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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 06:25 PM
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Poll question: Are girls more likely to ask for a Barbie doll than boys are?

Sorry, polls are turned off at Level 3.

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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 06:27 PM
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1. .
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 06:28 PM
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2. Boys are more likely to strip them naked...
... and simulate them having sex with Ken. I think...
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 06:30 PM
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4. You are so right... my cousin used to do this when we forced him
to play barbies with us.

But I think our kids know what toys to play with because of parents and because of t.v. and the ads that use girls or boys when advertising the product.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 06:35 PM
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7. Why do the people who pay for the ads request ads that will
limit the appeal of their products?
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 06:29 PM
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3. dunno, my daughter never had anything but a cabbage patch kid and when she got older
it was all legos all the time. Legos are fing awesome btw, going to legoland in Denmakrk next year and then only Germany is left and we will have been to all 4.
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 06:32 PM
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5. After years of observing young children I have concluded that....
Edited on Fri Aug-10-07 06:37 PM by AnneD
boys and girls are different :evilgrin:

Seriously, they are wired differently. And out of all the kids I have seen, there have been 5-10% that turned out gay. Let them play with the toys they prefer and let them figure it out. It is hard enough to grow up these days anyway.

And about the Barbies-sis and I used them as projectiles for our sling shots and brothers would use them as fetch toys for the dog-unless she had a date with GI Joe.
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 06:45 PM
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10. There was astudy a few years ago
where they took a group of kids third graders and showed them a picture of a red cicle and asked them to write a description of what they saw. By and large the girls went on for a page or so, where as the boys wrote it's round and it's red, end of story.
Somehow that answers a lot about male-female differences. :evilgrin:
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 06:56 PM
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13. AHMEN.....
Once I realised that I could take guys at face value.....I immediatly had better relationships with guys. That is not a put down in any way. If we were animals-men would be like dogs and women would be cats. Each has their plus and minuses. I am glad for all the differences. Guys help me to keep it simple, gals help me see all sides.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 06:55 PM
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12. I knew a little girl who hated them so much she'd decapitate them
and then give them Viking funerals on a local pond.
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 07:13 PM
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18. say.....
who told you my secret-seriously. Once I figured out I wouldn't grow up to be a Viking-they became projectiles.
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DKRC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 07:26 PM
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20. Sounds like my kid
G'ma insisted on shipping her Barbie crap every Christmas and by New Years day it looked like a serial killer had been through the house. I'd find legs, arms, heads, & torsos in odd places and sometimes buried out in the yard. But I think the neighbor's dog did the honors, because my kid didn't respect it enough to give it a burial. She loved the princess carriage she got at 5 tho'. She hitched it to her Godzilla plush and had Buzz and Woody ride shotgun with all her green army soldiers inside.
:rofl:

My friends and I used our annual allotment of Barbies for simulating sex with our brothers' GI Joes before trashing them.

:evilgrin:
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 07:59 PM
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23. it's time for Pleistocene Barbie
The buried in the yard one brought her to mind, and I could just never resist her.



Dear Mr. Williams:

Thank you for your latest submission to the Institute, labeled "93211-D, layer seven, next to the clothesline post...Hominid skull." We have given this specimen a careful and detailed examination, and regret to inform you that we disagree with your theory that it represents conclusive proof of the presence of Early Man in Charleston County two million years ago. Rather, it appears that what you have found is the head of a Barbie doll, of the variety that one of our staff, who has small children, believes to be "Malibu Barbie." It is evident that you have given a great deal of thought to the analysis of this specimen, and you may be quite certain that those of us who are familiar with your prior work in the field were loathe to come to contradiction with your findings. However, we do feel that there are a number of physical attributes of the specimen which might have tipped you off to its modern origin:

1. The material is molded plastic. Ancient hominid remains are typically fossilized bone.

2. The cranial capacity of the specimen is approximately 9 cubic centimeters, well below the threshold of even the earliest identified proto-homonids.

