no picnic. But I refuse to turn into one of those grandma's cruising the mall in a SWEATSUIT.

I mean really. American is the only country where a sweatsuit is a fashion statement for the overweight.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 05:46 PM
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168. BTW, I've made all my comments prior to looking this table up
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Nikia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 06:17 PM
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176. If you really looked at that table, why do you assume 10 is overweight?
If she is medium framed she can weigh up to 141 pounds and if large framed up to 155 pounds. Like I said, I wore size ten until I was down to about 135 pounds and still usually wear shirts that size or a little larger.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 08:22 PM
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191. Because I'm 5'5 and wearing a 10-12 and I am overweight... I'm FAT...
get it?

In person, on the line, got it right here comparison.

I'm not chubby. I'm not zoftig. I'm not curvaceous. I'm FAT. I have at least 25 lbs of too much lard hanging on my body. I look like the fat women in those pictures before the got the FAT sucked off.

;)

I make no bones about what I am at this moment. Perhaps others need a reality check as well? C'est possible?

And it wasn't a thyroid problem either. I ate too much and stopped MOVING.
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Nikia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 08:51 PM
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193. For you perhaps but you should not assume for everyone
Some skeletons are a size 8-10 without any fat. Some hips and rib cages are structurally bigger than others. The original poster said that her bones stuck out at size 5, which probably means that is around the size of just her skeleton. Perhaps your skeleton is a size 0 or 2. People also store fat differently. Some have lean limbs while others have flabby limbs. Some have weight on their faces at lower weights while others have to be really heavy to have weight on their faces and necks. Those that store most of their weight on their trunk as opposed to other spots will be a little lighter wearing the same size as will those with wide hip structures.
There is also the issue of how you wear your clothes and what brands you buy. When I say I wear eight, I can wear 6 also. I might be able to physically squeeze into a pair of 4 jeans from high school also if I really try. I say 8 because it is my best fitting size. She might refer to 10 the same way as opposed to the size that she can physically stand to wear.
Even if she is a little bit overweight, probably not by as much as 25 pounds, you should not assume that she isn't physically fit or does have a gland problem.
I know that I used my case antedotally just as you used your case antedotally, but you should be open to the fact that there are many different body types and many different personal situations. A health professional is probably the best person to help an individual determine what a healthy weight is for the individual and what the best course of action to lose weight if necessary.
I think it is sad though that people of healthy weights or 5-10 pounds overweight have hurt their health more by dangerous surgery, drugs, or diets than their weight.
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Piltdown13 Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 08:52 PM
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194. They just might need a reality check
Yes, it's definitely possible for someone to be a size 10 or so at 5'5" or 5'6" and be fat. It's also possible for someone that height and a size 10 to be carrying only a few extra pounds, or even to be at their ideal weight.

According to that table, a woman who's 5'5" could be healthy weighing anywhere from 117-155 lbs., depending on her frame (and other factors, of course). I'd guess that would encompass clothing sizes anywhere from 4 to 12, all for women of the same height. It's certainly possible that someone who really did need to lose weight would look at that table and delude herself into thinking she was fine when in fact a lower weight would be healthier. But if all we know is her dress size, that's a pretty tough call to make, IMO.

:-)
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dawn Donating Member (876 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 01:15 AM
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205. All bodies are different....
How large is your frame? When I wore a 10 I was about 135-138. I didn't look fat. I'm an 8 now, and sure, I could stand to lose 5 pounds, but I wasn't 25 lbs overweight as a 10. And I ate normally, and exercised regularly.

But I have a large frame, am well-endowed (no matter what my size), and muscular.

Maybe you are more petite?

I certainly don't think I need a reality check.
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buddhamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 10:33 AM
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80. nope.
ignore those type of comments.
you can't live up to someone elses ideal of how you should look,etc.

you're fantastic just the way you are! :yourock:
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Piltdown13 Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 11:56 AM
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88. Don't pay attention to sizes, is my advice
In my closet I've got everything from size 4 to size 10 -- and it ALL fits. The point being, sizes vary a lot from one store/label to another, and it's just not worth the stress to worry about what size you are.

But no, I don't think a size 10 is all that large.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 12:20 PM
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96. I see everyone is answering this one tactfully
:thumbsup:
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 12:35 PM
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98. I'm about the same size as you
a little shorter, though.

According to the recommended weight charts, I'm in normal range, a little on the high side. My guess, with your height, you're right in the middle.
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 12:43 PM
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99. No.
Size 10 isn't big at all. I usually hover between a size 8 or 10. Any smaller and I don't think I look as good, and clothes don't fit me as well because I'm tall. Size six pants are almost always too short for me unless I shop at a tall girls. I think this trend towards being too thin is not only unhealthy, but unattractive. I can think of several actresses that were really pretty until they starved themselves in the pressure to get more roles.
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 12:45 PM
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100. Dont' Generalize
For some women it is SKINNY, depending on their body type.

