Wow... Yoko is such a sweet lady

[MonkeyFunk]

watching Larry King. He asked her and Olivia Harrison if they feel the presence of their husbands, and Yoko looked at Olivia and said "yes, sometimes it's hard for us, isn't it?"

I'll never understand the hatred for her. she's spent a lifetime agitating for peace and love, and she's been a class act the whole time.

[lost-in-nj]

1. Me either

I always liked her...
not her music mind you....

but Yoko is a nice lady....
otherwise John would not have loved her......


lost

[MonkeyFunk]

2. ain't that the fucking truth?

He loved her. That's good enough for me.

[matcom]

3. I don't really have an opinion except to say...

John's love for Yoko is one of the reasons I have a tattoo of him on my back.

it really was magical how he felt about her

[BarenakedLady]

4. Really?

You should show a pic of it. I love to see portrait tats.

[matcom]

5. ..

not done yet

[outofbounds]

6. Damn nice ink!

NM:hippie:

[BarenakedLady]

9. Awesome!

Thank you.

:hug:

[matcom]

10. thank you love

5 1/2 hours in the chair for that so far

[lost-in-nj]

11. WOW

fuckin A!!!


beautiful...



lost

[matcom]

13. lol

thank you

on edit: image between the wings is Lennon's memorial in NYC

[Kajsa]

47. Wow and double WOW!

That's a beautiful tattoo, Matcom.

;-)

[tigereye]

7. what a great artist she is!

and so forward thinking. Caught some of her older and newer installations this past year. Amazing. Way ahead of her time.

[outofbounds]

8. I think

Yoko pretty much caught the blame for the break up of the Beatles. Some people can contribute too much.

[Dukkha]

12. She's shown a great amount of respect to John's legacy

never cashing in and selling out his name or music.

[johnnie]

14. Shit, I missed it

Did Larry tell Paul that he should retire? :shrug:

[Rabrrrrrr]

15. That would be funny!

"Paul, ever since Wings broke up you've produced nothing but shit and proved yourself to be quite the wanker. When does it stop?"

[johnnie]

17. Or

"Paul, isn't it time you reunite with George and john?"

[Rabrrrrrr]

19. "I mean, just sayin', you know?"

:rofl:

[FredScuttle]

29. I think Larry asked Paul.....

"Paul, Lorna Luft.....whatta talent, eh?"

[jpgray]

16. Her art sucks, her protests suck, her music sucks

No reason to hate her, but lots of reasons to avoid experiencing her.

[JVS]

18. Jpgray, keepin it real in the DU Lounge since 2003!

:toast:

[jpgray]

21. Lots of people I respect like her, however.

[JVS]

24. for sure, even respectable people can pick a loser at times

[jpgray]

25. The story of my dating life

[JVS]

26. Trouble in paradise?

[jpgray]

27. Situation's perfectly stable--my loserness remains carefully hidden

:D

[JVS]

28. Excellent!

[Monk06]

20. Phony second rate Fluxus groupie with money. Not one original idea has ever

come out of her supercilious middle class mouth.

As for art. What art? Installations are the stuff
of desperate mediocrities not creative artists.

[mitchum]

23. I've always referred to her as an avant garde cover act

[Tyler Durden]

32. Taste is just that: personal. Ann Coulter has an audience (got knows why).

One must have a certain RESPECT for the tastes of others; I'm certain there are people here who think poorly of Bo Diddly. I am not one of them, but I'm certain they exist.

One of the reasons why polemics are seldom respected. I try to remember to preface MY opinion with IN MY OPINION.

In YOUR opinion "Her art sucks, her protests suck, her music sucks"...not a universal opinion, but yours.

[jpgray]

35. Who said anything else? Who are you arguing with?

Or are you just offended that I said her work "sucks?" I assumed it was obvious that's just an opinion. If that still seems offensive, perhaps staging a bed-in will change my mind.

[Tyler Durden]

37. "Her art sucks, her protests suck, her music sucks"

Stated as fact, not opinion.

Just holding out for a little common courtesy, that's all. If you state this as fact, you cast aspersion on anyone who believes differently.

I have recently had that made very clear to me. I accept and learn.

[jpgray]

40. How could that be anything but an opinion? Who can "prove" an artist sucks?

This isn't a high school debate--we're presumably adults. Do we need to preface every opinion with "in my opinion?" I don't believe that's necessary.

[Tyler Durden]

41. Actually, you're one of the ones who educated me to that opinion.

Remember "Sir Paul should Retire"?

I'm actually taking a cue from YOU. You made it VERY CLEAR that it was MY OPINION, and should not be stated as a fact.

[jpgray]

43. Goes to show I'm as susceptible as anyone else

I think what I took issue with was your saying Paul was basically a drone in the Beatles whose place could have been filled by a talented session musician or somesuch. Usually when we encounter a statement like that which is so counter to what we ourselves think, it seems obvious that ours must be somehow an "empirical" opinion. We just need to explain, and people will change their minds. :D Total crap of course. The urge is so strong that I still like to think my lapse comes closer to viability (though it isn't at all viable) just because I can't imagine anyone listening to a great McCartney track and then a great Hollies or Pretty Things or Merry-Go-Round song could fail to declare McCartney as the most talented of the group. But yeah, I did do essentially the same thing.