3. The dentition pattern evident on the skull is more consistent with the common domesticated dog than it is with the ravenous man-eating Pliocene clams you speculate roamed the wetlands during that time.

This latter finding is certainly one of the most intriguing hypotheses you have submitted in your history with this institution, but the evidence seems to weigh rather heavily against it. Without going into too much detail, let us say that:

A. The specimen looks like the head of a Barbie doll that a dog has chewed on.

B. Clams don't have teeth.

It is with feelings tinged with melancholy that we must deny your request to have the specimen carbon-dated. This is partially due to the heavy load our lab must bear in its normal operation, and partly due to carbon dating's notorious inaccuracy in fossils of recent geologic record. To the best of our knowledge, no Barbie dolls were produced prior to 1956 AD, and carbon dating is likely to produce wildly inaccurate results.

Sadly, we must also deny your request that we approach the National Science Foundation Phylogeny Department with the concept of assigning your specimen the scientific name Australopithecus spiff-arino.

Speaking personally, I, for one, fought tenaciously for the acceptance of your proposed taxonomy, but was ultimately voted down because the species name you selected was hyphenated, and didn't really sound like it might be Latin.

However, we gladly accept your generous donation of this fascinating specimen to the museum. While it is undoubtedly not a Hominid fossil, it is, nonetheless, yet another riveting example of the great body of work you seem to accumulate here so effortlessly. You should know that our Director has reserved a special shelf in his own office for the display of the specimens you have previously submitted to the Institution, and the entire staff speculates daily on what you will happen upon next in your digs at the site you have discovered in your Newport back yard. We eagerly anticipate your trip to our nation's capital that you proposed in your last letter, and several of us are pressing the Director to pay for it. We are particularly interested in hearing you expand on your theories surrounding the trans-positating fillifitation of ferrous ions in a structural matrix that makes the excellent juvenile Tyrannosaurus rex femur you recently discovered take on the deceptive appearance of a rusty 9-mm Sears Craftsman automotive crescent wrench.

Yours in Science,



Now, back to real science:

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8EJGO4G3&show_...

Researchers Find Barbie Is Often Mutilated

LONDON (AP) - Barbie, beware. The iconic plastic doll is often mutilated at the hands of young girls, according to research published Monday by British academics.

"The girls we spoke to see Barbie torture as a legitimate play activity, and see the torture as a 'cool' activity," said Agnes Nairn, one of the University of Bath researchers. "The types of mutilation are varied and creative, and range from removing the hair to decapitation, burning, breaking and even microwaving."

Researchers from the university's marketing and psychology departments questioned 100 children about their attitudes to a range of products as part of a study on branding. They found Barbie provoked the strongest reaction, with youngsters reporting "rejection, hatred and violence," Nairn said.

"The meaning of 'Barbie' went beyond an expressed antipathy; actual physical violence and torture towards the doll was repeatedly reported, quite gleefully, across age, school and gender," she said.

... "Whilst for an adult the delight the child felt in breaking, mutilating and torturing their dolls is deeply disturbing, from the child's point of view they were simply being imaginative in disposing of an excessive commodity in the same way as one might crush cans for recycling," she said.



Me, I despised Barbie because I despised all things brand name, but I was quite engaged with my Mitzi doll knock-offs.



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DKRC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 08:25 PM
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25. Ok it's official - I have no life
because I read every damn word on a Friday evening - and I blame it all on Barbie!
:silly:

Actually, the dismemberment of Barbie by my kid made perfect sense to me, so maybe Aggie needs to do a project on Moms not experiencing the anticipated response to the carnage in the playroom...
:evilgrin:
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benEzra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 09:31 PM
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40. "Pleistocene Barbie"...LOL...
Funniest thing I've read all day. Thanks for posting that.
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IntravenousDemilo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 04:12 PM
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39. And if Barbie was unavailable for the date with GI Joe...
...he could always use his Kung-Fu grip.
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 06:34 PM
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6. Barbies are marketed to girls. Mine used to fuck GI Joe all the time.
Then she'd have babies made of blue clay. They didn't have Barbie-sized baby dolls back then.