Size 10 is perfect for me, but my size 10 jeans are a bit tight after the holidays, sigh! I'm working on it though....

I think some size 2 women, that is just naturally how they are and they look great -- it's just the ones who look like starved greyhounds and starve themselves , you can always tell. I think Rene Z def looks better with her Bridget Jones body.
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populistmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 01:04 PM
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105. I'm a 10 or 12
You need to look at weight and BMI (body mass index) to determine of you're overweight generally. I'm also 5'5" and the healthy weight range for our height is 120-144 pounds. I'm still a few pounds over at this size (but not many and I'm still working on it), but for me, with larger breasts and larger bone structure, 120 wouldn't fit my body shape, but 140-144 is perfect. By the time I'm there (really close now), I'll be an 8 or 10. For me, if I were ever a 2 or 4 or even a 6, it would mean I was ill probably. That's not the way I was built and I've accepted that. However, for women of a smaller bone structure who are more petite, those small sizes may be what is healthiest for them as individuals. Besides, I have no shortage of admirers anyway at this size anyway. I went to lunch with my husband yesterday and when he went to the bathroom, some (rather cute, albeit somewhat crude) college dude came up to my table and said, "Why don't you ditch that bozo you came with and come sit at the bar with me?" I said no thanks and he left (didn't even tell my husband, he has enough insecurities).

So apparently, size 10 or not, I've still got it a little bit.

(I retreat back into lurkdom for awhile, but felt a need to answer the whole body image thing as it's my perpetual struggle.)
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K8-EEE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 01:09 PM
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108. LOL!! I Also Got Approached By A College Guy On Friday!
Bless his heart too, cuz honestly it was a much-needed ego boost for sure; but when I told him I was 44 he acted like I was lying and that NO WAY!! NO WAY! Nice at first of course but omg he was acting like I was 74!

I guess when you're 21 44 sounds REALLY OLD!

Hey all you young DU dudes, do a good deed, hit on an older woman today! Believe me even if you're turned down you made her day.

But damn if I wasn't married I don't think I woulda turned this one down...he was CUTE!
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populistmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 01:12 PM
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110. Good for you too!
I hope it still happens to me at 44 (it is a bit flattering in all honesty). I'll be 32 in a couple more weeks.

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Fleshdancer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 01:06 PM
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107. I think the "average" size is 12
I remember reading that somewhere a few years ago.

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BlondieK143 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 01:09 PM
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109. I think..
That most of society portrays 10 as being big for a woman. But I'm sorry, I'm not into the whole looking like Britney Spears or making sure you can see my rib cage. It's about being healthy and it's about being happy with yourself. I think 10 is a perfect size if it's perfect to you.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 01:33 PM
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116. Size ten is on the small side of average
The avg American woman is 5'4" and wearing a size 14 or 16.

And screw people who make dumb comments about "junk in the trunk". Marilyn Monroe had plenty of junk in the trunk, yet even to this day she is adored and revered. ;)
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 01:40 PM
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119. Average American Woman: 5'3", 150 lbs, Size 12
Don't listen to the dumbass men on this thread that say Size 10 is big. It's NOT.
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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 02:40 PM
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132. As men would like to say about a certain appendage...
Size doesn't matter. As one poster pointed out as long as one is healthy (blood pressure, blood sugar, cholesterol level) are normal ranges and the person can exercise and feel fit, who gives a rip about size?

I saw size 10 in my 20's. Currently on Weight Watchers because I did gain enough weight to get into a 18. Actually, I have been on a low-fat, low sodium diet for years, because I have a family history of kidney failure and Type II diabetes so I am doing my damnedest not to get in that pattern. But I walk miles at a time, and my last med checkup, in the past year, had normal blood pressure, normal blood sugar and normal cholesterol.

The interesting thing was I went to a company-sponsored cholesterol check and the technicians (who were college students from a local university) were stunned to see my numbers. Yeah a big woman having normal vital signs. I looked at them, and said, I eat healthy and exercise, what did you expect?
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MikeGalos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 03:12 PM
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142. From a purely health point of view
A person 65" tall has the following guidelines based on BMI

< 111 lbs - Underweight
112-149 lbs - Ideal
150-179 lbs - Overweight
180-209 lbs - Obese
210-239 lbs - Very Obese
> 240 lbs - Extremebly Obese

Basing things on sizes is pretty silly since manufacturers play games with sizes to market their products.

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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 03:31 PM
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147. It's the size of the heart...
... not the size of the dress that matters!