[Tyler Durden]

45. 's casual.

I'm trying very hard to ease my preachy-ass tendancies lately. IN MY OPINION McCartney did some interesting things, but IN MY OPINION he got a little repetitious and formulaic: HIS OWN formula, but IN MY OPINION anything can get old if it sounds too similar.

I DO wish he'd lose the cutesy hang-dog look he's had on his publicity and posters for the last eternity. Makes him a little hard to take seriously. That Free Concert poster IN MY OPINION was an example of this.

Who's "Merry go Round"?

[mulsh]

22. I saw her in concert at the SF Warfield

in the late 80's. One of the finest shows I've ever attended, No visible security, she sat on the stage reminised, accepted gifts from audience members, sang a bunch of her songs. Her back up band was comprised of some of the session guys they used on their albums. I always liked her stuff but I must say hearing it in person is very different than listening to the recordings. Her voice and range are stunning. she didn't suck that night.

her shit shaped cookies are both funny and tasty.

[Lindsey]

30. I know that the term soul-mate gets tossed around a lot but if ever two

were those two were and the same with Paul and Linda.

[last_texas_dem]

31. I think the hatred comes from

the idea that she was the reason the Beatles broke up, which I think isn't entirely true or entirely false, either. She was definitely part of the reason when you consider that her appearance in John's life caused him to lose much of his interest in the group. Also, he was so close to her and never wanted to be apart from her, which led to things like her taking part (including offering unwanted criticism) in the Beatles' recording sessions from the "White Album" on, breaking an unofficial rule among the members that their wives/girlfriends weren't to take part in sessions. However, that's just one of those things that was going to happen it seems to me; John losing interest in the Beatles because he became more interested in Yoko can't really be considered her fault. And obviously there were other, more business-related reasons behind the Beatles' break-up as well.

As for Yoko, I have mixed feelings about her based on different things I know about her, but maybe I've just read too many Beatles biographies by authors who weren't too big on her!

[Tyler Durden]

33. Taste put forth as FACT, opinion put forth as TRUTH,

All you have to do is scan the thread.

Yoko Ono is respected by an AMAZING percentage of the rest of the world. That she is "dissed" a lot in this hemisphere (the northern part of it) is a demonstration of regional "taste" passed as FACT. I don't like Paul McCartney's work: that is MY OPINION, and if I frame it that way, I'm entitled to it. If I say his work is (insert polemic here) and anyone who doesn't believe as I do is wrong and stupid, then I am guilty of putting forth my OPINION as FACT; a logical fallacy.

I don't adore anyone's entire body of work, but Yoko Ono has done many admirable things in the world of art and social protest.

[last_texas_dem]

34. Is your post in response to mine?

If so, I feel like I make it pretty clear in my post the statements that are my opinions or impressions, and the facts I mention regarding her role in the Beatles' break-up are simply based on what I've read about the group.

(If your post isn't in response to mine and is just meant to be a general assessment of the thread, please disregard my response.)

[Tyler Durden]

38. General assessment. I'm agreeing with you.

no prob.

[jpgray]

36. How many people are listening to a Yoko Ono song right now? How many to a McCartney tune?

Doesn't prove Paul is better any more than Yoko being "respected" (interesting choice of words :P) by many has anything to do with proving that she deserves to be liked. That's the fallacy of rating artists merely by popular acceptance and respect, in an attempt to make one's own opinion appear somehow more grounded in fact. It's a cheat--tastes are tastes. Like what you like. Don't turn it into an imaginary factional struggle where you pretend the opinions of others are an attempt to oppress you and your personal, deeply-felt views on art and the world in general.

[Tyler Durden]

39. Then don't "piss" on the tastes of others.

"Her art sucks, her protests suck, her music sucks"

sounds like a polemic to me. As I said, I've had that made clear to me lately, and I'm trying to express my "tastes" as just that, MY tastes.

You don't have to subscribe to them, and you don't have to piss on them.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

42. What's With The Paul McCartney Should Die Rant In This Thread....

Should people posting on this board "die" because their prose isn't as good as it was forty years ago...

Yoko's ok if you like that kind of music...

As for her breaking up the Beatles it was inevitable...

[Tyler Durden]

46. "Paul McCartney Should Die Rant"???? Didn't see it.

Could be someone I had on ignore though.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

48. delete

[DemocratSinceBirth]

49. delete

[DemocratSinceBirth]

50. delete

[DemocratSinceBirth]

51. Being An Artist Is Tough

Most of them hit a wall...

Was it Harper Lee who said every aothor only has won truly great book...

[ronnykmarshall]

44. I loved that interview

I've always liked Yoko.