After I played with Barbie and GI Joe, I'd go outside and play football with the boys.

Football was more fun than Barbies, but society told me that all girls had to have Barbies, so mom got me some...I probably didn't play with them like I was supposed to, though.

:shrug:
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 07:00 PM
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14. lol! My Barbie was more traditional. She fucked Ken and she never got pregnant. nt
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 06:35 PM
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8. Other,
Very little boys (under 3) will ask or play with Barbie, but by 3 they recognize gender differences and that they only see girls in Barbie commercials and that they see boys in other commercials, action figures, Hot Wheels ect, and they learn that there are "boys" toys and "girls" toys. There also may be inborn gender differences, by 3 my daughters were very well acquainted with crayons, glue, safety scissors , in general creative stuff and my son was not interested, when I asked his MD about this I was told that it was quite normal for boys to not be as interested. At ten however he is very good with clay and makes stuff to go with Bionicles ect, in fact he keeps a ball of clay with him to make what ever he needs.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 09:30 AM
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33. My son is only 2... doesn't watch much t.v.... but has always loved
cars... When we walk he points to cars he likes. He knows his dad's car and thinks its great to take a ride in the mustang. And he begs for a new toy car every time we go out. Now, he's obsessed with watching the Cars movie because of the racing. You can tell the times he's bored (the times when there's less racing) because he walks away... as soon as they start driving, he's glued. Maybe he'll grow up to be a race car driver or work around the track (hate the idea of him being around the 25%'rs--but who knows, maybe someone like that could transform the whole industry)... anyways, he's only 2 and 1/2, so he can at this point do whatever he wants. He has a while to still be a kid.
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 06:37 PM
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9. Probably a mix of reasons
part marketing, part nature, part parental involvement
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 06:54 PM
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11. I've seen too many little boys grab Barbie by her feet
and point her head at somebody and yell "BANG!" to think they're appropriate toys for boys who don't ask for them.
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AnneD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 07:10 PM
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17. And how many girls cart their baby dolls ...
around by their hair. I didn't care for Barbie very much (I liked the babies). I was not a girlie girl. My daughter,however, had every known Barbie outfit, made my water foot massager into a Barbie hot tub and day spa, and I killed 2 vacuum cleaners sucking up those damn shoes!!! At 4, when I was packing her sandwich-she ask me what accessories I planned to put into her lunch (with the sandwich). We had a whole conversation about what accessories 'went' with that type of sandwich. I cannot even imagine that conversation with my 4 yr old nephew. :eyes:
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GoddessOfGuinness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 11:32 PM
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32. My brother stuck straight pins in my Barbie's tatas.
He wanted her to have nipples.
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 07:03 PM
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15. I heard there was a study with kids with all gender neutral toys.
Edited on Fri Aug-10-07 07:04 PM by alphafemale
Blocks and such.

Many of the girls treated the blocks like babies.

Many of the boys used blocks as cars, trains and guns.

I don't know about the validity of this study, though.

There are always kids that break the mold.

I hated dolls as a kid.

I wouldn't have touched one, let alone played with one.

They creeped me out.

Their hinged eyes that popped open...oh fuck. :scared:
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 07:06 PM
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16. We got my daughter a train table
She sorted the trains into families - Mommy Train, Daddy Train, and Baby Train.

Same with cars. Same with dinosaurs. She loves to play with those kinds of things but she seems to frequently play in that way.
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Kansas Wyatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 07:15 PM
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19. Question first
Can the boys get a doll like on the movie 'Weird Science?'
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 07:33 PM
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21. it's uncanny but no matter what you do as a parent. . .
my son sam's best friends were a set of twins with a "militant" feminist mother. We went to buy presents for their 8th (or 6th or whichever, I've forgotten how old they were now) b-day party. Sam said he wanted to get a gun for Max and a barbie for Erica. I tried to distract him, find something else. I knew the mom "allowed" neither. He would not agree to any compromise. Finally, he admitted that the twins had made him promise to give her a Barbie and him a gun OR HE WASN'T INVITED TO THE PARTY! LOL