:-)
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Logansquare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 03:40 PM
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148. Was the "junk in the trunk" comment from a man?
Everytime I have been told I had too much down there, or needed to lose weight, it was always some man who wasn't all that. You know, balding, love handles, average looking to ugly, and they would still think they had the authority to judge any woman who came their way. If it was a man, buy Mr. Junk-In-The-Trunk a scale and a mirror--it'll do him a world of good. If it was a woman, just feel sorry for her because she's probably pretty unhappy with herself.
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Logansquare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 03:46 PM
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149. Size 12-Marilyn Monroe
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 04:00 PM
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151. "vintage" size 12 is a current size 16...
Edited on Sun Feb-01-04 04:02 PM by SoCalDem
Sooooo the only thing that has changed is that people who wore "your" size ...back then... were very much smaller than you..(that's a generic "you", btw)



I made links and posted a separate thread for the size charts.. They are very telling..

It's only recently that sizes changed so radically.. The people got bigger, and I guess it would have been a tough sell to tell a lady who "used" to be a 12, that she is now a 16.. :)

That's what size Marilyn Monroe would have been now.. :(


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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 04:04 PM
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152. It's a silly system.
Is't it? If they would just size things like they do for most men's clothes, it wouldn't be so bad. Inches don't change over the years, and don't vary from label to label.
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Logansquare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 04:17 PM
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155. Hey, she had her size 16 in all the right places
:-)
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spooky3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 05:52 PM
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171. didn't the posts earlier in this thread say just the opposite?
that what used to be a 12 would now be an 8?
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 07:29 PM
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182. That's right.. People who wear an 8 NOW
Edited on Sun Feb-01-04 07:30 PM by SoCalDem
are the same sized PEOPLE, who would have worn a 12 in all the years before about 1980-something..

It's a "vanity" thing.. people have not changed their size, the manufacturers just changed the numbers :)


and.. If someone who wears a size 10 , orders a size 10 from a vintage site, it will NOT fit.. It will be several sizes too small
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 04:15 PM
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153. Absolutely not
My wife is about 5'5" and is about a 10 or 12, depending on the day/manufacturer of the clothing. And she's fan-freakin-tastic!!!

And BTW, some men prefer their women a little on the curvy side-- a little "junk in the trunk" is NOT a bad thing!

:D
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Lostmessage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 04:17 PM
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154. Why are.......
Unattractive men called a good provider and unattractive women called last call women?
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skippysmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 04:20 PM
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156. No way
I have seen that the average American woman is around 5'4" and wears a 12-14. That would make you a little taller than average and a little smaller than average. No worries.

I am 5'9", and at my lowest weight -- a weight that put me in the healthy BMI range -- I wore a 12. And even then, I couldn't wear a 12 in every size. Different designers fit very differently. Some designers don't make any allowances for my C-cup breasts, even though the rest of the garment may fit fine. I've also found that many stores that cater to the younger set make no allowances for curves.

I now wear a size 16, and even though I am trying to lose weight in preparation for getting pregnant, I still look damn good for a married lady of 32!
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 10:38 PM
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195. Should I start a thread about the "perfect man"?
Is a man without a 12" dick and 32" waist inadequate? Because some of the men here have that attitude about women.

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Lostmessage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 11:50 PM
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200. A guy at work keeps telling me about his size
What is it with their waist size. :shrug:
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Kathy in Cambridge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 11:57 PM
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201. Mr RR is obsessed with his waist size
it's 34" and it's fine with me!
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smirkymonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 12:22 AM
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204. He's either anorexic or gay.....
possibly both. And most likely projecting his own weight issues on to you. Ignore him. Most people who are that preoccupied with thier outsides are seriously underdeveloped mentally and spiritually.

Don't let someone else's hangup become yours - learn to live by your own standards and to feel good about yourself despite what the tag on your clothing says. It's not an absolute measure, and it doesn't matter anyway. I am sure you look great as you are and feeling good about yourself is the most attractive thing to anyone who matters. :)
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-01-04 11:50 PM
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199. No - but it is for MEN!
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Castilleja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 01:41 AM
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207. No way!
10 is not too big, really, it's not.
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Fight_n_back Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 01:47 AM
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208. A size ten what?
Wouldn't it depend on the woman's own personal taste?

Or are you talking about something else?
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EV1Ltimm Donating Member (831 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 08:40 AM
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216. My wife would KILL to be a size 10
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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 10:05 AM
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219. For 5'5", that's just about right.
That means you probably weigh about 120 pounds.
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Lostmessage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-02-04 11:52 AM
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221. I think that I weigh at least 145
I carry my weight in my behind and chest area.
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