8 kids at the party. 8 Barbies, 8 guns. LOL

Mom took it with good nature. The kids are all grown now and are great kids.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 07:46 PM
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22. www.jabberwacky.com/
iverglas Are girls more likely to ask for a Barbie doll than boys are?
jabberwacky I said are you a boy or a girl?
iverglas Why do the people who pay for the ads request ads that will limit limit the appeal of their products?
jabberwacky Because computers always have the answers.
iverglas Boojattawacky.
jabberwacky Are you mocking me, or are you sad?
iverglas Is Boojatta mocking us, or is s/he just mad?
jabberwacky Why are you mad?
iverglas You are Boojatta, right?
jabberwacky Why do you think that I am a bot?


And I swear I am not making that up.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 08:06 PM
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24. girls have played with dolls
long before television came along. And they do so in every culture.

My friends tried to raise their kid without any gender stereotypes - he didn't watch TV, they tried to give him gender-neutral toys.

At his fourth birthday, he was given a small broom, because he liked to help his parents sweep. Within five minutes, the broom had turned into a rifle.

I've known parents who get very frustrated that their daughters demand barbies - they hate Barbie, but the girls just insist.

As noted above, boys and girls are different.
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Nikia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 08:49 PM
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35. The little boy must have had some media/social influence
Guns were not even invented until well into historical times. That said, it might be instinctual for a little boy to want to use a broom as something to reach other objects or use it hit people or animals because even apes do that. Pretending a broom is a gun though can only happen when a child knows what a gun is and has seen it used either a real one in real life, on television/movies, or another child using a toy one.
The little three year old next door has never seen a television show with a gun and his interactions with other children are limited to a small group. He has seen Harry Potter though. He picks up sticks and pretends that they are wands. He has never used sticks as guns though because he is unaware of their existence.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 08:31 PM
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26. My son wants an American Girl doll, but he wants it to be a boy.
I had a hard time finding one, but I finally found one on Ebay. He's so excited and can't wait until it gets here. He likes to look at the dolly's picture every day until it gets here.
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Feron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 08:32 PM
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27. Both boys and girls play with dolls...
,but for boys they call them 'action figures'. Instead of a dream house, my brother had the GI Joe aircraft carrier.

True the genders are different, but interests can and do overlap. As a girl one of my favorite toys was Hot Wheels. :D
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 08:35 PM
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28. I used to kidnap my sister's Barbies
She had it coming...Barbie, that is
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 08:46 PM
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30. Breaking News on Fox!
Barbie is kidnapped.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 08:53 PM
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31. lol! Fox would feed off that for a month....
and Nancy Grace would do several shows on why she thinks Ken did it.

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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-10-07 08:44 PM
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29. Yes because
the world is round.
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 03:16 PM
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37. What's the connection?
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Boojatta Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 08:34 PM
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34. Is this thread too silly for GD and too serious for the DU Lounge?
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Nikia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-11-07 08:54 PM
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36. Marketing, parental. and social influence
Most children of both genders like to use figures (dolls, stuffed animals, action figures, and other toy figures) as representives of people, animals, and fictional beings of culture or their imaginations for play. Barbies are emphasized by everyone as girls' toys. As a result, girls will be more likely to request them even though Barbies (when you account for both Barbie and Ken dolls) just represent people.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-12-07 03:59 PM
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38. I knew a kid a long time ago who played with Barbies.
Edited on Sun Aug-12-07 04:00 PM by originalpckelly
There were three of us in the neighborhood and one played with barbies. I don't think we made fun of him, in fact the other kid I knew asked for one but I think his dad was a little weirded out by it so he didn't get it. I don't recall asking for one, but hell when you're young you don't know. I was always more interested in my dump trucks and I had this little car too, oh yeah, that was awesome. It was like a firetruck, but you could get in it and drive it.

Yeah, that's it. Sorry for the trip down memory lane.
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